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Touareg named after terrorist group?

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#1 ·
When the treg was named it was named after a peacful but strong african tribe, touareg. Now they are a terrorist group. So VW names their cars after future terrorist groups?
 
#3 ·
Interesting reading here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuareg_rebellion_(2012)

The Tuareg's just wanted northern independence, then the Islamists came in riding on the Tuaregs' coattails and ousted the Tuaregs after the Tuaregs already did the hard work of ousting the Malian government from the north.

Beyond that, it appears that the Tuaregs had a documented history of uprisings, so VW knew what they were getting into with this name :)

my analysis: Tuareg=nomadic free thinkers that want independence from the status quo=same thing as anyone who bought their Touareg because it's an amazing nomadic(read: offroad and fuel sipping) vehicle but independent of the more expensive sister labels of Audi/Porsche
 
#5 ·
I heard George Galloway once said in a Sky news interview, "one man's terrorist is an other man's freedom fighter." I believe the context of that statement was to show how biased some media outlets really are, and it's up to us, to listen up to both sides of the story before coming up with absurd and unrealistic conclusions.



 
#8 ·
The sad thing is, there are international stations that are being quietly cut off the satellite feeds, because their reporting doesn't comply with what the "norm" is dictated to be. Freedom of speech hip hip hurray???
I won't list the stations, but I'll leave it for others with a decent amount of intelligence to figure it out.

The saddest part is, there are enough people who actually believe, that they are listening to all ends of the spectrum and both sides of the story, because they listen to a whopping, and I repeat whopping, 2-3 different TV stations, without them realizing, that they are under the same umbrella.

Not to put myself on a pedestal here, but I do listen to approx. 6-7 different stations, located in different countries in the world. I listen to our Canadian, to our partners in the south, Russian, Latin America, Middle East, Greek, and a couple of others on occasion.

You would be appalled at the inconsistencies that are being reported. I would like to think my IQ is high enough to decipher who are the liars
and who speak the truth, depending of course, on the given case scenario.



 
#9 ·
noobytoogy said:
Not bloody likely.

You attack my country's way of life and you can either **** off back to where you came from or you die. End of.
LOL!
My my, aren't we on edge today :) although I do concur with you ol' chap.

Ok, perhaps my interpretation of that statement and interview for that matter, was being too subtle and nice, although I still do believe that somewhere in there, was a hidden metaphor.



 
#10 ·
George Galloway was a great buddy of Gaddafi's and is a complete and utter ****.
 
#11 ·
noobytoogy said:
George Galloway was a great buddy of Gaddafi's and is a complete and utter ****.
You should call in on his show, and ask him live on air then?

I don't side with him on many issues, but I do keep it real on this topic here.

I do know this much, to keep the level of hypocrisy in check amongst many. Your present Prime Minister, and even the President below us here, and many others, are buddies with Saudi Arabia, who are in fact, dictators by every sense of the word. Why are they not being scrutinized??? It's amazing what money and petrol buys. Qatar falls in the same breath as well. Petrol companies masquerading as countries with a name.

I'm being as subtle here as I can here for the obvious of reasons. If one chooses to not see this, so be it.

As for the title of this thread, all I can say is, watch a couple more stations from around the world, and hopefully, your God given intelligence will allow you to see what is truth and what is not. Watching solely the BBC, CBS, CNN will keep you forever caged in like an animal. Intellectually anyways.



 
#12 ·
You don't think any of us believe the BBC spin do you?

They're a bunch of fecking lefties.

Who are CBS and CNN anyway? Never heard of them!

If you've been taken in by Galloway, there's no hope for you. The man is a **** AND a crackpot!
 
#14 ·
You don't think any of us believe the BBC spin do you?

They're a bunch of fecking lefties.
Lefties or not the BBC usually is correct in whatever they are reporting - I'm a huge fan.
Not bloody likely.

You attack my country's way of life and you can either **** off back to where you came from or you die. End of.
You got that right! live and let live. Violence accomplishes nothing. Don't get pissed when you attack someone with violence and then the world starves you of food, medicine, technology, and then kills you.
 
