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Gibb River Road report.....

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#1 ·
Just completed the Gibb road in the R50 towing 3.5 tonne caravan with 2people and 2 dogs.

Damage report on the Traveller Sensation 24foot Van includes all 4 shockers shredded, 1 tyre blowout and 1 slow leak plus various bits of the van interior rattled to death but overall ok. You soon find out how well or not your van is built!!

The R50 had a strange issue. Other than the outside driving mirror becoming very loose on the hinge and lots of new squeaks and rattles we started getting this loud knock as we drove over the corrugations, at first I thought it was a problem with the front end. It was a chattering like ABS braking. We pulled over opposite the Gibb River Station, about 500k into the road, and rummaged around the front end. Not finding anything obvious we put the front wheels on the caravan ramps and climbed under the car. We found the drive shaft to be very loose with free movement in the middle of the shaft. The shaft is made of 2 pieces with a universal joint in the middle and one at each end. The middle joint is held in place by a bearing and rubber "shroud" and a clamp bolted to a bracket. This rubber shroud had disintegrated and the drive shaft mid joint was flaying around inside the round clamp that holds the shroud. The shaft was still in good condition and the bearing still had free movement. To fix we cut off the old rubber shroud off the bearing and the clamp and used a long 2cm wide strip of 5mm rubber mat to form a new shroud. We secured this to the clamp with cable ties and reassembled. Amazingly 250kms on and it's still holding. Arrived Derby yesterday and will call dealer to start discussion about how to replace drive shaft. Not sure if we need a whole shaft or just the clamp and bearing. Being 2000 kms from the nearest dealer will be a challenge Warranty expired 3 months ago but will ask for exception.

Being in convoy with a ford F250, Land cruiser and a old patrol it was a bit embarrassing that the Dakar winning car was the only one seriously damaged.

Most of the damage was done on the Kalumbura road. We only got as far as the Drysdale Station and didn't get to Mitchell falls as the road was just awful. Huge corrugations that rattled your teeth even with the wonderful air suspension. Just the 60km drive to Drysdale Station was shocking enough and took 2 hours so we took the decision not not go on to Mitchell Falls. Many others did and got back ok, some didn't. One Pajero did 7 shocks and got 2 flats. Someone took a winabego on the road?? It obviously died 30km in and was trucked home. There are lots of Mau and Brits rental 4x4 hurtling down the road like it's an autobahn. We saw 3 or 4 rolled rentals being trucked out and the aftermath of one near death accident involving a French family. Needed 2 RFD planes to take them out.

On the dirt we only averaged 25litres per 100km because we didn't get out of 5th averaging 60kms/hr over the road. We use Cooper LTZ 245/45-20 which are good. We ran at 340 kpa rear and 310 kpa front. We found after getting a sidewall blister soon into the trip that tying to run at lower pressures exposed the small sidewalls to pinch damage.

Would i do it again. Probably not. I would do both ends going in the dirt road only to see El questro in the east end and Manning gorge in the west end then fly to mitchell falls in the middle. You see all the main things doing that without going all the way and risking the damage. But it so very very interesting place and well worth the visit.

Overall to date we have averaged 19.3lts/100km from Melbourne to Derby. Interestingly we have only seen 6 Touareg's on the 20,000km trip so far. Every owner we spoke to loved their Tregs and would never change. On to Perth we go. All the best. Al
 
#2 ·
driveshaft centre bearing carrier..............sounds terminal........DIY fix on forum, bearing carrier off eBay nice and cheap (under $100). The driveshaft may be Ok . My comment on the 20's with the Coopers.....probaly not a good setup with a 45 profile on rutted surface and corrugations. 18's with A/T's would have given you some side wall buffer on the corrugations. Another member here (Sumar) does the same sort of stuff, but he's well sorted his Treg...maybe get onto him with some of his mods and even advice? However, you did it in an R50, so you get a good pat on the back for giving it a go and the experience gives you an insite into any changes you could make. BTW - how many K's on the odo? I'd like to know as it's good info for the centre bearing thread and the longevity of the carrier (rubber is the problem). Some are going at 60,000k's or less.

Follow-up on this when you get a chance:

http://www.clubtouareg.com/forums/f73/diy-driveshaft-r-and-r-39579.html

do a forum search on same topic ('drivesaft' or 'centre bearing') and there's plenty of info on this topic.
 
#3 ·
Thanks Oilslurper. Wow I love this site. I will look at those threads. The 20 inch rims are a limitation of the R50's brake caliper clearance as you know. We have done 80,000 km on the odo.
 
