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So 2 months ago you self diagnosed an oil consumption issue and posted the issue; then you bought top-of-the-line coverage; then you suffered catastrophic failure and posted about warranty denial.

Besides adding 2-3 qts of oil and buying a warranty, what else happened over the last 2 months?

I normally wouldn't ask these questions over public forum but you have already put it out there...
 
So 2 months ago you self diagnosed an oil consumption issue and posted the issue; then you bought top-of-the-line coverage; then you suffered catastrophic failure and posted about warranty denial.

Besides adding 2-3 qts of oil and buying a warranty, what else happened over the last 2 months?

I normally wouldn't ask these questions over public forum but you have already put it out there...
What an interesting turn of events... I vividly recall the OP's other thread about oil consumption and now I'm here reading about massive engine failure. So maybe I can take a big sigh of relief about the longevity of my own V10, will I be more cautious? Yes, but at the same time I'll be significantly less worried.
 
So 2 months ago you self diagnosed an oil consumption issue and posted the issue; then you bought top-of-the-line coverage; then you suffered catastrophic failure and posted about warranty denial.

Besides adding 2-3 qts of oil and buying a warranty, what else happened over the last 2 months?

I normally wouldn't ask these questions over public forum but you have already put it out there...
Yep, if the VW dealer service manager sees this, you can TOTALLY forget about any warranty help.
 
What would be the connection between an oil consumption issue and catastrophic engine failure. I don't believe the engine failed from lack of oil because OP stated the oil pressure gauge read normal.
I don't have an oil pressure guage on my V10, just an oil temp, I don't think any V10s came with an oil pressure guage?
 
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The v10 doesn't have an oil pressure gauge. The fidelity guy told me I should be able to watch the gauge and know if there is enough oil pressure there. The old post about it was that when you first check the oil on the dipstick you would get nothing on there and so you'd have to push the dipstick in and out again to get a reading. I did an oil change and there was plenty of oil in the motor at the time. Everything seemed to be ok after that and it ran great. I used ESP 507 oil as required and after that it was inspected. I just cannot figure out why I never had any sort of warning light if the pressure was low. I wouldn't assume sludge would pump at all so why didn't I get a warning?

The dealer never found out why the engine won't crank. He at first told them there was a dry dipstick and they denied the warranty based on that. Then, after 3 weeks they cracked open the oil pan and saw sludge and denied it again based on that. This was after he told me they almost completely pulled the motor and found bad turbo seals on both turbos (which they never did).
 
I only have had the Touareg for 9 months. I sure do miss it. It only had 64k on the motor when this happened.


Sorry so long.

Thanks
So for the first 55k miles or so someone else owned it? Do you have copies of the previous service records to know whether it was maintained properly, on schedule and with the correct oil? These records could help you fight with the warranty company. If you don't have them, contact the dealer and see if they are on VW's computerized records for the VIN.

Of course if the records show that the car wasn't properly maintained, you could be facing the entire repair yourself.
 
The dealer never found out why the engine won't crank. He at first told them there was a dry dipstick and they denied the warranty based on that. Then, after 3 weeks they cracked open the oil pan and saw sludge and denied it again based on that. This was after he told me they almost completely pulled the motor and found bad turbo seals on both turbos (which they never did).
Maybe its just me but I'm confused...if the dealer can't tell you why it won't crank, why is engine replacement the solution? there are many reasons why the engine won't run, and engine replacement certainly isn't the cure for them..ie: if you have fueling problems or a bad ECU your engine won't run, but replacing the longblock won't cure either of these things.

My experience with Fidelity is that they are not dumb dumbs and they certainly know the V10 intimately...I would be surprised that they would even entertain an engine replacement discussion without a) a fully documented reason for engine failure and b) sending out an adjuster.

