VW TDI EPA Recall (2.0L and 3.0L)

182RG · Dec 31, 2016

m-fine said:
There can be issues with old urea, but how it could be responsible for killing a heater element is beyond me.

It's not. It's a bad design.

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nblanton · Dec 31, 2016

Mark Dreyer said:
Anyone with a Gen 1 considering parking it for fear of some major repair cost or accident damage between now and when buyback occurs? I'm considering that, and will visit a Nissan dealer today. Since I no longer tow, comfortable seats for my long work drives is of paramount importance. Nissan has some nice seats in the Maxima and Murano.

Well, pretty much anything will be better in the seating department than the Touareg.

My number 1 reason to take the buyback. Love the vehicle, but hate riding in the damned thing. I'm going to look at a 2014 M-class Bluetec.

Yeti · Dec 31, 2016

nblanton said:
Well, pretty much anything will be better in the seating department than the Touareg.

My number 1 reason to take the buyback. Love the vehicle, but hate riding in the damned thing. I'm going to look at a 2014 M-class Bluetec.

Interesting since for me the Touareg has been the most comfortable road trip car I have ever owned. I have never been sore after spending hours behind the wheel. I have done SLC, UT to York, PA a few times in my '10 and was never fatigued at all in it. I am wondering if the seats in the T3's are that much different.

Yeti · Dec 31, 2016

Stabone33 said:
...Aaaand on my trip to the mts yesterday, my 1500-mile warning came on, 6700 miles into a full tank.

Altitude must have something to do with it...Almost all of my driving is above 6000 feet, much of it well above that.

Can't say I buy this theory since mine has lived at altitude pretty much since I have owned it. There was about 3 years of living in PA, but most has been out west here. I have only ever seen the warning once since I have owned it. I have been to over 13K feet in mine with trails in Ouray. Could be a bad float or something on yours.

wjquigs · Dec 31, 2016

Why? As long as you don't strip it or total it, your buyback is going to be the same (assuming same mileage). I have a hard time believing VW will be able to refuse a buyback for a car that won't run because of an emissions failure...especially since they deceived you into buying a car with a defective/illegal emissions system in the first place.
For a few months, my Treg has had a few dents and dings (a boat fell off the roof...don't ask), a broken mirror, and a piece of trim missing from the right rear door (parked car jumped out at my GF...don't ask). Normally I would fix all this stuff as it happens, but now, why bother? It doesn't affect "resale" value.

MtnPass · Dec 31, 2016

It would be interesting to see a "complete" list of items that would result in refusal of your buyback.

Thinkin... · Dec 31, 2016

wjquigs said:
Why? As long as you don't strip it or total it, your buyback is going to be the same (assuming same mileage). I have a hard time believing VW will be able to refuse a buyback for a car that won't run because of an emissions failure...especially since they deceived you into buying a car with a defective/illegal emissions system in the first place.
For a few months, my Treg has had a few dents and dings (a boat fell off the roof...don't ask), a broken mirror, and a piece of trim missing from the right rear door (parked car jumped out at my GF...don't ask). Normally I would fix all this stuff as it happens, but now, why bother? It doesn't affect "resale" value.

I've been chain dragging logs with mine which normally works out fine. Except when a log snagged on a rock back in September and pulled the Treg into a tree. I'm minus a passenger side mirror and have a soccer ball size dent in the door. It was kind of a revelation when you realize you don't have to put aside money to fix it.

Thinkin... · Dec 31, 2016

182RG said:
It's not. It's a bad design.

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There can be issues with old urea crystallizing and plugging the injector and lines. However the pump and heater system is a universally bad design that allows seepage into the guts and just shorts it out. My Treg was 3 years old when I got and it came from Florida. The Adblue heater and pump was kind enough to make it about 1.5 years and 10,00 miles beyond the extended warranty expiration before dying. You're going to find similar Adblue system failures in Ford and Mercedes diesel systems, same Bosch part.

Spiegelglatt · Dec 31, 2016

The seats in the T3 must be different. Love my T1 and T2 seats-and I have a bad back...

Yeti · Dec 31, 2016

Spiegelglatt said:
The seats in the T3 must be different. Love my T1 and T2 seats-and I have a bad back...

