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To state the obvious... The full emission on mode, using only the existing EGR system, will be so bad that the performance and mileage hit will be obvious to everybody. If it was not obvious, then VW would have just shipped the cars in full emission mode in the first place.

The best fix is to pretty much leave the engine as it is now (not using the EGR system in normal driving) and to add a urea (AdBlue) system. This would handle the NOX, but means retrofitting the older engines with an AdBlue system.

VW Huburis.

Winterkorn was determined that the average profit was going to rise at VW. I feel pretty sure that eventually we will see that the engineers pushed for an AdBlue system and was told that it was too expensive. The next discussion probably was along the lines that a VW Engineer would be smart enough to figure out a way to make it work without adding an AdBlue system. And then the bomb was dropped. Are you a real VW engineer (and able to find a way to make this work) or are you a non-VW engineer (ie a non VW employee)?

Hey, it might not be right, but a guy that has a mortgage, kids, etc might feel that his employer is pushing him down a one way street at that point and do what he feels that his employer is demanding him to do. Make it work any way possible.
 
The fix is for European TDI's not ones sold in NA. Different emission regulations over there.
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The European EA189 engines can be fitted with Siemens or Bosch ECUs (dual sourcing) - the cars fitted with Siemens ECUs aren't affected which implies that no hardware changes are necessary and that simply reflashing the Bosch ECU software is all that's needed - no change in consumption, emissions or driveability.

The USA situation is different as the emission regulations are different, as posted.
 
That's an interesting wrinkle...why would they withdrawal the request? 2016s have a different engine, are AdBlue equipped... :-k
Perhaps to standardize the software (so 2016 doesn't end up being on odd year). The 2015 is being recalled and will be changed. The 2017 would use this new version, so 2016 would be odd. I mean why not, they are all just sitting around for now. Or perhaps they want to be crystal clear on the EPA issues (regarding software probably) so there are no questionable functions.
 
On a separate note, I hope Herr MĂĽller's demand for quality rubs off at VW. Porsche has been close to or number one on JD Powers reliability studies for a number of years. I always find this odd being it is owned by / or associated with VW.
 
That's an interesting wrinkle...why would they withdrawal the request? 2016s have a different engine, are AdBlue equipped... :-k
If model year 2016 TDI's are not certified for the US market, where does that leave people who ordered new TDI's including Touaregs?
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I think in Michael Horn's prepared testimony, which this is taken from, he'll be summarizing for the investigators the events that lead up to the withdrawal of VW's EPA and CARB certification request for MY 2016 vehicles with the 2.0L TDI. That isn't new news, it happened a few weeks ago. They withdrew the certification request at the same time they admitted to cheating because the 2016 models (apparently) still contain the cheat code, even though it may be disabled. The 2016 2.0L TDI can't be certified for sale until the cars are reflashed with the cheat code removed completely.

Mr. Horn is giving them the executive summary of the event timeline.

I don't think any of this has any effect on the 2016 Touareg TDI 3.0L. You can still buy one.
 
Long time reader; first time poster. I appreciate the relatively high signal-to-noise ratio here.

Michael Horn's prepared Congressional testimony for tomorrow is here: https://vwdieselinfo.com/wp-content...f-Michael-Horn-Before-House-Committee-on-Energy-and-Commerce-October-8-2015.pdf . This is from an official VW site; it is not a leak. You can bet that it is truthful, but it may not be complete.

The hearing will be on CSPAN tomorrow and it should be viewable here, if anyone cares: Hearing Volkswagen Emissions Violations | Video | C-SPAN.org

This newspaper article from earlier today actually starts to get at some of the current issues: VW drivers' lawyer condemns carmaker for 'staggering' lack of information | Business | The Guardian
 
Link to the prepared statement Michael Horn will make to investigators Thursday

TESTIMONY OF MICHAEL HORN, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF VOLKSWAGEN GROUP OF AMERICA, INC. BEFORE THE HOUSE COMMITTEE ON ENERGY AND COMMERCE SUBCOMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND INVESTIGATIONS : Volkswagen US Media Newsroom

I can't copy & paste the text right now, am on iPhone. Maybe someone else can.
Go Blackberry!
Per request:

Oct 7, 2015

Chairman Upton, Chairman Murphy, Ranking Member Pallone, Ranking Member DeGette, other Members of the Committee, thank you for inviting me to testify before the Committee today.

My name is Michael Horn, and I am the President and CEO of Volkswagen Group of America, a subsidiary of Volkswagen AG, headquartered in Wolfsburg, Germany. I have volunteered to come before this Committee at the very outset of these inquiries in an effort to show our commitment to cooperation. We have not had the opportunity to review all aspects of this matter, indeed the investigation is just beginning. Therefore, my testimony and my answers to your questions will, by necessity, have to be considered preliminary and based on my best current recollection and information.

On behalf of our company, and my colleagues in Germany, I would like to offer a sincere apology for Volkswagen’s use of a software program that served to defeat the regular emissions testing regime.

In the spring of 2014 when the West Virginia University study was published, I was told that there was a possible emissions non-compliance that could be remedied. I was informed that EPA regulations included various penalties for non-compliance with the emissions standards and that the agencies can conduct engineering tests which could include “defeat device” testing or analysis. I was also informed that the company engineers would work with the agencies to resolve the issue. Later in 2014, I was informed that the technical teams had a specific plan for remedies to bring the vehicles into compliance and that they were engaged with the agencies about the process.

