2011 Touareg w/ Supercharged V6
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The article mentions the Cayenne. Apparently, that isn't going to happen:
Porsche's Off-Message Models Axed in VW Takeover - Auto Observer
Porsche's Off-Message Models Axed in VW Takeover
August 31, 2009
Get a good look at the Porsche Cayenne SUV. In the wake of the bizarre German corporate
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soap opera whose end will soon see the absorption of Porsche AG into the mighty Volkswagen Group, the controversial Cayenne -- and even more astoundingly, the just-released Panamera four-door sport sedan -- has no future after VW takes over.
Such is the report from Britain's Car magazine, which says a "massive U-turn in Porsche's product plan" resulting from the bitter VW boardroom triumph means Porsche will be forced to discontinue the Cayenne and Panamera after their product cycles are complete around seven years from now.
"VW Group has plenty of SUVs and saloons [sedans] -- it doesn't need Porsche to build them," says the story, which should be music to the ears of Porsche faithful and critics who insist the tiny sports-carmaker did potentially irreparable harm to its brand by pasting the Porsche badge onto heavyweight off-roaders and sedans.
But all isn't totally jolly for those hoping for complete restoration of Porsche's independence and uniqueness. Under the seemingly more brand-protecting plan of VW chairman Ferdinand Piech, Porsche will get back to making only sports cars -- but probably will be sharing at least one platform with a future VW.
Piech fought back viciously against the improbable but almost-executed plan of now-ousted Porsche CEO Wendelin Wiedeking for tiny Porsche to grab control of VW. Now that he's won and Wiedeking -- the architect of Porsche's off-message forays into massive SUVs and sedans -- has been forced out, VW and its board, led by Piech, will be calling the shots. And Piech, an intensely product-focused engineer, seems to be intent on unraveling Wiedeking's initiatives to expand Porsche beyond two-door sports cars.
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But that doesn't mean Porsche won't be expanding at all. Car reports that the brand might use a version of VW's in-development Modular Sportscar Structure (MSS) for a future midengine, entry-level model below the current Boxster/Cayman that would be the spiritual successor to the first Porsche, the 356. Volkswagen's vision of a lightweight and comparatively affordable midengine roadster already has been previewed with the Bluesport concept, although that car is based on the underpinnings of the current Polo.
Porsche also reportedly will launch a new high-dollar supercar to follow up the Carrera GT, although VW watchers already have speculated endlessly about how the company that also owns Lamborghini, Bugatti and Audi AG -- all with vital products in the supercar segment -- will position a future Porsche entry into that league.
The backfiring fiscal overreach that almost brought VW under Porsche control isn't without certain non-product consequences. Qatar Holding LLC had planned to buy a hefty portion of Porsche to help the sports-carmaker out of the debt hole it dug in its aborted attempt to control VW, but instead hooked into a complex investment arrangement that will see the Qatar Emirate become VW's third-largest shareholder with about 17 percent of the company. The Qatar investment also will hold about 10 percent of Porsche Automobil Holding SE, Porsche holding company. Only the future will tell if the new investors plan to be of the "active" persuasion. -- Bill Visnic
Porsche's Off-Message Models Axed in VW Takeover - Auto Observer
Porsche's Off-Message Models Axed in VW Takeover
August 31, 2009
Get a good look at the Porsche Cayenne SUV. In the wake of the bizarre German corporate
Such is the report from Britain's Car magazine, which says a "massive U-turn in Porsche's product plan" resulting from the bitter VW boardroom triumph means Porsche will be forced to discontinue the Cayenne and Panamera after their product cycles are complete around seven years from now.
"VW Group has plenty of SUVs and saloons [sedans] -- it doesn't need Porsche to build them," says the story, which should be music to the ears of Porsche faithful and critics who insist the tiny sports-carmaker did potentially irreparable harm to its brand by pasting the Porsche badge onto heavyweight off-roaders and sedans.
But all isn't totally jolly for those hoping for complete restoration of Porsche's independence and uniqueness. Under the seemingly more brand-protecting plan of VW chairman Ferdinand Piech, Porsche will get back to making only sports cars -- but probably will be sharing at least one platform with a future VW.
Piech fought back viciously against the improbable but almost-executed plan of now-ousted Porsche CEO Wendelin Wiedeking for tiny Porsche to grab control of VW. Now that he's won and Wiedeking -- the architect of Porsche's off-message forays into massive SUVs and sedans -- has been forced out, VW and its board, led by Piech, will be calling the shots. And Piech, an intensely product-focused engineer, seems to be intent on unraveling Wiedeking's initiatives to expand Porsche beyond two-door sports cars.