#4 ·
I might be wrong, but I think 18" will fit with the rotors. Ask "Singh" or have gander on the Aussie member list for R50/V10 owners. This forum will save you a lot of frustration and is very co-operative world-wide with member input. I selected the Hankook A/T RF10 from US member feedback and other US sites where the bigger Yank SUV's (like the F250's and Rams) were running them. Saved me a lot of grief and happy I fitted these.
 
#5 ·
Out of interest Alant, how many K's on the clock? Yours is the first centre bearing carrier that's been posted on the forum as failing but there have been many others with the other variants all round the world. The bearing has been noted to fail as well but there seems to be no conclusion as to if the carrier had been replaced earlier if the bearing would still have gone.Oils comment on 18" will take some research as most 18" wheels won't fit over the front brakes of the R50 but some JUST do. Looking at that option myself but you seem to be restricted to 265/60 x 18 as the biggest size. Hope you took pics of the trip you can post for all to see. John
 
#7 ·
Thanks Schootsie, we have done 80k in the treg. We did a fair bit of research on the rims and tyres. We found 19" rims that would fit but the tyre choice was limited and quite expensive. The 20inch rims fitted in cost and the tyre choice. The rims and tyres cost $700 per wheel.

I think the bearing is ok a just the carrier failed. Spoke to Vw and they won't do anything re warranty goodwill review until I get to Perth. I won't hit Perth till Dec this year so registered a case number with customer service and booked service call in Perth for Dec. See what happens when I get there. Hopefully my bush repair will hold till then. No more dirt till Perth so should be ok. This repAir looks good to me as I can easily do this myself on the road.

http://www.vertexauto.com/ShowItem/293811 Porsche Cayenne Drive Shaft Repair Bearing Support.aspx. Checking with company for compatibility with V10.

Al
 
#8 ·
Thanks Schootsie, we have done 80k in the treg.
Al
That 80K's is in the ball park for the carrier rubber crapping itself, followed by the bearing going if you have no idea of what's happening. I'd get the thing properly looked at when you get a chance. I carry a spare carrier bearing in the space saver cavity. I ditched my 19" Atheos on the tyre option limitations. 18's do nicely on the V6TDI. I'm not a 'blinger', so I can live with the Q7 wheels over nice shiney chromies. You also have to look at the load ratings. Some aloys are light duty rated.
 
#9 ·
great to hear and read this Alant...not the breakdown but the travel though.....hope you make it to Perth w/o any issues. I guess a taller sidewall would help with the bone jarring and damage to vehicle parts....yes. 19's are dearer than 20's and have lesser choice....I'm glad I can fit 18s on the V10.

the drive shaft/bearing has been discussed to lengths here and is know to be a 'weak' spot.....

keep it up and let us know how you go.....
 
#10 ·
Hi Alant,
Good to hear you are out on an adventure.

I was wondering why I wasn't seeing your car and van down to road!

I had a carrier bearing failure at just over 70k. Mine coincided with a fuel line leak above the bearing which damaged the rubber and is suspected to cause the problem.

There is/was a TSB on the fuel line when I took my car in for the work. The fix for the fuel line was to 'click' back into place. This maybe irrelevant but worth checking.

VW replaced the entire drive shaft. Apparently standard fix with this. I was under warrranty at the time but I was shown the costs. It would be benificial to get under warranty mate! They also had to ship from Sydney so it might be worth trying to have them ship parts before you arrive in Perth.

Good luck mate and enjoy the trip

cheers
matt
 
#11 ·
G'day
When looking for offroad wheels/tyres I measured clearances inside the wheel and thought that if 18" wheels were fitted the clearance to brake calipers would be uncomfortably close, that if 19" wheels were fitted the choice of tyre would be more limited, so went for 20" rims with Cooper LTZ tyres 285/50 if I recall etc...very happy with them.
Now I'll have to start listening for front end rattles....almost 120,000 kms up...
Regards
kevin
 
#12 ·
Don't worry Kevin, when the carrier fails you will feel & hear it. I thought something from under the car was going to join me in the cabin!

I recommend giving the car a full throttle squirt every now and then (if you don't already!). I identified it in my car at this point. I was able to limp around for a week and a half in my car on light throttle while the parts came in (not recommended, although I had little choice). There was no evidence of the problem on light throttle.

I will be buying a spare carrier bearing around 130k if I have the car for that long.

cheers

Matt