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I8ABUG said:
VW Buying Big Stake of Navistar. Wonder if the Navistar's diesel technology will find it into VW's lineup?

Volkswagen to Take Big Stake in Navistar - WSJ
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More likely the other way around. Big rigs get more lenient emissions regs worldwide, and VW has a good design and a huge supplier base that they probably have volume contracts with for the long term. This allows VW to satisfy their supplier obligations (with some renegotiation likely) while Navistar gets the benefit of lower-priced engine parts and a crapload of diesel know-how, plus access to European markets through Scania and MAN product lines.

The article says Navistar has had a recent run-in over emissions...they apparently rushed production of an engine without SCR but with EGR that would have met 2009 emissions levels, but not 2010 levels, which would have required SCR. Even though Navistar built most of the engines in 2010, they labeled them 2009 engines and sold them as compliant even after being told they weren't compliant, except through use of emissions credits. They ran out of credits and 7,700 engines were sold that were "non-compliant". On top of that, the engines failed a lot and were subject to a class-action lawsuit for allegedly knowingly selling defective engines.

This may be a chocolate + peanut butter = Reese's matchup that will allow both to recover some lost ground.
 
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600 pages!!!!! We can do it!

What have we learned? Curious bunch of enthusiasts here....the 15 or twenty frequent posters ...the 3 or four dozen occasional posters....we are such a small percentage of anything - a rounding error when you wipe $20Bn in equity off your books.

I really like the balanced performance of the TDI...some of those porsche sway bars might make it even nicer....but too bad VW thought they were the smartest guys in the room. They deserve to lose a lot of customers over this. I feel worse for the dealers in the US who were totally screwed over. Shocked my servicing dealer is hanging in there...almost has to at this point...he sells Audi and VW. Period.

I might give up on new cars moving forward anyway. Just buy used stuff and smile at all the money I save.
 
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Stabone33 said:
If it quiets down 5 minutes after you start it on a cold winter day, is that OK? Never heard a BMW or MB clatter once they're warm, especially on the inside. My father has an ML350 Bluetec, and while it may clatter on the outside on startup, it's dead quiet on the inside and once it's warmed up, the outside too. Same as my Touareg.

That's just diesel.
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That's diesel circa 2006...that's not what I bought. x5 has plenty of clatter, especially when cold. My Touareg has none. Might be acceptable to you but is completely unacceptable to me.

My Ford 6.7 has no clatter, you think I'd accept clatter in a premium top of the line SUV? Ain't gonna happen.
 
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I8ABUG said:
I would be happy the clatter of an updated version of my ole 06 V10 TDI........VERY HAPPY! :grin2:
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Different buzz. the appeal over the v6 tdi over the v10 was refinement. The v10 dripped testosterone. I loved that engine
 
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nickm said:
Stabone33 said:
That's just diesel.
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That's diesel circa 2006...that's not what I bought. x5 has plenty of clatter, especially when cold. My Touareg has none. Might be acceptable to you but is completely unacceptable to me.

My Ford 6.7 has no clatter, you think I'd accept clatter in a premium top of the line SUV? Ain't gonna happen.
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What year is your Ford? Every Ford I've heard including 2016 F250's clatter like a semi even when warm and sound just as loud when they accelerate. And these are the stock ones, not coal rollers or those with DPF deletes. Those sound even louder.

Also goes for Ram/Cummins and GMC Duratecs. They're loud and sound like work trucks...or ******* Limousines.

I'm afraid diesel just doesn't sound as "civilized" as a gas engine. If it did, they would be in Rolls Royces.

If you can't accept a little clatter when the engine is cold, then maybe diesel isn't your thing. Or maybe you just have to pay a little more for sound deadening and active noise cancellation. Look into a Range Rover Sport Td6. Quiet as a tomb inside, and with 825 Watts of Meridian sound system to drown out any other plebian sounds beneath your dignity that make it through the double-insulated window glass. Costs about the same as a loaded F250 SuperCrew too, and performs better off-road.
 
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We're talking about the premium characteristics of expensive diesel vehicles at the time we bought them. If a recall significantly alters the character of the vehicle, then it's no longer what we chose to buy.

It's kind of ridiculous to say oh, well, I paid $55K for this thing that I test drove and liked, but now they're turning it into something else that I wouldn't have bought in the first place, why should I be unhappy about that?
 
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In the mid 80's I drove my dad's MB 300 TurboDiesel......now THAT car had quite the "clatter". Anyway, back to topic, TDi's "limbo" status still persists, guess we have to wait a few more months >-< . 2.0 owners are having their issues resolved, hopefully VW will also properly compensate the 3.0 owners. (Key word "Properly"...$$$$).
 
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What year is your Ford? Every Ford I've heard including 2016 F250's clatter like a semi even when warm and sound just as loud when they accelerate. And these are the stock ones, not coal rollers or those with DPF deletes. Those sound even louder.

