Club Touareg Forum banner
41 - 60 of 63 Posts
So I guess you were in Quebec/Montreal. Oldest (white) cities in North America - so there are still some areas where homes are made european style: Throw concrete at the problem.

The whole condescension and perspective thing about "better taste" aside, it's a question of values, not taste. If it were true about taste, I'd still maintain that you wouldn't see all the jettas you see here.

Those cars are really crappy.
Yes, I was in Montreal. (I remember vividly, because Montreal airport is the only Flughafen where I was charged upon arrival, some "passenger fees" were paid in cash.) I have been in New Orleans twice. Despite Louisiana is a former French colony it doesn't resemble Europe like Quebec do. Taste and values are so contentious subjects. Conversation can easily go awry.
 
You sure it's 50 a month up here? Maybe specific trim models? I know that an execline was really hard for me to find, but comfortline/highline are a dime a dozen.

The stealership I bought my TDI at was in the midst of finalizing 3 of them just in the two weeks I was negotiating their demo TDI, which makes 4. And this dealer is out in the frikkin sticks. The stealership I usually deal with had 2 sitting in the lot waiting on delivery when I first went to see them.

Beyond that, keep in mind that there must have been a solid chunk of Canadians buying US VW's - I ALMOST did it in 2007 when the CAD was higher than USD... Until I found out VWoA had really dumb packaging for MKV GTI options.
The number ranges between 50 and 200 a month but typically falls somewhere in between. They sold around 2000 in 2015 in Canada which was a great year, that said I heard there was a major buy-up of 3.0 diesels in between the 2.0 and 3.0 announcements.
 
Discussion starter · #43 ·
In yet another article about VW's new SUV's being introduced soon, the author writes:

"The as yet unnamed mid-size SUV is one of four new crossovers VW is planning to introduce — to complement the Tiguan and Touareg — over the next few years.

This includes a sub-compact crossover and a compact model that will both slot in below the next generation Tiguan in the model hierarchy. The new mid-size crossover, built exclusively for the US and the China markets, will be positioned between the Tiguan and the Touareg

The new Chattanooga-built SUV will allows VW to recast its capable, but slow-selling Touareg as a niche performance SUV. After all, lurking underneath the Touareg's VW body is a Porsche developed SUV."

If the new Touareg is going to be a "niche Performance SUV" what power plants do you suppose VW will offer that will provide high performance?
.
 
Discussion starter · #45 ·
It already is a niche, performance oriented SUV. 3.0L Gas 3.0L Gas Hybrid combo 3.6L VR6 Gas No chance of a TDI, or the V8 in the states unless a miracle happens which I find unlikely.
First of all, the Touareg is definitely not marketed as a performance SUV. Second, it does not have the HP or acceleration of a performance SUV. Third, the Touareg is not offered with a 3.0 gas or a Hybrid, only a 3.6 VR6 (280HP) and 3.0 TDI (240 HP). Neither of these motors have the HP of a performance SUV or acceleration of a performance SUV.

A performance SUV would be the Cayenne Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes GL AMG and Range Rover Sport. These all have over 500 HP and 0-60 times in the 4 second range.

I'm not implying that VW is going to match these numbers with the new Touareg but if they are planning to market the Touareg as a performance SUV, they are going to have to offer a motor that has more than 280 HP.
.
 
A performance SUV would be the Cayenne Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes GL AMG and Range Rover Sport. These all have over 500 HP and 0-60 times in the 4 second range.
That's a pretty steep list to compete with. Can you say "Phaeton"? History has proven that a $80,000 Volkswagen isn't exactly a seller. Seriously...it's not. This market barely supports the Touareg now.

Why, when the Porsche dealer has Performance SUV covered, and has the bona fides to compete with "M" and "AMG".

Drop a V8 in the Q7? Maybe. Just maybe. The brand badge covers it within reason.

In a VW.....come on?! Really? A VW?
 
First of all, the Touareg is definitely not marketed as a performance SUV. Second, it does not have the HP or acceleration of a performance SUV. Third, the Touareg is not offered with a 3.0 gas or a Hybrid, only a 3.6 VR6 (280HP) and 3.0 TDI (240 HP). Neither of these motors have the HP of a performance SUV or acceleration of a performance SUV.