Porsche also reportedly will launch a new high-dollar supercar to follow up the Carrera GT, although VW watchers already have speculated endlessly about how the company that also owns Lamborghini, Bugatti and Audi AG -- all with vital products in the supercar segment -- will position a future Porsche entry into that league.
The backfiring fiscal overreach that almost brought VW under Porsche control isn't without certain non-product consequences. Qatar Holding LLC had planned to buy a hefty portion of Porsche to help the sports-carmaker out of the debt hole it dug in its aborted attempt to control VW, but instead hooked into a complex investment arrangement that will see the Qatar Emirate become VW's third-largest shareholder with about 17 percent of the company. The Qatar investment also will hold about 10 percent of Porsche Automobil Holding SE, Porsche holding company. Only the future will tell if the new investors plan to be of the "active" persuasion. -- Bill Visnic
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Yet they've already acknowledged going "down scale" on the 2011 Treg so this apparently means no "up scale" SUV period?
Who knows . . . Though I still want a Touareg, sometimes I wonder why the way this company does things
Who knows . . . Though I still want a Touareg, sometimes I wonder why the way this company does things
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I have been wondering the same thing. How much luxury will be sacrificed for price on the new 2011 Touareg. Does this mean that the Touareg will go "down market" in price for 2011?Yet they've already acknowledged going "down scale" on the 2011 Treg so this apparently means no "up scale" SUV period?
Who knows . . . Though I still want a Touareg, sometimes I wonder why the way this company does things
VW needs to be careful that they do not reduce price as it will cannibalize the residual value of the current T-Reg's on the road. Just look at what happened to the current E-Class with their multi thousand dollar reduction in price. Benz did the same thing when they introduced the current generation SL.
On a positive note, take a look at the CC. VW can build a great looking vehicle with nice "luxury" and keep the price competitive.
I know that cars are not investments, yadda, yadda, yadda. But, I do not want to light $100 bills on fire, just because I can afford to do so.
What do you think is the right strategy for getting your T-Reg?
- Buy a 2010 or possibly order one to spec
- Buy a 2010 and wait for this time next year and hope for good incentives
- Buy a CPO Treg prior to 2011 hitting market
- Buy a CPO Treg before 2011 hits market
- Wait and buy a 2011 new
I think VW placed themselves in a precarious position with the Audi Q7. It only costs a few thousand more than a similarly loaded Treg so people that just want luxury are going to go for the Q7 (or the Cayenne). The people that want luxury and off-road in a vehicle gravitate towards the Range Rovers. Sure, these actions are based mostly on the car as a status symbol but that's America for you.
VW, as much as I love them, is not a status symbol. If it's anything, it's a statement that you don't want to buy a japanese car like everyone else on the road.
VW, as much as I love them, is not a status symbol. If it's anything, it's a statement that you don't want to buy a japanese car like everyone else on the road.
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Then there's weirdos like me that demand things like fuel efficiency with true offroad capability and some nice luxury appointments. All the other offerings are lacking in some or all of these areas.
I don't think the 2011 is going to float my boat at all from what I've read and seen thus far.
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If the rumor is true. The engine could be the current A6 3.0T. From all accounts, that engine is getting great reviews.
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When real world V6 TDI numbers are coming in at 20 city 30 h/w on a 5000 lb. SUV with plenty of offroad prowess, I call that fuel efficiency with offroad capability. Remember, the V10'ers are getting 23-24 on the h/w pretty regularly.
I'm surprised at that move - there's far more Cayennes around here than Touaregs or Q7s.
However, if that's the case, I can see VW dropping the Touareg altogether leaving only the Audi Q7. leave the sports cars to Porsche, Audi the upscale cars and SUVs, and have VW go back to its roots.
However, if that's the case, I can see VW dropping the Touareg altogether leaving only the Audi Q7. leave the sports cars to Porsche, Audi the upscale cars and SUVs, and have VW go back to its roots.
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I've never gotten 23-24 mpg highway with my V10. I doubt the V6 TDI would really get 30 mpg unless driven by an 80 year old woman on the plains of Kansas at 55 mph.
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The reports of the Pepper going away is the first time I'm actually questioning the future of the Touareg.
I've got a lot of questions for my VW peeps... I need to chat.