#16 ·
#15 ·
Funny how people don't realize how much the news, and television affects on their rational thinking.. Its like having a small man on your shoulder whispering to you, and making you believe in things you wouldn't ever..
 
#19 ·
Precisely why I have banned television subscription from the house, and particularly the kids with their young minds that are like a sponge. Of course I do keep the internet active, otherwise I wouldn't be here ;), and a firm believer of it, in its present state. Let's hope and pray that it does stay this way. That said on television, I'll reward the kids with their choice programming like Transformers cartoons, etc, which on occasion, I'll watch too :wave:, if they do well at school, and proper behaviour at home.

It's amazing how clear ones mind becomes, when you haven't watched any TV in say over a year. Only when one does this, and goes back to re-visit it, will one see the true contrast(pardon the pun) of all the trash that is subliminally fed to us through commercials, and don't even get me started on reality TV. Is it any wonder that in todays modern society, more and more young people are depending on anti depressive drugs due to depression, confusion, complex issues, etc...

Lefties or not the BBC usually is correct in whatever they are reporting - I'm a huge fan.


You got that right! live and let live. Violence accomplishes nothing. Don't get pissed when you attack someone with violence and then the world starves you of food, medicine, technology, and then kills you.
Concerning the BBC, hate to say it Nick, but unless you are referring to their reporting of say a jet crash, a bank robbery, an earthquake disaster, etc, yes they do report those accurately. However on issues on European Union integration, Syria conflict, Iran story, Mediterranean economic issues, etc, they are ever so gradually becoming one sided. It is very clear that they are, when you compare notes with other reputable news feeds from around the globe. I too used to like them, even going back to the Kosovo conflict back in the 90's, they got it right for the most part. They seemed to report things, that they did not even report here on this side of the pond, and I respected that big time. This does not seem to be the case anymore. In fact, now I see zero difference amongst all the major networks and players, which I find extremely disturbing. In fact, they are all so similar and indistinguishable from one other on nearly all issues in the world, as the old adage goes, you can't even put a cigarette paper between them. Hmmmm, sounds like our political parties too doesn't it? ;)

I mean, I put it to you. Who is a real reporter? One that reports based on real time observations at the scene, without the need of some upper management suits in a network, editing out what they observed? Or a reporter who is merely a spokesperson and reading off what has basically now become a rendered script?

The CBC is fine on occasion, only because Peter Mansbridge is a bright enough fellow to know the ins and outs of the industry. He is no fool, but lets be realistic here, he is not the boss of the network, which must abide by certian protocols. Look closely at his expression, and you know full well that he is not happy at what he must report at times.

I do like his interviews(like with Harper). He knows where to tread with his questions, without breaking the rules of the network, whilst keeping things real ;)


.... Don't get pissed when you attack someone with violence and then the world starves you of food, medicine, technology, and then kills you.
I thought long and hard on this one, but can't conclude which country you are referring to? Is it N.Korea, Iran...?
 
#21 ·
volkswagendude,

Just have looked through the thread. I am taking a bow.

For your opponent: Britain have invaded 90% of the world, of nearly 200 countries worldwide! Protecting lifestyle, perhaps...
90% maybe a bit high but I'm up for picking on the bloody Germans again!

Just fettling the Merlins on the old Lancaster and the bomb doors are working perfectly now . . .

Lancaster Bomber Flights - Bing Videos
 
#28 ·
My wife is cuban and although she can fly from the US to Cuba legally, due to her having moved here at age 17....it costs a ridiculous amount of money.

And since we are on the subject of having an embargo with Cuba because they are communist and ruled by a dictator...lets all not look at where half the crap in this country is made...because god forbid we trade with some commie bastards...