A performance SUV would be the Cayenne Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes GL AMG and Range Rover Sport. These all have over 500 HP and 0-60 times in the 4 second range.

I'm not implying that VW is going to match these numbers with the new Touareg but if they are planning to market the Touareg as a performance SUV, they are going to have to offer a motor that has more than 280 HP.
.
It's natural that VW Group position the Cayenne, Q7 and Touareg differently - whilst there are overlaps there's no point competing against other group models.

I chose Touareg because it suits my current needs - the Q7 and Cayenne don't meet those needs - long may that continue and if my needs change I might buy a Cayenne next time!
 
Discussion starter · #48 ·
That's a pretty steep list to compete with. Can you say "Phaeton"? History has proven that a $80,000 Volkswagen isn't exactly a seller. Seriously...it's not. This market barely supports the Touareg now. Why, when the Porsche dealer has Performance SUV covered, and has the bona fides to compete with "M" and "AMG". Drop a V8 in the Q7? Maybe. Just maybe. The brand badge covers it within reason. In a VW.....come on?! Really? A VW?
Multiple sources are saying the new Touareg is going to be rebranded a performance SUV. You can't just have the marketing department start calling it a performance SUV, they have to make it a performance SUV. How are they going to do that?
.
 
That's a pretty steep list to compete with. Can you say "Phaeton"? History has proven that a $80,000 Volkswagen isn't exactly a seller. Seriously...it's not. This market barely supports the Touareg now.

Why, when the Porsche dealer has Performance SUV covered, and has the bona fides to compete with "M" and "AMG".

Drop a V8 in the Q7? Maybe. Just maybe. The brand badge covers it within reason.

In a VW.....come on?! Really? A VW?
Old VW maybe. The VW that we're about to see when dieselgate settles? I highly doubt it. Hope we even get a next-gen Touareg.
 
Discussion starter · #50 ·
Are you guys reading the articles about all the new SUVs that VW is planning to launch? They claim there will be a grocery getter in the $40k range and the Touareg will be bumped up to a performance SUV. A writer for car and driver says a gas V8 is a possibility.

Do they have it all wrong?
.
 
I read 'em. Don't know what to think. Some writers get it wrong. Just not buying the early hype at this point. I'm all for what is outlined according to the article, though. Could be the Touareg stays the way it is and VW just markets it as performance...forget about comparing it to Porsche, etc.
 
Discussion starter · #52 ·
I read 'em. Don't know what to think. Some writers get it wrong. Just not buying the early hype at this point. I'm all for what is outlined according to the article, though. Could be the Touareg stays the way it is and VW just markets it as performance...forget about comparing it to Porsche, etc.
Well according this article, production begins for the mid level SUV at Chattanooga this year and they are to be in dealerships early 2017.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/vws-m...JEDJX1jwALxOamolQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByYnR1Zmd1BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--

Marketing the Touareg as a performance SUV with its current engines is a joke. You can call a mouse a rat all you want but the fact still remains that it's a mouse.
.
 
Yes, the CrossBlue concept is now a reality. I just wouldn't put too much into an article that calls the Touareg a performance SUV. Too much hype on all things VW SUVs and these auto mags are the leading edge of hype.

I do think the Touareg is sorta of a performance vehicle with the TDI but it's not a Range Rover, etc. and never will be...the way I like it.
 
This speculation has me a bit worried. I'm not interested in a "Performance" SUV. SUV's are too heavy. If I wanted performance, I'd just get a Boxter S.

If they change it, I'd like to see a 2-speed transfer case, air suspension, and a full-size spare tire. I think it's VERY unlikely they will offer any of those things though.
 
This speculation has me a bit worried. I'm not interested in a "Performance" SUV. SUV's are too heavy. If I wanted performance, I'd just get a Boxter S.

If they change it, I'd like to see a 2-speed transfer case, air suspension, and a full-size spare tire. I think it's VERY unlikely they will offer any of those things though.
I agree. "Performance SUV" is a bit of an oxymoron. I also wish (because I don't see it happening) for similar off road capabilities as the T1/2.

Doesn't VW have a prototype 500 hp 3.0 VR6 TT they were working on???? That might be interesting...

