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siberian

 

like siberian said a lot of reviews and opinions on here...personally i have been through a number of pads on the touaregs i've owned over the years, my favorite is the stock pagid pads, the dust a lot but they stop better than anything else i've tried. If you find braking needs a lot of pressure its very unlikely that they are stock pads...

 

Oh oh..here we(I) go

Actually I have never given my review on the brake job I did a few months ago, laziness I suppose and also the fact that this forum is swamped with info anyways, so I figured no one would care to read a new brake thread review written me, but alas here is my official 0.02 cents in a few lines.

I dunno Nick, but comparing the OEM pad and rotors I had before, to the Hawk LTS I have on now, I'm definitely sold on the Hawks, and for life! General daily braking, performance wise, I see no difference between the two, if anything at all, and I mean barely noticeable, I may be getting better brake modulation under very hard braking with the Hawk pads. That all said on performance feeling virtually equal to me, brake dust is nil compared to the OEM pads, and this is where it doesn't make sense for me to ever go back to OEM. As for longevity between the two go, I obviously need more data to report on that...

 

Million reviews here on tires. Like religion, programming languages and operating systems you'll find them all here. As Marty says, scroll down...

siberian

Tires?

 

Siberian tends not to read very well...

 

like siberian said a lot of reviews and opinions on here...personally i have been through a number of pads on the touaregs i've owned over the years, my favorite is the stock pagid pads, the dust a lot but they stop better than anything else i've tried. If you find braking needs a lot of pressure its very unlikely that they are stock pads...

I have seen the reviews, but not knowing what i have is what threw me off i guess. I don't think i have the stock pads since they barely dust.

 

I like my new Padgid pads with Zimmerman rotors. Very smooth and great feel, plus great power. The first week I noticed the dust, but not since.

 

In the interest of keeping good info out there, here's an update. I contacted the seller and it turned out he got the brake job (pads and rotors) done at Pep-Boys 2 months before selling the vehicle to me. So I guess I don't have the stock pads. The current pad/rotor combo is an absolute shame and I fully intend on getting the stock setup since that is what I read to be the golden mean for performance on the Treg. Braking while towing has been a horror with my current setup. :anger:\

EDIT: Alretta seems to be selling a kit with Raybestos parts, is that the one everyone here talks about? I thought it was the stock setup for ~700 in parts?

 

This thread is about to become interesting!

I agree with NickM and VWD: OEM or Hawk. I have run EBC Yellows for over 50k but find them becoming less aggressive over time. Going to Pagid Blues next with Zimmerman rotors.

 

What a difference the new raybestos setup from Alretta makes. 2 more weeks before I tow the evo for the next event, can't wait to feel the difference under tow load.

 

The Raybestos are good but.....

I will put in my 2 cents for the quality of different combinations of brake components since I live on a hilly island and go through brakes more quickly than others may.

2006 : I performed a brake pad, rotor, sensor and hardware. I bought my components rom www.pap-parts.com

Front pads: Hawk ceramic
Front Rotors: zimmerman plain faced
Rear pads: Hawk ceramic
rear rotors: zimmerman plain faced

The intial feel of the ceramic pads was what I thought was good, until I encounterded many instances where the brakes would feel like they were not holding or that there was some sort of debris between pad and the rotor.

they didn't create much dust.


2007 after not being satified with the performance of the Hawk ceramics, I contacted Geoff and convinced him to sell me a complete kit minus the rear rotors (a set of front rotors and a set of pads for the front and rear along with the hardware and sensor). I didn't have that many miles on the first set so I kept the rear zimmerman rotors

After installing the pads and new rotors from Alretta my car was a pleasure to drive NO squeeling brakes and pedicatible braking.... But I still

felt that the Alretta pads two short comings, they will always stop you but you have to apply pedal pressure, and the second was they did not last very long as I replaced them in early 2009.

2009 Hawk LTS

here is my current set up

Front Pads : Hawk LTS
Front rotors: Alretta supplied

Rear pads: Alrettas supplied
Rear rotors: Zimmeran

This current set has satisfactory braking for me, I did have to apply anti-Squeel to rear of the Hawks to stop them from sqeeling under light braking.

The hawks give better intial bite than the Alretta brakes and require less pedal pressure.

I do feel that if I had some hawk pad in the rear I might get even more balanced braking.
On my next brake replacement I will use both OEM pads and Rotors so I can get the impression of those as well.