Oh...wait.....:confused:

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#29 ·
I tell you guys, how I was treated last time in USA. True story happened more then 6 years ago. I can not recall exactly now but I think it was Atlanta airport. I was waiting my turn in a queue at the gate. Upon checking my boarding pass an Airport worker requested me to show my passport and then to stand apart. They wiped all my hand luggage personal belongings including Mattel toy package (I had already passed security checks by that time) with tissues and inserted samples into an explosive detection express machine slot. Can you imagine how I was feeling myself when more then three hundreds pairs of eyes suspiciously looked altogether at me? It was so disgraceful. I have a pure Nordic appearance (green eyed tall blond), normally dressed and do not looks like men hiding in caves. Just because I am a Russian citizen = potential terrorist. I haven’t ever seen Americans had been scrutinized in the same way in Russia.
 
#49 ·
I tell you guys, how I was treated last time in USA. True story happened more then 6 years ago. I can not recall exactly now but I think it was Atlanta airport. I was waiting my turn in a queue at the gate. Upon checking my boarding pass an Airport worker requested me to show my passport and then to stand apart. They wiped all my hand luggage personal belongings including Mattel toy package (I had already passed security checks by that time) with tissues and inserted samples into an explosive detection express machine slot. Can you imagine how I was feeling myself when more then three hundreds pairs of eyes suspiciously looked altogether at me? It was so disgraceful. I have a pure Nordic appearance (green eyed tall blond), normally dressed and do not looks like men hiding in caves. Just because I am a Russian citizen = potential terrorist. I haven’t ever seen Americans had been scrutinized in the same way in Russia.
Americans may not be but millions of other "non blue eye/blonds" are subjected to a constant discrimination on a daily basis ;)
 
#31 ·
The Uranium Conspiracy In Mali



Back to the OP, let's bring this back on topic and back on track.

Written by Moeen Raoof:

The Tuaregs living in Northern Mali, Northern Niger, Southern Algeria and southern Libya are a Nomadic Pastoral People with no ambitions for statehood, only recognition of their particular culture and freedom to travel without hindrance in the Saharan Region.

The conflict in Libya has had a devastating effect in Niger and Mali where the nomadic Tuareg peoples in the Sahara Desert regions of northern Niger and Mali and southern Libya have been involved in a spate of kidnappings and armed uprisings known as the ‘Tuareg rebellion’. This is especially dangerous for northern Niger in and around the town of Arlit, an industrial town located in the Agadez region, where uranium is mined by French companies in two large uranium mines (Arlit and Akouta).

Arlit was the subject of the Niger uranium forgeries when President George W. Bush, in the build-up to the (illegal) Iraq war, in his 2003 State of the Union address stated, ‘The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa,’ when it was alleged that Saddam Hussein had attempted to purchase ‘yellowcake’ uranium powder from Niger during the Iraq disarmament crisis. These 16 words and the intelligence in this regard were later found to be baseless and rubbished by US intelligence agencies, albeit too late for innocent Iraqis who lost their lives over a lie during the war years.

Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who travelled to Niger to investigate the Iraq/yellowcake plot, concluded that it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place, thus clearing Saddam Hussein of any re-starting of Iraq’s WMD (weapons of mass destruction) programme. Ambassador Wilson was punished for this by the outing of his wife, Valerie Plame, as a CIA agent, allegedly by an official working in then vice-president Dick Cheney’s Oofice in the White House, which was also the plot of the movie ‘Fair Game’ released in 2010.

Put simply, this is about Uranium to be found in the Tuareg areas of Mali, Niger and Libya, the next step will be UN/ECOWAS/NATO Peace-keepers, Military intervention and killing of thousands of Tuaregs.

Moeen Raoof is a Humanitarian & Emergency Aid Consultant and Conflict Analyst. He undertook an investigation of the Bush Yellowcake/Iraq claim prior to the Iraq invasion by traveling to Niger at the same time as Ambassador Wilson’s Mission. ,
 
#32 ·
A Historical Perspective on the Tuareg People

Currently the ongoing situation in Mali is gaining traction in the media with the reporting of Al Qaeda members within the ranks of the Tuareg rebels.

The situation in quite complicated and involves not only France, but also the US and partially Canada and links to the interests of these Western powers with not just Mali, but with the African continent as a whole.

