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Hard for me to use NPV calcs for car purchases. If I did that, I'd probably would never buy a depreciating asset like a car...that said we've done real well with the 993tt.
Yeah, yeah, and I've done real well on my 1972 911E 2.7. ;)

My (apparently too subtle) point was that you are trying to rationalize the purchase of a GL550. If you want a GL550, then buy a GL550. But just don't try to say that VW's "cheating" had anything to do with it.

Your original statement about which I asked "Why?" was,
"Ugh...

Suddenly, the comparatively horrible fuel MPG and diminished range of my GL550 to the T2, is an easier pill to swallow.
"
in response to a post that Mercedes may be facing diesel compliance issues similar to VW.

My question was, essentially, why would M-B "cheating" or VW "cheating" on their diesels make going to a gasoline engine that gets 17 mpg an easier pill to swallow? Does it feel better to go from one cheating company to another cheating company as long as you don't buy one of their cheating vehicles? And there is only an economic driver to buy a GL550 early and park the T2 if the increase in buy-back amount is greater than the NPV of the early GL550 purchase amount. I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

So, what you really have is a situation where you wanted to buy a GL550 for reasons unrelated to VW's diesel issues (e.g., size and third-row seating), and you're trying to maximize the buy-back amount for the T2 by parking it. That sounds like the right strategy. But VW's diesel issues didn't drive you to the gasoline GL550. If anything, VW's diesel issues made it EASIER for you to buy the GL550 that you wanted anyway, because you'll get more money for your T2 from VW than you otherwise would have in a non-settlement-agreement trade-in or sale.

Congratulations on the GL550! (When I see a GL550 I always think of Roger Federer's commercial, "It's a monkey, daddy!"). :)
 
I'm with mpm T2 TDI. Truly love my TDI and I will be sad to say goodbye when bought back. I was thisclose to getting a 2016 TDI Exec. Here we are 18 months later and the climate for diesels is tricky. I do think it will be resolved for SUVs as diesel is a perfect powertrain for an SUV. But for me the money is too good to pass up. My 2012 has 103k. I still drive it a little but my daughter is driving it almost daily.
^ This. As I've said before, diesels have inherent advantages over any other powertrain options for SUVs, especially for SUVs used for towing or longer-distance trips. Since those inherent advantages are not going away, and emissions control is not an insurmountable technical or economic obstacle, this will get worked out. Especially now that we have an administration whose goal is not to kill off fossil-fuel vehicles.

But yeah, for Gen 1 owners the VW money is too good to pass up. Maybe once my Gen 2 is "fixed" :)surprise:) with a long warranty, some Gen 1 owner will be interested. Or maybe VW will buy it back under the "too good" Gen 1 deal. And then I'll move on to a Macan S. :grin2:
 
Lets see if i can post this notice from land rover...


The Unofficial Land Rover Diesel Delivery Checklist
A comprehensive review of important ownership and operating facts.
The Unofficial Land Rover Diesel Delivery Checklist
A comprehensive review of important ownership and operating facts.
AVAILABILITY

Land Rover Range Rover (standard wheelbase)
? Range Rover
? Range Rover HSE

Land Rover Range Rover Sport
? Range Rover Sport SE
? Range Rover HSE

SPECIFICATIONS

? 3.0L turbocharged V6 with water-cooled turbo
and high-pressure common rail injection
? Horsepower: 254 @ 3500rpm
? Torque (lb-ft.): 440 @ 1750rpm
? 0-60 (seconds): 7.1 (Range Rover Sport), 7.4
(Range Rover)
? Maximum allowable tow weight (lbs.): 7716
? EPA (city/highway/combined): 22/28/25
? Effective range (miles): 658

DIESEL TYPE

?
Use Ultra-Low Sulfur Diesel (ULSD) only, rated at
B5 or lower

?
Do not use biodiesel, or formulation with biodiesel,
greater than B5

The 2017 LR Discovery owner's manual states that you should not use biodiesel above B20 - see attached from LR's online owner's manual. Same engine as the RRS. Biodiesel above B5 is not recommended, but all it does is shorten the service interval as a precaution. Higher percentage biodiesel has lower lubricity and a lower cetane number, and it produces more NOx than regular Highway ULSD. If you're home brewing your biodiesel, yes, that will likely cause problems over time, but commercial B10/B20 from a name brand store with good turnover generally will cause no problems.