So for now my rating would go

For enthusiat driving :

OEM pagid
Hawk LTS/HPS

For overall reasonable replacement:

Alretta premium touareg setup


Stay away from any ceramic compound pad on the touareg unless you are running slotted rotor.

 

I totally concur with 4XMotion - Ceramics are not for the Touareg if you looking for stopping power.

I've tried EBC Reds (ceramic) and found them very poor in braking compared to OEM and the EBC Yellows...I personally really like the EBC Yellows on my V10. I use Hawk HPS (non-ceramic) on my e66 and think they are also excellent.

 

Thank you for the detailed explanation 4XMOTION. How much of a life is to be expected of the Alretta kit, specifically for someone living in the suburbs, not hilly but not totally flat either. Same question for the stock Pagid setup.

I did not have time to install the SS brake lines, I will probably just have a shop install them for me and do a fluid swap since I expect to be really busy for the next few months with a baby coming and all. I have had great success with ATE Blue DOT4 stuff for DD vehicles. I use RBF 600 on the evo but its is too hydrophyllic and will refrain from using it on the Treg.

 

350mm upgrade on my V8. ATE power disc ( slotted) Neuspeed stainless lines, EBC Red stuff... and with 22's it stops on a dime. Hotter they get the better they bite. Minimal dust, and minimal warm up.
OEM pads have a better cold bite, but can't handle washing wheels every 10 blocks.

 

I have lots of experience with the Hawk lts on the treg.
Just had the brake pad chime go off.
Probably the rears since they have 103k miles on those.
It is too hot to go check right now 100F but wednesday is a cooldown.
See if I can take them off to see.

 

Time fo new pads has anyone tried Textar, German made.

 

textar are apparently the OEM pads. Let me know what prices you are getting and I'll see if I can arrange a better deal.John

 

The OEM pads on my 08 V6 were Pagid. They said Pagid on the backing plate when I took them off. I'm currently running Hawk HPS pads on all four corners and love them. A tremendous improvement over OEM in stopping power and less dust.

 

Why did you choose the HPS over the LTS out of curiosity?

 

Hmmm...

Wish I had read this discussion prior to ordering kit from my front brakes.

Just ordered front Zimmerman Coat-Zs with Hawk Ceramic pads. OEM on the rears, as they're still in great shape. ameoba, I had the same issue that you've mentioned, couldn't find LTS pads for an '07 V6 at 330 mm, so ended up with the ceramics.

Anyone running the Zimmerman/Hawk Ceramic combo?

 

Had OEM, went to Zimmerman and EBC Red Stuffs up front, bought new rotors and pads for rear at the same time because they were apparently shot, but they've continued to last longer than the Red Stuffs did.

I will not be buying Red Stuffs again, worked great when hot but freaked the wife out when cold, plus the rotors really wore roughly, rotors are grooved not flat on wear surface. Nice to not have the dust though.

Finally bought the special rear caliper Torx, so new Zimmerman front rotors going on, looks like I'll try Hawk HPS, I think rear will be Zimmerman and Centrix if I recall correctly?

I'll keep ya posted.

Jason

 

Hawk are the dirtiest pads you can get. Also Centrix are a WAL-MART quality pad, reconsider. Try PBR Ceramic, lo-dust good bite, rotor friendly.
I kinda know, I do this every day for a living.

 

Which Hawk series are you referring too? I must dispute your claim, because every member here, including myself, who has used the Hawks on the Egg, LTS's to be more specific, were just about blown away from the low dust. The mags remain clean for days on end, even in daily stop and go city driving. With the stock pads, and open spoked style mags, a mere 24 hours later, they would look toast.

 

OK, PBS ordered up, $139 with shipping at tax on ebay, not really common to find on the internet at least, rotors were $170 for the pair from The Parts Bin. We'll see how she goes.

Jason

 

I have run hawks on a couple vehicles an will run them when i change the brakes on the touareg too. Dust seems minimal to me especially when compared to what i see from the ones on my treg right now. its horrible

 

Just because the oem's were terribly dusty doesn't mean the Hawk's have little dust because they have less in comparison; they are still quite dusty. LTS performance is in a category I would call "Good enough."
I'm a sponsored racer and considered approaching my brake sponsor, who is a high end manufacturer with full design and production capabilities, to build a kit for the v10's for bragging rights. The company has what I perceive to be some of the more advanced rotors on the market with some of the most R&D put into pad resins that I'm aware of, including a glueless resin-to-backing plate process. If there were interest in a high performance brake kit, I would probably go forward with it.