However, in order to get a better handle on the situation, there must first be an understanding of the domestic actors, namely the Tuareg people.


Written by Devon DB:

The Tuareg People

The Tuareg are a people that have lived in northern Mali “as early as the fifth century BCE” according to Herodotus. After establishing the city of Timbuktu in the 11th century, the Tuareg “traded, traveled, and conquered throughout Saharan” over the next four centuries, eventually converting to Islam in the 14th century, which allowed them to “gain great wealth trading salt, gold, and black slaves.” This independence was swept away when the French colonized Mali when they “defeated the Tuareg at Timbuktu and established borders and administrative districts to rule the area until Mali declared independence in 1960.” The Tuareg people have consistently wanted self-independence and in pursuit of such goals have engaged in a number of rebellions.

The first was in 1916 when, in response to the French not giving the Tuareg their own autonomous zone (called Azawad) as was promised, they revolted. The French violently quelled the revolt and “subsequently confiscated important grazing lands while using Tuaregs as forced conscripts and labor – and fragmented Tuareg societies through the drawing of arbitrary boundaries between Soudan [Mali] and its neighbors.”

Yet, this did not end the Tuareg goal of an independent, sovereign state. Once the French had ceded Mali independence, the Tuareg began to push toward their dream of establishing Azawad once again with “several prominent Tuareg leaders [lobbying] for a separate Tuareg homeland consisting of northern Mali and parts of modern day Algeria, Niger, Mauritania. […] [However,] black politicians like Modibo Keita, Mali’s first President, made it clear that independent Mali would not cede its northern territories.”

The First Tuareg Rebellion

In the 1960s, while the independence movements in Africa were ongoing, the Tuareg once again vied for their own autonomy, known as the Afellaga rebellion. The Tuareg were greatly oppressed by the government of Modibo Keita, which came into power after the French had left, as they “were singled out for particular discrimination, and were more neglected than others in the distribution of state benefits,” which may have been due to the fact that “most of the senior leadership of post-colonial Mali were drawn from the southern ethnic groups who were not sympathetic to the pastoral culture of the northern desert nomads.”

In addition to this, the Tuareg felt that the government’s policy of ‘modernization’ was in reality an attack on the Tuareg themselves as the Keita government enacted policies such as “land reform that threatened [the Tuareg’s] privileged access to agricultural products.” Specifically, Keita “had moved increasingly in the direction of [establishing a version of] the Soviet collective farm and had created state corporations to monopolize the purchase of basic crops.”

In addition to this, Keita left customary land rights unchanged “except when the state needed land for industry or transport. Then the Minister of Rural Economy issued a decree of acquisition and registration in the name of the state, but only after publication of notice and a hearing to determine customary claims.” Unfortunately for the Tuareg, this unchanging of customary land rights did not apply to the subsoil that was on their land. Instead, this subsoil was turned into a state monopoly due to Keita’s desire to ensure that no one became a capitalist based on the discovery of subsoil resources.

This had a major negative impact on the Tuareg as they had a pastoral culture and the subsoil helps to “determine what kind of crops can be grown in any area and, therefore, what livestock can be raised.” Thus, by creating a state monopoly on subsoil, the Keita government was effectively in control of what the Tuareg would be able to grow and therefore in control of their very lives.

This oppression eventually boiled over and became the first Tuareg rebellion, which began with small hit-and-run attacks on government forces. However, it was quickly crushed due to the Tuareg lacking “a unified leadership, a well-coordinated strategy or clear evidence of a coherent strategic vision.” In addition to this, the rebels were unable to mobilize the entire Tuareg community.

The Malian military, well-motivated and [well-equipped] with new Soviet weapons, conducted vigorous counterinsurgency operations. By the end of 1964, the government’s strong arm methods had crushed the rebellion. It then placed the Tuareg-populated northern regions under a repressive military administration.

