Is this the same for a 2011 CATA engine?

 

ELSAWIN says you can use extraction on 2011 TDI Touareg.

 

Yes, CATA engine was used in North American Market from 2009 to 2012.

 

If this is the case then ELSAWIN contradicts the VW Self Study program which specifically states not to use oil extraction on the 3.0 TDI. The V10 SSP specifically states oil extraction is the way to do it.

A few contradictions in the materials out there it seems so I don't think the answer is clear cut.

I'm not sure what the updated info is for the '13+ engine, which has a number of changes vs. the 09-12 CATA engine.

 

If this is the case then ELSAWIN contradicts the VW Self Study program which specifically states not to use oil extraction on the 3.0 TDI. The V10 SSP specifically states oil extraction is the way to do it.

A few contradictions in the materials out there it seems so I don't think the answer is clear cut.

I'm not sure what the updated info is for the '13+ engine, which has a number of changes vs. the 09-12 CATA engine.

There is no contradiction. The self study guide you are referring to is an AUDI self study guide for the 3.0 engine on a Q7 and ELSAWIN says the same thing; not to use extraction on that engine. I remember when you posted it. Here is a link to the self study program, page 37.

http://www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_361.pdf

 

Easy solution...

On your first oil change, extract the oil and then pull the drain plug. There will be a little bit of oil left over, measure how much.

Now you can decide if extraction is worth saving the little bit of work, and the chance to inspect the underside of the car.

 

I extract it usually, but every 3 time drain it and flush the engine with some liquid. Draining is overall better, but not recommended often because you can easily damage the draining plug..

 

VW recommends that you replace the oil drain plug and washer every time you drain the oil. There have some been posts on club touareg about the aluminum oil pan threads being stripped when you over torque the oil plug. That is one advantage to extracting; you will not have to replace the plug or chance stripping the oil pan threads.

 

I have also watched any number of times, the local VW dealer do an almost 9 L (2.4 GALLON) drain. Man that HOT fluid literally comes FLOODING out and even with the so called proper draining devices it is almost always a small to a BIG mess. Now the dealership I have gone to takes GREAT pains to clean up the mess they may have made on the car, it is easy to see it can be an even greater DIY mess as most folks do not have that HUGE drain receptacle in a home situation.

 

Wonder if these guys have a drain plug solution. I almost stripped the plug on my last oil change because the VW tech tard used the wrong washer and it had been leaking for 10k miles. No sign of a leak because the sound deadening panel soaked up all the leaking oil.

FUMOTO ENGINEERING

 

Wonder if these guys have a drain plug solution. I almost stripped the plug on my last oil change because the VW tech tard used the wrong washer and it had been leaking for 10k miles. No sign of a leak because the sound deadening panel soaked up all the leaking oil.

FUMOTO ENGINEERING

I have had one of these valves for about 18 months.
They make oil changes a snap without a mess.

regards
Drag

 

I drain my oil via sump plug. After 10 minutes or so I pour about a liter of fresh oil via the oil filler cap. I let that drain for another few minutes.

I then put the sump bolt back and fill up.

1000km down the road my oil is still golden.

Clean oil in a TDi is cheap insurance. I would never do extraction on my cars.

NB : water settles on the bottom of the pan so if extraction leaves 200ml of fluid in there it could be water or antifreeze.

 

You run your oil temp at over 210F, so the moisture in your oil turns to steam, a gas, and vents out into the atmosphere, leaving your oil moisture free, and dry.

 

I took a look at my 2013 TDI motor, and it's been changed drastically from the previous CATA motor.

Air intake manifold is now plastic, not aluminum. Really, really, really bad cost savings move VW, when that cracks and creates intake manifold leaks, and it will, eventually.

Oil filter is half the size of my 2012. Access to it is a breeze now, versus the previous version. Doubt it has the tab that caused a few motor failures that the CATA has.

HPFP is mounted in a totally sh*tty location, right next to the turbocharger on the firewall side of the motor.

Getting at the belt to change it will be pure hell.

A HPFP failure will most likely be pure hell and back breaking to get at also, to verify that there is debris in the fuel pressure sensor.

VW did a better job with the wiring harness, much less spaghetti center on this version than on the CATA motor.

 

I took a look at my 2013 TDI motor, and it's been changed drastically from the previous CATA motor.

Air intake manifold is now plastic, not aluminum. Really, really, really bad cost savings move VW, when that cracks and creates intake manifold leaks, and it will, eventually.