The dealer doesn't work for fidelity and certainly is in no position to authorize or deny a claim...they are independent entities and the dealer just works with them to get paid. My experience has been that the dealer makes absolutely no decisions other than send the diagnostics and paperwork to fidelity...fidelity makes the final decision on if payment is warranted or not.If fidelity won't pay the dealer will turn to you for final payment of the bill.
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My bad. I musta been thinking about my Cadillac. But still, every vehicle on the road has a low oil pressure light.
good point and yes I think everything has an oil pressure light...Maybe an oil light didn't go on (maybe its burnt out or the circuit failed) but again, sounds like the OP had some warning (white smoke + engine noise that went away after oil was added).

I suppose if the engine simply won't crank (ie: its seized) and there is no oil in the engine then I'm not sure what the argument here is...no oil=engine seizure in any case and no manufacturers original factory warranty will pay out for that.

BTW nice work on the Caddy, those before and after pics are very graphic!
 
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So for the first 55k miles or so someone else owned it? Do you have copies of the previous service records to know whether it was maintained properly, on schedule and with the correct oil? These records could help you fight with the warranty company. If you don't have them, contact the dealer and see if they are on VW's computerized records for the VIN.

Of course if the records show that the car wasn't properly maintained, you could be facing the entire repair yourself.

I don't have copies of the records but I will have to check with VW to see if they have them. I bought it from a dealer that sells used luxury autos and who knows what they did to the car to get it ready for sale.
 
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Maybe its just me but I'm confused...if the dealer can't tell you why it won't crank, why is engine replacement the solution? there are many reasons why the engine won't run, and engine replacement certainly isn't the cure for them..ie: if you have fueling problems or a bad ECU your engine won't run, but replacing the longblock won't cure either of these things.

My experience with Fidelity is that they are not dumb dumbs and they certainly know the V10 intimately...I would be surprised that they would even entertain an engine replacement discussion without a) a fully documented reason for engine failure and b) sending out an adjuster.

The dealer doesn't work for fidelity and certainly is in no position to authorize or deny a claim...they are independent entities and the dealer just works with them to get paid. My experience has been that the dealer makes absolutely no decisions other than send the diagnostics and paperwork to fidelity...fidelity makes the final decision on if payment is warranted or not.If fidelity won't pay the dealer will turn to you for final payment of the bill.
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They did send out an adjuster but he was told that there was no oil on the dipstick so he denied the claim at that point. Nothing was actually done to the car up to this time. After making some calls I then was able to have them pull the oil pan but the second fidelity guy over the phone said that it was opened a few inches for them to see sludge. I haven't seen it myself. The 'engine replacement' was what the service writer told me over the phone the day after they got the car towed in. He called me and said I needed a new engine and turbos because there was no oil on the dipstick and in the pan. There is no physical damage to the car and no leaks and no missing drain plug. Something failed and the oil blew out the exhaust. I don't know what that something is and nobody else does either.
 
Does the person who checked the dipstick actaully KNOW about these V10's and that you have to insert the dipstick TWICE to get a reading?
Sometimes that isn't enough either. The only reliable way seems to be to start the motor, let it run for a minute and then turn it off. Wait 4 to 5 minutes and then remove the stick, wipe, reinstall and then and only then do you seem to get a consistent reading. Any other way and you can see anything from bone dry to way over filled. They are a very eccentric beastie. John
P.S. before cracking the sump open I assume they removed the drain plug and something came out but there is no mention of it. Any oil that came out should get an analysis done by an independent lab!
 
I suppose all the well known dipstick checking issues don't matter if they pulled the oil pan and it was dry...
 
I suppose all the well known dipstick checking issues don't matter if they pulled the oil pan and it was dry...
First off it's hard to imagine any tech pulling an oil pan without first draining it. I mean used motor oil is dirty enough, but used diesel motor oil is plain nasty and nobody would lower a pan full of it and risk getting showered with it or spilling it on the floor. Second what do they mean by dry? The pan holds 12 quarts. Did the engine use up 12 quarts in the 140 miles after he got it inspected?
 
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