 

Yes, you are right that just because and aftermarket pad shows less dust than the OEM pad, it does not automatically classify it as low dust. The benchmark that the OEM pads set for brake dust, is ridiculous. That said, the LTS are "good enough" in the brake dust department all comparisons aside.

It would be nice to have names though, as to what is even better than the LTS, as opposed to just saying, LTS are dirty and ending it there.

Ceramic pads are perceived as low dust, and visually they are on light/bright mags. However it should be noted, that the brake dust is merely lighter coloured and does not show as much. I'm curious if the ceramic option would work well on black coloured mags.

 

I have recently changed my brake pads over to Lucas TRW Pads as the Icer Front and Bendix Rear pad I had previously fitted were fine running without a load, but quickly showed up as being ineffective when towing a heavy trailer ( Caravan @ 2200 kg).

The pads I now have are

Front: Lucas TRW GDB 1670 / WVA 24098
Rear: Lucas TRW GDB1653 / WVA 23694


The old Pads were

Front: ICER 18-1786
Rear: Bendix DB1677/4WD

The old pads were a poor combination with the rear Bendix pads and did not appear to have a heat rating that was suitable for the vehicle and trailer combined weight. As a result they "glassed" and effectively stooped working. They had only been in the vehicle for about 20,000 km, and when measured had show no signs of wear. Also the rear rotors had started to develop "hot" spots or discoloration. The front pads were worn down by about 60% and the front rotors had started to show signs of wear.
All in all a less than satisfactory combination of pads.

The new pads are excellent and provide great pedal feedback.

The lesson from this is make sure you do your research and base your selection on rear performance. Be careful with the advice of others.

Stuart

 

Comparing Brake pads

I have found some interesting info about manufacturers cross reference part numbers. The site is

VAG 7L6698151 Brake Pad Set, disc brake

VW has added letters to the end of the part number to separate generations. I went to the dealer to find the exact part numbers for my touareg based on my series number. My exact front brake pad part number is 7L6-698-151G . I am not 100% sure how it differs from earlier pads i.e.. version D,E and F.

It should also be noted that Touaregs have 350mm rotors as well as 330mm rotors. This fact is somehow related to OEM wheel size. I believe that at some point in time a sport package was offered with 18inch wheel which included larger 350mm diameter brake rotors. The 330mm rotors came with the 17inch wheels.

I believe that all touaregs between 2004 and 2010 with 330mm diameter rotors have the same callipers and brake pads. As you can see from the list of compatible parts, there is about 20 manufactures that make brake pads. These manufacturers, can also make pad for other companies such as Monroe. VW OEM pads are NOT only made by PAGID. Bids are obtained and companies such as TRW and ATE may have supplied pads at one time or another, hence the letter at the end of the part number.

I strongly believe that it is important to change the front and back pads to the same brand. Brake pad materials are not secret but there are differences in compositions. Many manufacturers list there pads as ORGANIC, SEMI-METALIC, or CERAMIC. Maybe we can find a skilled member that can explain the manufacturing process of brake linings and therefore explain the exact difference between the 3 compounds.

In addition, as a Canadian, driving in cold, wet and slushy weather I would NOT recommend ceramic pads.

 

It should also be noted that Touaregs have 350mm rotors as well as 330mm rotors. This fact is somehow related to OEM wheel size. I believe that at some point in time a sport package was offered with 18inch wheel which included larger 350mm diameter brake rotors. The 330mm rotors came with the 17inch wheels.

I believe that all touaregs between 2004 and 2010 with 330mm diameter rotors have the same callipers and brake pads.

350mm rotors had nothing to do with wheel size and were only offered on the V10 TDI. All others as has been said had 330 from 04 thru at least 10. I can't speak for T3's since I don't follow the specs on those.

Your other comment with all having same calipers from 04-10 is not correct either since they transitioned from 6 piston front 4 piston rear in late 06 early 07 to 4 piston front two piston rear. I would assume also with said change the pads also changed as well.

 

Only the v10 have 350mm rotors. All other touaregs are 330