Using commercial B20, you'll likely experience a barely noticeable drop in power and maybe a noticeable drop in fuel economy, but nothing that can't be remedied with additives to further enhance lubricity and cetane, as well as peace of mind.

http://extension.psu.edu/natural-re...atural-resources/energy/biofuels/factsheets/using-biodiesel-fuel-in-your-engine
 

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Yeah, yeah, and I've done real well on my 1972 911E 2.7. ;)

My (apparently too subtle) point was that you are trying to rationalize the purchase of a GL550. If you want a GL550, then buy a GL550. But just don't try to say that VW's "cheating" had anything to do with it.

Your original statement about which I asked "Why?" was,
"Ugh...

Suddenly, the comparatively horrible fuel MPG and diminished range of my GL550 to the T2, is an easier pill to swallow. "
in response to a post that Mercedes may be facing diesel compliance issues similar to VW.

My question was, essentially, why would M-B "cheating" or VW "cheating" on their diesels make going to a gasoline engine that gets 17 mpg an easier pill to swallow? Does it feel better to go from one cheating company to another cheating company as long as you don't buy one of their cheating vehicles? And there is only an economic driver to buy a GL550 early and park the T2 if the increase in buy-back amount is greater than the NPV of the early GL550 purchase amount. I'm pretty sure that's not the case.

So, what you really have is a situation where you wanted to buy a GL550 for reasons unrelated to VW's diesel issues (e.g., size and third-row seating), and you're trying to maximize the buy-back amount for the T2 by parking it. That sounds like the right strategy. But VW's diesel issues didn't drive you to the gasoline GL550. If anything, VW's diesel issues made it EASIER for you to buy the GL550 that you wanted anyway, because you'll get more money for your T2 from VW than you otherwise would have in a non-settlement-agreement trade-in or sale.

Congratulations on the GL550! (When I see a GL550 I always think of Roger Federer's commercial, "It's a monkey, daddy!"). :)
Don't know that commercial, must go Utube it...

Interesting to see you can read my mind. Must not be sending out all the right brain waves because you are wrong. The hard pill was leaving diesels, for now. The MB news confirmed my suspicions that other would get wrapped up in this and that German diesel SUVs will exit NA for the next 5-7 years. I just don't want to go through this again.

Yes, love, Love, LOVE my T2 TDI. Best overall vechicle owned. Was never too worked up about the diesel emissions issues. My beef, and still held grudge, is for the stupidity and arrogance of management in general - and Winterkorns politics and appointees in particular. And, have been kicking myself a bit for the time and devotion spent on the VAG brand in particular, and cars in general...

But, still would buy a VAG product. They just don't offer what we need. And for the T2, we are taking the buyback, so decided to get it off the road. At a few thousand below 100K, we are not going to do the next scheduled maintainance.

That said, I don't have to, or really even want to, explain myself to you, but there are some folks here who I'd like to share more with, and your response helps frame this...

Yes, always liked the GLs, as a 3rd row option.

With the T2, one kid, no problem, two ditto. Third kid, math changed, no room for anyone, and the second row is not built for three child seats. God help us if we get T-boned at the passenger doors...

This is my world today and were my decision making drivers. With a lot of summer family trips planned, we need the 3rd row now. It will also allow us to haul adults along with kids this summer and beyond.

I try to buy and hold the best cost/value vechicles for that task at hand. Buy them late in their build cycle, so typically past the new build teething pains. I also try to buy fully loaded unicorns. My 87.5 Audi Coupe, orignal S4 with NAV, the '97tt, the '04.:R32, the T2 TDI, and yes, this particular GL550 are examples.

Started off by figuring to go with a loaded GL350. Then discovered active curve system was an option and had to have it (it is a very hard to find option on a 350. Every one found had big mileage, or was sold instantly). It makes a noticable difference in L/R body roll in hard cornering. Once down that slope, it got slippery fast.

The AMG body work and wheels are the taste making differences between the GL having some decent road presence, and otherwise looking like a bus. No worries, having a brother in the business, $10K wah la, the 350 looks like a 550, but has the diesel plant.