I've got a lot of questions for my VW peeps... I need to chat.
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And that would be me . . . an 80 year old woman in Kansas. Many other V10ers have indicated otherwise on this very forum and a recent thread from a new V6 TDI owner got 25mpg on a mostly 80mph cruise. And on a new diesel that will only get better with age. Imagine what it gets @ 70mph by a 50 year old man in Kansas? That would really be me!
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Sometimes you need it for on-road capability. On our plains, I packed my old Pathfinder's wheel wells so full of mud that the steering barely worked and the rear wheels rubbed on it all the way around (no more suspension travel) - and I could barely keep the vehicle moving despite 4WD - and could barely keep it from sliding into the ditch. It was a road in the middle of nowhere, under re-construction and after a major rain. You really learn to appreciate 4WD in conditions like that with no other traffic or humans around for 20 - 30 miles or more.
Here we go again with 30MPG TDIs...Canon not to be rude but lets get the rose colored glasses off..you are not going to consistently get 30MPG in a 5000# SUV. I get 40 MPG in a 3000# 4 cyl TDI. EVERYONE who has been reporting mileage on their V6 TDI for a few years now has given a range of 23-25MPG. Fantastic mileage for this sort of vehicle. Nobody has ever claimed 30MPG...so unless you have some pixie dust, I suspect you should be happily seeing the 23-25MPG everyone else gets.
I've gotten 28MPG a couple of times on some flat hwy, on cruise in my V8...so by your logic my V8 gets 28MPG. Spectacular for a 350 horsepower vehicle.
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Chill Nick, I'm just reporting what others have reported here and on Vortex. This has nothing to do with rose colored glasses or pixie dust. When you say everyone is consistently reporting 23-25mpg on their V6 TDIs, that's simply not true.
There are a number of V10'ers reporting 23-25 H/W mpg on this site. Why wouldn't you expect a V6 version to do better? Or are they all lying - a part of some oil burner mileage exaggeration conspiracy?
I think we're going to find out the truth, eventually . . .
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Good grief Canon, the people reporting that are resetting on the on ramp going east bound across Nebraska....and sitting gently at 70, which is not so bad in torquey vehicles with proper 6th gear.
I didn't know you were 50, so I apologize for the way I've bantered with you before. I do think you are wanting to see the v6 tdi for a little more than what it really is though - we all do it. I did with the v10, but reality is that mid 20's was very rare and only if you are "trying". Put anything on the roof and POOF, no more awesome mpg, just plain ole good mpg, considering the vehicle and physics.
Now, what is better than mpg? A 6spd manual controlling 400+ hp and appointed as nicely inside as the 2008+ Cayenne GTS. I had one overnight a month ago and almost bought it, solely for how fun it was (I would have sold the 21" wheels immediately and replaced with proper 18" and bfg's but otherwise, it was amazing.
Again, why don't you look for a used v10 or a Benz GL? The gl320 has enough 4x4 for what it sounds like you will really ever need and will tow anything much better than a short wheelbase Touareg. - I know, you hate the GL but it's a good value. They don't have to come with the stupid silver trim and stuff and look better without all that flashy crap anyway. The IL6 cdi is a good power-plant and the interior size is incomparable unless you go with an XL Denali or the like.
Just and fyi in case you didn't know...
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Where you been man? Was getting lonely round here without your rabblerousing . . .
As for the artificially inflated V10er numbers you're implying from others, I'll let then chime in on that. But I really think if you have a lead foot and drive 90 on the freeway, you "ain't gettin' good" mpg in whatever you drive. Most V10ers probably don't drive conservatively because they've got all the power under the hood. If you do, though, people seem to report 23-25 H/W, 18-22 City instead of the 15-20 rating.
We, [you know being 50 and all], spend most our highway time in the 65-75mph range here in Kansas. Higher Cop per capita ratio it seems. If I want to drive fast or aggressively, I'll go get the 442 out of the garage. Not buying this SUV to race people and regularly driving highspeed in a high COG 5000 lb. vehicle is just one blowout away from disaster. But, that's just me . . .
I fully suspect that under these conditions the V6 TDI at least when broken in will approach if not surpass 30mpg. Others have already reported this. Still others have reported 25 @ 85mph. So, 30 at 70 sounds reasonable. Don't know what their initiative to lie about it would be?? Again, the V6 TDIers can chime in on that.
I believe this dialogue belongs in the "Mileage V10 V6" thread though where these numbers are being reported. Don't know how it got moved up here?
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