I had a T3 for a rental while on vacation back in '12, but I honestly don't recall anything bad about the seats. Whole car did not do much for me really and was ready to get back to my '10.

nickyt · Jan 1, 2017

Yeti said:
I had a T3 for a rental while on vacation back in '12, but I honestly don't recall anything bad about the seats. Whole car did not do much for me really and was ready to get back to my '10.

So I am not the only one who sat in a T3 and went.... No Thanks. >

nickm · Jan 1, 2017

Spiegelglatt said:
The seats in the T3 must be different. Love my T1 and T2 seats-and I have a bad back...

Out of the three, I liked the T2 seats. T3 seat bottom cushions are too short for me, and I'm not sure why at the price bracket it's at it doesn't offer an extendible seat bottom. I could do 200 miles max on a t1 before m legs and lower back would cramp up,

They should just take the xc90 seats and flat out copy them.

Stabone33 · Jan 1, 2017

Yeti said:
Stabone33 said:

...Aaaand on my trip to the mts yesterday, my 1500-mile warning came on, 6700 miles into a full tank.

Altitude must have something to do with it...Almost all of my driving is above 6000 feet, much of it well above that.

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Can't say I buy this theory since mine has lived at altitude pretty much since I have owned it. There was about 3 years of living in PA, but most has been out west here. I have only ever seen the warning once since I have owned it. I have been to over 13K feet in mine with trails in Ouray. Could be a bad float or something on yours.

Well, I just found this - maybe mine is normal?

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/technology/diesel/adblue

It's always been this way, since new.

Stabone33 · Jan 1, 2017

nickm said:
Spiegelglatt said:

The seats in the T3 must be different. Love my T1 and T2 seats-and I have a bad back...

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Out of the three, I liked the T2 seats. T3 seat bottom cushions are too short for me, and I'm not sure why at the price bracket it's at it doesn't offer an extendible seat bottom. I could do 200 miles max on a t1 before m legs and lower back would cramp up,

They should just take the xc90 seats and flat out copy them.

Ford did this when they owned Volvo...A buddy of mine worked at the facility in Colorado Springs where they did this.

The external shape is proprietary and I think patented, but the contour and cushioning has been used in other Fords.

I like my T2 seats. We also have an '09 Volvo XC70, and those seats are amazing, but I've never had problems in my T2, even on 5+ hour road trips and multi-day cross-country trips. Just need to tilt the seat cushion up, tilt the upper back, and scoot it forward just a bit. Makes it more bucket-shaped and takes pressure off your knees and back. Off-road, I want a more upright posture for visibility.

tms0425 · Jan 1, 2017

Love the seats in my T3 and I'm a big and tall sort. Most comfortable road trip vehicle I've ever had, among many nice cars. Different strokes...

m-fine · Jan 1, 2017

I also love the seats in my 2015 T3. No complaints from me or the family after several long road trips.

Mark Dreyer · Jan 1, 2017

I don't know what years correspond with T1-T3. My 2010 seats have been acceptable on road trips, although I have to use a lumbar support pillow on occasion. My Porsche with 18 way adjustable sofa seats on the other hand aren't as kind to my back. After about 45 minutes in that car, I'm ready to get out and stretch.

Coloartist · Jan 1, 2017

I love my 2010 seats. I have driven the country from end to end.

My girlfriends 2009 CR-V is punishment.

I'm going to have to go sit in a 2016 and compare. You have me worried now.

Sharkwaldo · Jan 1, 2017

The 2011+ vehicles certainly have different seats than the 2010s. I drove both before I bought my 2011 and think the seats in the 2010 had a slight edge. Didn't they also change the seats again in 2013 or 2014? The newer ones look like they have much more bolstering which fixes my main complaint with the 2011.

fincher · Jan 1, 2017

Sharkwaldo said:
The 2011+ vehicles certainly have different seats than the 2010s. I drove both before I bought my 2011 and think the seats in the 2010 had a slight edge. Didn't they also change the seats again in 2013 or 2014? The newer ones look like they have much more bolstering which fixes my main complaint with the 2011.

2016 and 2017 have more bolstering and the bolsters are adjustable. Ventilated, too. Excellent seats.

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