Yet while the Malian military may have won the battle, they failed to win the war as their heavy-handed tactics only alienated Tuareg who didn’t support the insurgency and not only did the government fail to follow through on promises to improve the local infrastructure and increase economic opportunity. To avoid the military occupation of their communities and also due to massive drought in the 1980s, many Tuareg fled to nearby countries such as Algeria, Mauritania, and Libya. Thus, the grievances of the Tuareg went unaddressed, only creating a situation in which a rebellion would once again occur.

The Second Tuareg Rebellion

The raging inferno that was the spirit of independence of the Tuareg people once again came back to life in 1990. It must be noted that Tuareg had greatly changed since the 1960s and moved from a socialist government to a military dictatorship that (due to massive pressure from the people) quickly changed to a transitional government with military and civilian leaders, finally fully becoming democratic in 1992.

While Mali was transitioning to a democracy, the Tuareg people were still suffering under the boot of oppression. Three decades after the first rebellion, the occupation of Tuareg communities still had not ended and “resentment fueled by the harsh repression, continued dissatisfaction with government policies, and perceived exclusion from political power led various Tuareg and Arab groups to begin a second rebellion against the Malian government.” The second rebellion was sparked due to “attacks on non-Tuareg Malians [at] the southernmost edge of the Tuareg regions [which led to] skirmishes between the Malian army and Tuareg rebels.”

Yet it did not last long as the first major step to peace was made in 1991 by the transitional government and resulted in the Tamanrasset Accords, which was negotiated in Algeria between the military government of Lt. Colonel Amadou Toumani Touré (that had taken power in a coup on March 26, 1991) and the two major Tuareg factions, The Azaouad Popular Movement and the Arabic Islamic Front of Azawad, on January 6, 1991. In the Accords, the Malian military agreed to “disengage from the running of the civil administration and will proceed to the suppression of certain military posts,” “avoid zones of pasture land and densely populated zones,” to be “confined to their role of defense of the integrity of the territory at the frontiers,” and created a ceasefire between the two main Tuareg factions and the government.

However, not all of the Tuareg factions signed onto the Accords as many rebel groups demanded “among other concessions, the removal of current administrators in the north and their replacement with local representatives.” The Accords represented a political compromise in which more autonomy was granted to Tuareg communities and local and regional councils made up of local representatives were established, yet the Tuareg still remained a part of Mali. Thus, the Accords were not the end all be all of the situation as tensions remained between the Tuareg and the Malian government.

The transitionary government of Mali attempted to negotiate with the Tuareg. This culminated in the April 1992 National Pact between the Malian government and several Tuareg factions. The National Pact allowed for “integration of Tuareg combatants into the Malian armed forces, demilitarization of the north, economic integration of northern populations, and a more detailed special administrative structure for the three northern regions.” After Alpha Konaré was elected president of Mali in 1992, he furthered the process of Tuareg autonomy by not only honoring the concessions made in the National Pact but by removing the structure of federal and regional governments and allowing authority to take hold at the local level. Yet, decentralization had a greater political purpose, as it “effectively co-opted the Tuareg by allowing them a degree of autonomy and the benefits of remaining in the Republic.”

However, this attempt to deal with the Tuareg did not hold as the National Pact only renewed debate about the unique status of Tuareg people and some rebel groups, such as the Arabic Islamic Front of Azawad, did not attend the National Pact talks and the violence continued, eventually resulting in the deaths of 6,000-8,000 people before an peace agreement was signed by all factions.

It must be noted that the introduction the Arabic Islamic Front of Azawad to the Tuareg rebellion is also the introduction of radical Islam to the Tuareg fight for independence. The emergence of radical Islam was greatly aided by the Gaddafi regime. During the 1970s many Tuareg had fled to Libya and other countries, mainly for economic opportunity. Once there, Gaddafi “welcomed them with open arms. He gave them food and shelter. He called them brothers. He also started training them as soldiers.” [21] Gaddafi then used these soldiers to found the Islamic Legion in 1972. The goal of the Legion was to “further [Gaddafi’s own] territorial ambitions in the African interior and advance the cause of Arab supremacy.” The Legion was sent to fight the in Niger, Mali, Palestine, Lebanon, and Afghanistan. However, the Legion came to an end due to the price of oil declining in 1985, which meant that Gaddafi could no longer afford to recruit and train fighters. Coupled with the Legion’s crushing defeat in Chad, the organization was disbanded which left many Tuareg going back to their homes in Mali with large amounts of combat experience. The role of Libya played a role not only in the third Tuareg rebellion, but also in the current, ongoing fighting.

