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diesel vs gas prices in your area

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#1 ·
Just curious - here in the Twin Cities, diesel is running about $2.85/gal with a reported range of $2.79 - 3.09/gal. This current best available diesel pricing (cheapest reported gas price vs cheapest report diesel price) is at a "premium" above regular gas of about $0.27. Which, unfortunately, really negates the premium one pays to buy a TDI vs. a gas burner. Other oddity to me is that gas prices are falling while diesel is going up. A month ago diesel was on par with premium gas, about $.10 above regular gas. Driving across NE on I-80 over Christmas break, diesel prices were generally cheaper than here and much closer to premium gas or even regular gas.

Is that true in your home area as well? Is diesel generally more expensive than gas? I've heard that diesel is actaully less expensive to manufacture than gas, but it's the govvernments taxes that drive the cost up. Any truth to that?
 
#11 ·
Premium seems to jump around here where diesel seems to hold fairly steady although it tends to be more then premium.
That's been my experience here. I've only kept a slight watch on diesel prices for the past few years as my tractor (18hp J. Deere) is a diesel, but during the past year as I was looking and researching my purchase of a diesel car, I've been watching the prices much more closely. Gas prices around here seem to change almost daily (not as bad as it was, but still they change frequently). Diesel prices seem to follow suit, but at a much slower pace. At best I can find diesel for around the same as premium gas, but I've never seen it in the Twin Cites for the same price as regular gas.

Just as an FYI, if you have not seen or used this site, I find it a nice place to look for the best prices in my neighborhood: GasBuddy.com - Find Low Gas Prices in the USA and Canada
 
#3 ·
Pure unmitigated price gouging:mad: Diesel is LESS refined and costs LESS money to reach it's final sellable level of refinement. I'll see stations in the SoCal area charging up to $.40/gallon more than regular fuel, I never stop at those. A few miles away it will be $.05-$.10 less a gallon than regular. If there are any petroleum engineers here with more insight on why they do this, please chime in...
 
#4 ·
It's normal for diesel in the US to be more volatile/pricey than gas this time of year. Use of distillates for heating oil in the Northeast is a big part of that. Diesel also is taxed higher than gas (opposite of the situation in Europe). :confused:

Since taking delivery of my 2010 TDI, the diesel I've bought has ranged between midgrade and super unleaded in price. :)
 
#9 ·
As he says, diesel is basically heating oil and we use it like water in the northeast (and other parts of the country) to heat our houses. So diesel always goes up in the winter due to the demand for heating oil. It will come down again in the summer.

Also, if I recall correctly the US doesn't have as much diesel capacity as Europe.
 
#5 ·
Around here diesel pricing get set bi-weekly and gas pricing seems to be by the minute...sometimes that works out for the good, other times for the bad (ie: you win some you lose some). On average its on par with premium...
 
#6 ·
Here in Calgary, AB. Diesel is usually $0.10 cheaper than regular gas, sometimes up to $0.15 cheaper than regular gas. But at times, it can be at par with regular gas. I guess I am lucky to live in an oil producing province!

www.flyingj.com is where I fill up my tanker, as I find it is atleast $0.08 cheaper than retail fuel stations. I'm about 10km away from a truck stop, which also has car friendly pumps for gas, and diesel. Currently, it is $0.81/L for diesel / $3.05/Gal. In Canada, our fuel is taxed higher than in the US :(

Premium Gas is currently @ 1.029/L / $3.88/Gallon. So I'm still well ahead of the game driving my V10!
 
#10 ·
We've got the diesel, they export it to Europe to get the bigger bucks. It sells here at about mid-grade gas. Winter fuel is always a bit higher, they add for the anti-gel.
 
#16 ·
These 2 website might help you understand Diesel prices:

Gasoline and Diesel Fuel Update

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/...s/petroleum/data_publications/petroleum_marketing_monthly/current/pdf/enote.pdf

Diesel pays 6 cents of federal taxes vs gasoline.


This website will walk you through the refining process:
HowStuffWorks "How Oil Refining Works"

Oil refinery - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hope that helps. There is a lot that goes into refining of crude oil and all the easy oil has been drilled.
 
#17 ·
What the? I swear I posted here earlier...guess it didn't go through...

I was wondering if you all use only premium gas in your Touaregs? My mom's husband told me it was a waste, and that all gas is the same. ????

Well, I'm a girl, so I'll throw myself under the bus on this one.

Only premium as specified? What do you think?
 
#19 ·
What the? I swear I posted here earlier...guess it didn't go through...

I was wondering if you all use only premium gas in your Touaregs? My mom's husband told me it was a waste, and that all gas is the same. ????

Well, I'm a girl, so I'll throw myself under the bus on this one.

Only premium as specified? What do you think?
Princess, The reason why VW specifies Premium fuel only for your Touareg, is because it requires it to run at optimal efficiency. What happens is: Premium fuel will only ignite in the cylinders at the right time, that your engine is designed for, regular fuel may pre-ignite before it's supposed to, and could potentially damage your engine. The higher octane number is to prevent the pre-ignition. Seeing as you live in hot Florida, you should always use Premium fuel. If you lived in a colder climate, or climates where it can get below freezing, you should be able to safely use regular fuel without too much risk of pre-ignition... But in the end, it's only a few extra dollars per fill up using Premium, so why try and save $2-$4/fill up? It's not that significant. Higher octane has nothing to do with how much more burning power (BTU's) in the fuel, it's just a measure of how the fuel ignites. Your engine requires it, because it is a high compression engine, designed to provide more HP due to it's design, but requires high octane fuel for it to perform that way. The engine itself will automatically adjust it's timing (to a certain extent) to compensate for pre-ignition, but not if the fuel being burned is too far out of spec. Hope that helps!
 
#20 ·
There is a decal on your gas flap that explicitly states to use premium fuel ONLY. VW does not have any interest in fuel company revenue...they just want the vehicle to run as designed.
 
#21 ·
Resurrecting an old thread here, but was thinking about this recently as, wonder of wonders, diesel prices around the Twin Cities were actually lower than regular gas for several weeks and, after years of being waaay more expensive than even premium gas, it's rather refreshing to see prices comparable to what they were back when I started this thread almost 5 years ago.
 
#27 ·
I think it's an odd market twist that diesel is lower in Calif. substantially than gas, yet more on par in other areas like Mass. I was in Ca. at beginning of this month, I can agree, pricing there is out of control. I expect gas prices to reach down below $2 based upon crude within 60 days.
 
#29 ·
Lowest anywhere

There are three fuel stations on Interstate 30 right between Dallas and Ft. Worth that are competing for the diesel customers. It's been $2.02 since June and they just raised it to $2.04.

And yes, that's US Dollars and US gallons.

I snapped this while I was filling up. (Aug 21, 2105)
 

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#30 ·
$2.18 here in lower Alabama as compared to $2.29 for regular gas.