On September 3, 2015, Volkswagen AG disclosed at a meeting with the California Air Resources Board (“CARB”) and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (“EPA”) that emissions software in four cylinder diesel vehicles from model years 2009-2015 contained a “defeat device” in the form of hidden software that could recognize whether a vehicle was being operated in a test laboratory or on the road. The software made those emit higher levels of nitrogen oxides when the vehicles were driven in actual road use than during laboratory testing.

In Volkswagen’s recent ongoing discussions with the regulators, we described to the EPA and CARB that our emissions control strategy also included a software feature that should be disclosed to and approved by them as an auxiliary emissions control device (“AECD”) in connection with the certification process. As a result, we have withdrawn the application for certification of our model year 2016 vehicles. We are working with the agencies to continue the certification process.

These events are deeply troubling. I did not think that something like this was possible at the Volkswagen Group. We have broken the trust of our customers, dealerships, and employees, as well as the public and regulators.

Let me be clear, we at Volkswagen take full responsibility for our actions and we are working with all relevant authorities in a cooperative way. I am here to offer the commitment of Volkswagen AG to work with this Committee to understand what happened, and how we will move forward. EPA, CARB, the U.S. Department of Justice, State Attorneys General, as well as other authorities, are fulfilling their duties to investigate this matter.

We are determined to make things right. This includes accepting the consequences of our acts, providing a remedy, and beginning to restore the trust of our customers, dealerships, employees, the regulators, and the American public. We will rebuild the reputation of a company that more than two million people worldwide, including dealers and suppliers, rely upon for their livelihoods.

Our immediate goal is to develop a remedy for our customers. While much work is still to be done, I’d like to talk today about how we get from where we are now to that goal.

First, we are conducting investigations on a world-wide scale into how these matters happened. Responsible parties will be identified and held accountable. Thorough investigations have already begun, but any information developed at this stage is preliminary. We ask for your understanding as we complete this work.

Second, it is important for the public to know that, as the EPA has said, these vehicles do not present a safety hazard and remain safe and legal to drive.

Third, technical teams are working tirelessly to develop remedies for each of the affected groups of vehicles. These solutions will be tested and validated, and then shared with the responsible authorities for approval. There are three groups of vehicles involved, each containing one of the three generations of the 2.0L diesel engine. Each will require a different remedy, but these remedies can only be our first step for our customers.

Fourth, we will examine our compliance, processes, and standards at Volkswagen and adopt measures to make certain that something like this cannot happen again.

Fifth, we commit to regular and open communication with our customers, dealers, employees, and the public as we move forward. As first steps, we have set up a designated service line and website to be a channel for this communication, and I have sent a letter to every affected customer.

I can offer today this outline of a path forward toward the goal of making things right. Nevertheless, Volkswagen knows that we will be judged not by words but by our actions over the coming weeks and months.

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These events are fundamentally contrary to Volkswagen’s core principles of providing value to our customers, innovation, and responsibility to our communities and the environment. They do not reflect the company that I know and to which I have dedicated* 5 years of my life. It is inconsistent that the company involved in this emissions issue is also a company that has invested in environmental efforts to reduce the carbon footprint in our factories around the world.

Volkswagen Group has a deep commitment to preserving our environment. As one of the world’s largest automobile manufacturers, our commitment to the environment extends throughout every aspect of our business in the more than 150 countries in which we operate. For example, here in the United States, Volkswagen’s manufacturing facility in Chattanooga, Tennessee serves as a model for Volkswagen plants around the world for increasing energy efficiency and reducing emissions, water, and materials usage and waste. In recognition of the plant’s efficiency, Volkswagen Chattanooga received a platinum certification from the U.S. Green Building Council’s Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (“LEED”) program. The facility is the first and only automotive manufacturing plant in the world to receive the Platinum Certification. As environmental protection and sustainability are central to Volkswagen’s core values, these events have been particularly troubling. Our conduct in the events that bring us here today belittle the efforts of Volkswagen to lead in environmental responsibility.

Over the 60 years Volkswagen has been in the United States, it has become part of the American culture. There are more than 6,000 Americans employed directly by Volkswagen Group of America in its 60 facilities across the United States: from a customer relations center in Auburn Hills, Michigan and a testing lab in Golden, Colorado, to a parts distribution center in Haslet, Texas, and our state-of-the-art manufacturing facility in Chattanooga, Tennessee. That factory, alone, employs more than 2,200 people and is expanding. We are part of communities all across the country. Thousands more hardworking men and women are employed at our parts suppliers and the network of about 1,000 dealerships across the United States.

In closing, I again apologize on behalf of everyone at Volkswagen. We will fully cooperate with all responsible authorities. We will find remedies for our customers, and we will work to ensure that this will never happen again.

Thank you again for allowing me to testify today, and I look forward to your questions.
 
Good article. Thanks for sharing.
 
Looks like there is more beating up VW going on outside of EPA issues, security flaw allowing fake keys to be made. (VW not the only one, but mentioned in the article). I notice there is a "new" model listed called the Touran! Is this a legitimate paper or more of a grocery store flyer? Revealed: The 100 car models at risk of being stolen due to security 'flaw' - Birmingham Mail
The Touran is the VW rebadged Chrysler minivan for the American marketBeen around for a few years, think it's been dropped now.
 
I certainly would not have wanted to be Horn standing in front of that group. Talk about being in the hot seat.

Good to see that he promoted the platinum LEED certification of the TN plant. Now they need to continue on that path an be more green than anyone else out there.
 
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