The Third Tuareg Rebellion

The third rebellion was not so much a rebellion, but rather an insurgency that kidnapped and killed members of the Malian military.

The insurgency began in May 2006, when “a group of Tuareg army deserters attacked military barracks in Kidal region, seizing weapons and demanding greater autonomy and development assistance.” The former general Amadou Toumani Toure had won presidential elections in 2002 and reacted to the violence by working with a rebel coalition known as the Democratic Alliance for Change to establish a peace agreement that solely restated that Malian government’s commitment to improving the economy in the northern areas where the rebels lived. However, many rebels such as Ibrahim Ag Bahanga, who was killed just last year, refused to abide by the peace treaty and continued to terrorize the Malian military until the government of Mali deployed a large offensive force to eliminate the insurgency.

Yet, the fight for Tuareg independence remains and leads us into the current, ongoing rebellion.



 
#33 ·
When it comes to unfamiliar, far-off places, we trust our mainstream media to tell us what is going on with interminable conflicts raging through much of the world, and why—and most media trust Western governments’ explanations.

Thus, we learn that France (with the United States in the wings) intervened in the bloody upheavals besetting the West African country of Mali in order to help the government battle a threat as ubiquitous and expected as the old Red Menace: Al Qaeda.

But, as is usually true, things are not so simple. In fact, coming to grips with the searing civil war and foreign crisis du jour requires wading through multiple layers of tangled relationships—which threaten to turn the conflict into a yet another protracted, foreign-assisted internecine conflict.



Amid cinematic gun battles claiming the lives of dozens of Western hostages at a gas field in neighboring Algeria, the world may be finally waking up to the complexity of the Malian crisis. Yet many of those who have studied the region in depth saw it coming. “This has for a very long time been an accident waiting to happen,” says Professor David Anderson, an expert of African politics at St Cross College, the University of Oxford.

And no wonder. Because, as always seems to be the case, these benighted and barren provinces sit atop some rather spectacular wealth.

But we are getting ahead of ourselves.

West Side Story

The current conflict long predates (and ultimately will transcend) the recent-vintage Al Qaeda and all of its amorphous and poorly-defined franchise operations.

For decades now, the Tuaregs—a native Berber tribe whose members are spread across the vast expanse of the Sahara desert—have launched periodic rebellions to gain independence from Mali, Niger, Algeria and other countries in the region, whose territories incorporate lands the Tuaregs claim as their own.

The current crisis may be said to have its roots in another Western intervention, when France, the United States and allies—notably including Islamists with Al Qaeda ties—invaded Mali’s northern neighbor, Libya, under pretenses of protecting a domestic uprising and vanquished the quasi-socialist leader there, Muammar Qaddafi, who had, among other things angered Western financial and business interests. (For more on that poorly understood story, see WhoWhatWhy’s reports, here and here.)

Malian Tuaregs, reinforced by a large contingent of their well-trained and heavily armed non-AlQaedite brethren—who had escaped from Libya after their benefactor, Qaddafi, was routed in 2011–captured the entire northern part of the country early last year.

On April 6, 2012, the Tuaregs in the north declared independence for their territory—which is larger than the state of Texas. By early June, however, clashes had broken out between the secular Tuareg movement (its main representative being the National Movement for the Liberation of Azawa, or MNLA) and Islamists, some of whom are allied with an AQ variant that calls itself Al Qaeda in the Maghreb. The MNLA was pushed out of the main cities, and the Islamists took over the fight against the government.

But wait: things are still more complicated.