Oil filter is half the size of my 2012. Access to it is a breeze now, versus the previous version. Doubt it has the tab that caused a few motor failures that the CATA has.

HPFP is mounted in a totally sh*tty location, right next to the turbocharger on the firewall side of the motor.

Getting at the belt to change it will be pure hell.

A HPFP failure will most likely be pure hell and back breaking to get at also, to verify that there is debris in the fuel pressure sensor.

VW did a better job with the wiring harness, much less spaghetti center on this version than on the CATA motor.

When you say tab, are you talking about the little tube that drops down from the oil filter into the oil filter housing.

 

I drain via the sump plug. After the oil had=s drained I pour 500ml-1000ml of clean oil in the filler and let that run straight through.

Only then do I replace the sump plug and fill with oil.

See my thread here
Clean Diesel Engine oil - Shell Helix HX7-AV - 4x4 Community Forum

This is 807km after oil change. How can clean oil be a bad thing. Extraction method leaves a lot of old (acidic) oil in your engine.

 

I drain via the sump plug. After the oil had=s drained I pour 500ml-1000ml of clean oil in the filler and let that run straight through.

Only then do I replace the sump plug and fill with oil.

See my thread here
Clean Diesel Engine oil - Shell Helix HX7-AV - 4x4 Community Forum

This is 807km after oil change. How can clean oil be a bad thing. Extraction method leaves a lot of old (acidic) oil in your engine.

That's pretty impressive!

TonyB

 

I do not understand the reason why you would extract? It's simple enough to drain. I prefer this method! That way I can replace drain plug seal (which is a bad design to start with) and check for leaks. I typically heat the oil up, let it rest for about 30 mins. Loosen up the filter housing and release lower seal on filter, then drain in one shot. Replace drain plug seal, remove filter and seal making sure to lubricate it. Add some oil in the filter housing, and fill the with oil. Like I said, I see no point in extraction method, I think it takes longer and your miss important steps with this method. I am changing oil today and if I did extraction method I would have missed that my drain plug was dripping! A top TDI mechanic in Golden CO agrees with my method and states extraction is for lazy people! I agree!! Not that big of a deal to remove lower skid plates. Takes around 3-4 minutes Tops! I also do not like extraction because your working against gravity and possibly pulling contaminants upwards instead of using gravity to drop it down while oil is warm-to-hot thus suspending contaminates if any. It drains all oil in less than 3 minutes. This way I know all old oil is basically out and new filter will take care of the minute leftovers.

 

I prefered drain method too until first time in touareg. Someone had ruined the drain plug threads so it's a pain to seal it now. Now i have to do it with extraction. Seems to get the old oil pretty well out actually.

 

fumoto works for me, i put a 10mm hose straight into an old oil container (s) cap it and take to the recycle centre.

 

I realize you can do both but I do not like pulling oil out the top. You bring all that oil up through the motor instead of dropping it through the pan instead. I also have a screwed up drain plug but still do this method.

 

I'm about to change the oil for the first time myself on the wife's 2011 Touareg TDI. Heard about the discussion re. extraction vs. draining and pretty much found the same info that has been reported here. However, quite honestly, I don't get the argument. Maybe I'm just not in a rush, but with all my vehicles; six Audi quattro turbo's and the TDI right now...I ALWAYS do both. I use the extraction to get the bulk of the HOT MESSY oil out of the engine, then hit the floor and pull the drain plug and change the filter. Less volume to deal with underneath, and it gets it all out. Have had only one drain plug thread issue on 15 cars over 40+ years. Had not even thought about pouring some clean oil down through, but would certainly incrementally improve things by flushing a little bit more out. I let it drain for quite some time after removing the plug, though...until I get fed up waiting on the dripping.

And when you extract, the oil is not contacting the upper engine...it comes up from the bottom to where it drains and then up through the tube. It's also a whole lot easier to pump the dirty oil out of the extractor to some old containers for recycling, than to pour it from a big drain pan.

 

Interesting on pro's and con's of extracting verses remove oil plug and drain! If one chooses to use the extraction method (I for one do, due to the lack of needing to drop the plastic under cover, the messy catching etc.) then one must be sure to get to the bottom of the pan (not actually that difficult) . It's cleaner,and easier for us with no need to replace plug washers, and potential over/under tightening of plug issues. so..... I say each to his own . Drain it well, refresh your TDI Touareg with proper oil/and filter.. and motor on