Also goes for Ram/Cummins and GMC Duratecs. They're loud and sound like work trucks...or ******* Limousines.

I'm afraid diesel just doesn't sound as "civilized" as a gas engine. If it did, they would be in Rolls Royces.

If you can't accept a little clatter when the engine is cold, then maybe diesel isn't your thing. Or maybe you just have to pay a little more for sound deadening and active noise cancellation. Look into a Range Rover Sport Td6. Quiet as a tomb inside, and with 825 Watts of Meridian sound system to drown out any other plebian sounds beneath your dignity that make it through the double-insulated window glass. Costs about the same as a loaded F250 SuperCrew too, and performs better off-road.
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Thanks, this is my first diesel so it's all new to me. Except for my 1985 190d that I bought in the 80s, oh yes and the Golf diesel I had in 91, oh right there were all those 90s and early 2000s e class diesels I had, not to mention the three Touareg diesels including one that had the identical engine yours does, then there are the several dozen super duty diesels I've owned. I need to sell off my super duty since I'm such an idiot that I didn't realize the Range Rover td6 was soo smooth, I can't wait to drop 22,000lbs of trailer behind it. So yes, thank you for the diesel orientation, it's all brand new to me. With your brilliance making me educated I'll sell off my fleet. I'll look forward to your next instalment of wisdom so I can figure out what to buy.
 
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Thanks, this is my first diesel so it's all new to me. Except for my [long and distinguished...er, "resume"]
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Well, then I guess you should know better than I that diesels clatter. Sorry to insult your intelligence. Clearly you weren't satisfied with those other engines and kept searching for your unicorn. You ain't towing 22,000 lbs with your Touareg either, so best of luck in your continued search for a diesel you're not embarrassed to start in front of the neighbors.
 
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Veteran Volkswagen Engineer Pleads Guilty in U.S. Emissions Probe - Bloomberg

A veteran Volkswagen AG engineer pleaded guilty to conspiring to defraud U.S. regulators and customers, the first criminal charge in the Justice Department’s year-long investigation into the company’s rigging of federal air-pollution tests.

The engineer, James Liang, who entered his plea in Detroit federal court on Friday, is cooperating with the investigation, increasing pressure on higher-ranking officials of the company.

Liang worked at Volkswagen for decades, beginning in Germany and then moving to the U.S. in 2008 -- two years after the government says the conspiracy began. He appeared in court with a translator.

He admitted to a charge of conspiracy to commit fraud against U.S. regulators and customers. He faces a maximum penalty of five years in prison.
Liang was one of the engineers at Volkswagen in Wolfsburg, Germany, who was directly involved in the development of the defeat device for the Jetta in 2006, according to a lawsuit filed in July by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman.

In 2014 and 2015, he was conducting tests at the company’s Oxnard, California, facility as part of Volkswagen’s effort to conceal from regulators that the defeat devices were responsible for the illegal emissions, according to the New York complaint.
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Winterkorn met with Bosch in 2014 to discuss the cheat - Wall Street Journal

Nearly 18 months before Volkswagen admitted to cheating on auto emissions tests, its chief executive at the time met with the head of supplier Robert Bosch GmbH to discuss the cars’ illegal “defeat device” software, according to an amended class-action lawsuit.

Allegations about the meeting between VW’s then-chief, Martin Winterkorn, and Volkmar Denner, Bosch’s CEO, had been redacted from earlier court documents before the latest filing Friday.

The two men met at Volkswagen’s headquarters in Wolfsburg, Germany, on May 28, 2014, shortly after a U.S. environmental group published a report showing inexplicably high emissions of nitrogen oxides from two Volkswagen vehicles, the filing says. Five days earlier, Mr. Winterkorn had received a memo from an aide warning of an impending U.S. investigation, the filing says. On the meeting agenda, according to the filing, was Volkswagen’s “acoustic function,” its internal code to describe the defeat device.

“Thus, Denner and Winterkorn were aware of the illegal use of the defeat devices at least by May 2014,” the plaintiffs claim in the filing in San Francisco federal court. It was prepared by the law firm of Lieff Cabraser Heimann & Bernstein.
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At least Porsche owners get better service for the Diesel "issues" aka Macan customers.
VW sleeps well on the 3.0l engines ...
As mentioned before I called VW Germany about my US 3.0l engine and there is no recall or issue.
Hopefully they wake up soon in Wolfsburg :nerd:
 
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Regarding the Bloomberg article - VW engineer pleads guilty -- I don't understand why HE is being charged - he obviously didn't 'intend' to do anything wrong. [sarc!] After all, the USA has a constitution that says "equal protection under the law". Is he not 'equal' to HRC?
 
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^^ He had moved to the US. He was here and handy. He has agreed to testify for a reduced sentence. He will probably stay in the US and work that into his agreement. He will build the case against people higher up in VW.

They feds are going for bigger fish then this guy.
 
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