Then this GL550 appeared, basically new, loaded with everything but the B&O stereo, night vision and the illuminated star, 35% off purchase price.

Still was going to hold out for an active curve 350, but it was dominating too much time in my life. Coming off the heels of the diesel mess, which had done much the same thing. All of which made me reevaluate my time and priorities and decide to move away from diesels for now.

What is really wanted is a diesel/electric, 3rd row, air suspended rig. These are already in Europe, but with limitations and sacrifices to useful space. Our issues probably delay entry for another 5-7 years.

So, nope, no justification need on buying the GL550. It had zero to do with the scandal. More justifying why not to buy another diesel now (and maybe even more it being black, instead of a silver), but hopefully we will again have a diesel SUV, once the NOx settles...
 
There are many reasons why one would go ahead and buy a replacement vehicle before the buyback is due. I had a hard time getting my wife to agree mine made sense, tho.
 
It's probably too late, but FYI the goodwill gift cards expire tomorrow. Made a last minute run to the dealer this evening and grabbed some tires for another vehicle.
The gift cards expired a year from when you received and activated them. That is when yours ran out. Mine ran out back in January.
 
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I lost mine got another one for 5 bucks and they extended it 6 weeks.
I converted my "anywhere" $500 card to an Amazon gift card, then used it on a new head unit. Amazon gift cards don't expire.

Spent my dealer funny money on a full fluid flush/replacement before I ever thought these would be bought back....
 
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Spent my dealer funny money on a full fluid flush/replacement before I ever thought these would be bought back....
Hey, that's what I did too. Trans shifted much better afterwards. If they manage to resell the old cars instead of junking them, someone is getting a tip-top maintained one if they get mine. I will leave a folder of service records in the glovebox even, just like the previous owner did for me.
 
Spent my dealer funny money on a full fluid flush/replacement before I ever thought these would be bought back....
I ordered a new plateless front grill for my Touareg replacement (Allroad) with mine. The VW dealer ordered it from the Audi dealer down the road and added a 10 or 12% markup. It sure beat paying $450 out of pocket for it though.
 
Hey guys, sorry if this has been discussed but I haven't been on the board in a couple weeks and I've already gone through over 20 pages and done a search and can't find the answer.
My neighbor that has a TDI Treg just told me that the amount VW gives you is on the low end of the range if you just turn it in and walk away and on the high end of the range if you turn it in and buy another VW.
That's not what I understood from a couple hundred pages ago. Can someone confirm or deny what he said?
It doesn't seem legal to me, so I don't believe him.
TIA
 
Hey guys, sorry if this has been discussed but I haven't been on the board in a couple weeks and I've already gone through over 20 pages and done a search and can't find the answer.

My neighbor that has a TDI Treg just told me that the amount VW gives you is on the low end of the range if you just turn it in and walk away and on the high end of the range if you turn it in and buy another VW.

That's not what I understood from a couple hundred pages ago. Can someone confirm or deny what he said?

It doesn't seem legal to me, so I don't believe him.

TIA


Incorrect info from your neighbor. The amount is set. If your VW dealer wants your business bad enough they will make you a good deal as you leave their lot.
 
that's what I thought. thank you.
my neighbor has a dp on a 2016 tdi so maybe the dealer was just giving him a great deal to keep his business.
he has an old FJ40 that I drool over every time i drive pass his open garage.

I'll be sad to leave this board. I've been lurking on the 4runner boards and those guys can be prickly, if not entertaining.
 
Meanwhile, at my local dealer....
 

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10 days before the judge either inks or doesn't ink the final draft. 10 days.

It is great that there are those that want a fixed/modified 2.0L TDI.
When I'm back this afternoon I'll ask them how many Touareg TDI's they have on the lot....
 
Mov'n On...

One more step, in closing out our TDI experience. We used it to flawlessly tow the race car.

So, goodbye Yellow Bird, off to a great new owner who will drive her like she was built to be driven, in the PCR 3.4L Vintage. 8 seasons of pure joy...

Btw, that my friends totally original (one of 500 made) '73 Carrera RS offering a fitting send off.
 

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