Each side consists of many different factions, and many splinter groups add to the complexity. According to some reports, for example, the attack on the Algerian gas field, which ostensibly took place in revenge for the French intervention in Mali, was in fact part of a power struggle between two large Islamist factions, led by Mokhtar Belmokhtar and Abelmalek Droukdel. The Islamist banner is considered by some nothing more than a “legitimate” overlay on a sprawling criminal network that ran kidnap, protection and tobacco smuggling rackets. This mano-a-mano spills over both sides of the border.

More Arcana, Then the Proverbial Pot ‘o Gold

In any case, the president of Mali, Amadou Toumani Toure, was deposed in March 2012 by the Malian military—ostensibly as a result of his incompetent response to the Tuareg rebellion—an act that seems to have rent a dense web of local and regional relationships. To add a hint of tantalizing but obscure spice, several independent sources suggest that it was actually Toure, with regional and Western acquiescence, who had invited the radical Islamists to use the north as a base.

Consider, for example, the following report from the ground by May Ying Welsh, al-Jazeera’s correspondent:

Al-Qaeda has based itself in northern Mali for 10 years, as part of an alleged secret agreement with Amadou Toumani Toure (ATT), the president of Mali who was deposed in a military coup in March 2012 as northern cities were falling to Tuareg rebels…. While ATT relied increasingly on ethnic militias and special units to crush Tuareg insurgency, the Malian army was starved and demoralised, its hungry soldiers forced to sell their weapons to eat, to watch AQIM parade before their barracks, and planes filled with cocaine landing near their bases. The system was rotten. Could they be blamed for overthrowing it?

Here’s the good news: the explanation for this behavior is simple.

If the Tuaregs in Mali’s north were to achieve independence, this would destabilize all neighboring countries that harbor significant Berber populations. The desert areas inhabited by the nomadic tribes, moreover, contain some of the largest concentrations of valuable natural resources in the world—including gold, uranium, oil, gas, and various industrial metals. Mali alone is the third largest producer of gold in Africa—despite being also one of the poorest countries in the world. According to the United Nations Human Development Index, it ranks 175th of 187 countries, and the standard of living there is considerably below the average for sub-Saharan Africa.

Unlike the Tuaregs, most of the radical Islamists have little interest in independence—they fight largely for the establishment of sharia (Islamic law). For the most part, they are also ruthless against their rivals but avid trading partners—whether in the trade of hostages and cocaine (as has been the case in the region for the last several years) or in natural resources. Despite being a target of the post-9/11 War on Terror, they are often quietly preferred by members of the international community to the more secular local nomads.

It is a delicate balance. Neither the regional countries nor France can allow the Islamists to become too powerful, for fear that they would turn into a destabilizing factor themselves. Their push to take over southern Mali proved to be the last straw, leading to the current intervention.

According to Professor Anderson,

French concerns about wider regional stability are genuine, as are the worries of the Algerian government – who are a major target of some within Al Qaeda. France is the Western power with the strongest geo-political interests and financial investment here. The French have bases in Chad, to give but one example, and fear that instability in Algeria brings it too close to home. [Also they have] 6000 French citizens in Bamako [Mali] alone, [as well as significant] mining interests.

A “French Afghanistan”?

However, the situation could easily spin out of control and become a West African quagmire for France and the neighboring countries which are participating in the UN-sanctioned intervention. The Islamists have threatened to turn Mali into a “French Afghanistan,” and this appears to be more than an empty threat. Mali is almost twice the size of Afghanistan, and with its desert and mountainous terrain in the north, somewhat resembles its Asian counterpart. Central authority was never very well established in that part of the country, if at all.

Robert D. Kaplan, the noted foreign affairs analyst and correspondent, described in a recent Stratfor article his experiences in the region some years ago:

Here the Malian state did not exist. …These aren’t countries so much as city-states—Nouakchott, Bamako, Niamey, Ndjamena—with armies that try to keep some order in the far-flung, far less populated reaches. State armies never have ruled this desert; rather, they have maintained for much of the time a stable cease-fire with the Tuaregs there (often through integration of key Tuareg fighters into local military bases).

The mixture of rugged terrain, a vast expanse populated sparsely with nomadic tribes, and the presence of numerous militias with diverging agendas suggests that the war will be long, brutal and asymmetric.

