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Brake Job... Whoa!!! Help

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#1 ·
So I thought I did my research. I have a 2006 T1 3.2L Just a plain V6.
60K miles.

So I wanted to do my brakes. I looked around on this website and it seemed like since I had a v6 I would need the Single pin 330mm Brake pads. I ordered everything on line (Pagid oem pads) from RMEUROPEAN.

I was just replacing pads. I ordered everything. Got all set up opened up the box. Cool everything there. Took off Right FR tire. Found a Dual Pin set up???

this is what I ordered.
seems like I got the back ones correct since they only had single pin ??!!

Volkswagen HELLA PAGID Brake Pad Set 7L0698151Q (7L0-698-151-Q)

is this what I need?
http://www.rmeuropean.com/Part-Numb...uareg-Base-Sport-Utility-32L-V6__qkoA-plus-gkAANYH__D9N6nSooTUGg-6bGAEr1Tw.aspx


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#2 ·
Did the sensor go off or do you just want to do them? If it did not go off I would not bother until it does go off. You have about 2K miles even if it does go off.
 
#7 ·
The sensor has been on for about 500 miles ;) They look like they could go further but not going to push it since I dont want to replace the rotors.
Sensible decision to do the pads given the light has been on but you really should measure the rotor thickness to see if they are up to running another set of pads.
 
#8 ·
Technically you should replace the rotors, but that being said I did not replace them on the front of my '10 since they did not even have a lip on them. I hope I don't regret it later. :)
 
#10 ·
My '08 takes single pin 330x32mm rotors, pretty sure yours are the same except for the two pins, the wear tolerance is 2mm, ie. if the rotor is not over 30mm in thickness it needs to be replaced.
I don't think you want to get yourself into a situation where you put new pads on a rotor that is just over minimum, then travel 20-30K miles, you would obviously be under 30mm with partially worn pads........all to save yourself $100 per corner, not worth the worry in my book.
Replace pads and rotors I say!

Tonyb
 
#28 ·
My '08 takes single pin 330x32mm rotors

Tonyb
Strange thing that Tony, I have a car that was built probably within months of yours and is the same drive-line, however I have the pads with dual pins "E" model callipers.

The big lesson is NEVER assume anything with VW!!!

Stuart...
 
#14 ·
I don't think so.

No one would be able to say just how much further the next set of pads would wear the rotors down.

Minimum spec is minimum spec in my book, not a "Ooh I think those worn rotors will do another 60,000 miles with another set of pads."
 
#12 ·
i was able to measure the outside of the calipers thickness at 32.02 MM however there seems to be a lip so im not sure that part would ever wear out and would not give accurate reading. there is maybe 2mm worn off on the lip on each lip on both sides giving a reading of 28.
 
#18 ·
what is going to happen if i replace the rear rotors after driving for about a week with the new pads?

i just want to wait till after my FL trip to change out the rotors and pads. but i already put the new pads on the rear. looking at about 600 miles round trip
If your rotors are fairly flat you will have to let them bed-in a second time.

If yours are well worn, you might need to lightly sand the surface to get them back to reasonable flat.
 
#21 ·
The right decision!

Even a few days running new pads on old rotor might be enough to put the old rotor's grooves and blemishes into the new pads' friction surfaces.
 
#24 ·
Yep!
. . . so as long as it above the "Discard Thickness" and does not need to be resurfaced, it is OK to use.
Indeed, but that's not what you originally said...

The rotor minimum specification INCLUES wear margin.
It is the safe minimum for reuse, not the absolute minimum.
So I'm glad we've cleared that up - if the rotor is down to the manufacturer's minimum, fit new rotors.

On a Touareg rotor, it will be almost impossible to resurface a used rotor given the wear tolerance is so small in the first place.
 
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#31 ·
When you are at the minimum thickness or close to it, the rotors are more prone to warpage. If you get a vibration through the brake pedal, then its time to replace both pads and rotors. Just new pads will have to bed into the grooves of the old rotors and that can give you bad feel through the pedal. Why scrimp on just doing the pads and resurfacing.
 
#32 ·
You guys are amazing.
First, there is no difference in the meaning of the specification between Euro and other cars.
Second, the specification is the MINIMUM for reuse.
Yes, a rotor near or at the minimum has less margin for wear than one at the original thickness, but it is still suitable for use, as long as it is at (or over) that minimum specification. (and properly maintained)

If it was not safe for use, they would have increased the minimum specification to provide the margin.

All that aside, rotors are usually well grooved, or at least noticeably wavy across the wear surface long before they get to the minimum. For a DIYer, it is far better to put on new rotors than to have a set machined. Especially since machining cuts through the work hardened surface and increases the wear rate.

As for those of you concerned with warped rotors, these links might be interesting:

-Warped- Brake Disc and Other Myths
Warped' Rotors Myth - Correctly Service Brakes: Runout, Disc Thickness
 
#33 ·
I have noticed older generations are more prone to wanting to reuse stuff... newer generations are more likely to replace. however i think i read a good point someplace. back in the day pads were made of asbestos and really soft. i bet those would wear really fast and the rotor would wear only slightly. probably could replace pads for 200K miles before needing to turn a rotor. my father in law was over while i was doing my brakes and he though i was crazy for even wanting to replace the pads.... he was like " these have another 20K miles left on them. also was telling me synthetic oil is a waste of money...no need to use a torque wrench on the lugs... yadda yadda....
 
#35 ·
I have noticed older generations are more prone to wanting to reuse stuff... newer generations are more likely to replace. however i think i read a good point someplace. back in the day pads were made of asbestos and really soft. i bet those would wear really fast and the rotor would wear only slightly. probably could replace pads for 200K miles before needing to turn a rotor. my father in law was over while i was doing my brakes and he though i was crazy for even wanting to replace the pads.... he was like " these have another 20K miles left on them. also was telling me synthetic oil is a waste of money...no need to use a torque wrench on the lugs... yadda yadda....
You calling me "OLD"! Them's fighting words. :p

You want to see good parts thrown away, have your MB serviced at a dealer.