Thus, when at the start of the operation the French government said that the military was going into Mali merely for several weeks, a colleague who specializes in Russia giggled. “This is exactly what the Russians said before they invaded Afghanistan,” he said. Mere days later, French Defense Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian announced that his country would continue to be involved in the conflict for “as long as necessary.”

And it all is redolent of foreign adventures past. According to a new report from a French-based human rights group, the “good guys,” i.e. the Malian army, may be carrying out summary executions and brutal abuses of civilians accused—often with no basis—of helping the rebels.

More recently, the MNLA—arguably the only indigenous force capable of taking on the Islamists—suggested through one of its leaders that it was willing to cooperate with the Western intervention forces.

It remains to be seen if a deal can be reached. It seems highly unlikely that the Malian government—or any of the international actors involved—would concede the MNLA’s demand for independence. On the other hand, the secular Tuaregs are reportedly afraid that, as has happened in the past, they will be the main victims of a war against Islamist terror. Given that both sides are under pressure, some sort of a compromise involving an increased autonomy in northern Mali may be possible.

By most accounts, a purely military solution imposed by foreign forces cannot hold. If the intervention forces hope to achieve their goal of stabilizing the country, they would need to negotiate with the Tuaregs and to address the deeper underlying issues. Unfortunately, so far there are few signs of that happening. And the deeper underlying issues do not play well with short-attentioned international audiences.

Oh, wait. Did we mention that there’s gold—and all kinds of amazing stuff, under the ground? Actually, when it comes to that subject, even a dauntingly complex stew like Afghanistan can seem very simple indeed.

Victor Kotsev



 
#36 ·
Volkswagendude/Mr. Victor Kotsev,
What this all historical pick-and-choose anabasis is all about? What are you trying to prove and to whom? This is the automotive forum of VW Touareg’s owners and enthusiasts. Perhaps it’s OK to throw a little politically-spiced joke here and there. But this was just overly too much… There is more than enough of this XXXX one can find on one’s own without being lectured. No offence, man, but please do us all a kind favor and relocate your truth-in-absolute proclamation attempts to some politically-oriented forum. Otherwise it feels that the CT starts to stink.
 
#41 ·
My point was to the OP, you can now feel better about the name of your vehicle.

Sorry if I offended anyone. ;)
No need to apologise - everyone is entitled to their view and people don't have to read what you write if they don't want to just as they don't have to change the timing belt on their V8 Touareg if it's more than 5 years old but still hasn't clocked up 80,000 miles even though it's advisable so to do!
 
#38 ·
#39 ·
dude,
I rarely have opportunity to watch RT channel. But what I want to say: I used to stay in one hotel in Singapore (3 times for the last couple of years) and it was real surprise for me when I checked-in first time there I spotted RT channel pre-set at a lobby hall wide screen TV. There were hundreds of channels available however RT was of the first choice. I don’t know who set this channel. The workers are Chinese, Filipino and Indian nationalities. Usually there are no Russian tourists or businessmen staying in this hotel. I in no way claim this channel promulgates 100% true and reliable information (mass medias inside Russia are censored and I suppose each regime in every country has its own propaganda machine). But far away from here somebody found RT interesting!
 
#124 ·
Yes, I agree, every single country that I know of does in fact, but some also have valid options to watch, as opposed to others having zero period due to trick censorship and editing practices.



Dude, speaking of RT channel, those Meteor vids were thumbs up stuff!
The one video in particular where you hear the thundering noise was :shock: :
Here it is:

and the latest full report here:
 
#40 ·
In Deffinition of terrorism you can't find anything related to ˝deffending your own teritory˝. Any living man who loves his contry will fight to deffend it or to take it back. Now in civilized world you can organise a referendum and take your contry back by democratic conditions. In Africa, non-civilized people will pay blood money for that. Since 90s we had war, and democratic referdums so we divided our big country Yugoslavia on 6 smaller ones.
 
#43 ·
I remember Margaret Trudeau well . . . especially the picture of her going commando!