I love the V8 and will never unload mine. Ever. Unfortunately, I don't see this (or any VW 8 cylinder) returning as the US has become infested with stupid when it comes to the internal combustion engine...
 
Road and Track May, 2016, in it's cars worth waiting, for details a 2018 Audi Q7 equipped with a 4.0 liter diesel V8, triple turbo (one electric) producing 435 hp and 664 pound feet torque. No info on towing or suspension but it looks like the VW Group will have some capable SUVs in the line up.
 
Destined for the US and Canada? Or, ROW?
 
Interesting. I thought it meant everywhere but here. Time will tell. Should would be great.
 
2017 Audi SQ7 TDI: The High-Voltage Diesel SUV

Complexity, Audi is thy name.






Official Photos and Info
Audi’s ultimate hedge against the alternative-fuel future is offering every possible type of powertrain. In Europe, various members of the Audi lineup can run on natural gas, hydrogen, electricity, gasoline, or diesel, and there are all sorts of hybrids across varying body styles. The brand’s latest entry is a high-performance diesel SUV, the SQ7 TDI, which blends proven, decades-old technology with a complex, state-of-the-art forced-induction system. Admit it, your mutual funds aren’t this well diversified.

Before we go any further, know that Audi is committed to bringing this diesel ute to America—and ensuring it is squeaky clean per EPA regulations. Well, eventually. (The official line from Audi USA: “It has not been approved by the board, but we are optimistic.”) The moratorium on sales of the Volkswagen Group’s diesel vehicles is still in place as of this writing, and potential fines and the results of ongoing litigation remain unknowns, but that doesn’t mean diesel is dead here. Besides, Audi wants to show Americans it has more to offer green-leaners than the plug-in-hybrid A3 e-tron and the Q5 hybrid. Like, for instance, a seven-passenger SUV with 664 lb-ft of torque.



Electric Superchargers and 48-Volt Electrical Systems Have Arrived

We’re fans of the all-new Q7, as evidenced by its comparison-test victory against the Volvo XC90, BMW X5, and Range Rover Sport. For now, the regular Q7 offers only a supercharged 3.0-liter V-6 with 333 horsepower and 325 lb-ft of torque. While that engine is strong and refined, the SQ7 TDI looks to build on the Q7 experience with stupefying levels of speed and efficiency.

The SQ7’s 4.0-liter diesel V-8 makes 435 horsepower and 664 lb-ft of torque between 1000 and 3250 rpm by employing two turbochargers as well as, for the first time ever in a production car, an electric supercharger. Audi demonstrated this setup on an RS5 TDI prototype we drove in 2014, and the long-awaited promise of turbocharged engines with zero lag may finally be here. Unlike a conventional supercharger, which is powered via a pulley attached to the crankshaft, Audi’s electric unit is spooled by a 7-kW DC motor essentially taking the place of a turbocharger’s turbine. The motor is connected to the compressor via a shaft, and it’s neither exhaust-driven like a turbocharger nor crank-driven like a supercharger. It can spin up to 70,000 rpm in less than a quarter of a second. This kind of power draw would be too taxing to a traditional 12-volt system, so the SQ7 TDI also is fitted with a 48-volt lithium-ion battery under the cargo floor that can output up to 13 kilowatts of electrical power at a moment’s notice.
Audi connects the 48-volt subsystem to the standard 12-volt system (which uses a conventional lead-acid battery) via a DC-DC converter and a 3-kW generator. Here, as opposed to diodes converting AC to DC current, a metal-oxide semiconductor field-effect transistor (or MOSFET, same as the semiconductors working wonders on your computer’s motherboard) handles the job with greater efficiency. The 48-volt battery also reduces the 12-volt system’s load at varying times.



This is a hyper-complicated way of saying the SQ7 TDI’s supercharger requires no engine power to deliver full boost. As engine speeds increase, sequential turbos take over. Each is fed by one exhaust valve of each cylinder. At low rpm, only one turbo spins as half the valves remain closed. As engine speed rises, the other valves begin to operate as normal, feeding the other turbo exhaust energy, and the electric supercharger is no longer needed. The eight-speed automatic gets sportier programming, too, with Audi predicting a zero-to-62-mph time of 4.8 seconds and a governed top speed of 155 mph. Your eyeballs are probably out of breath at this point, but hang in there.
The Handling’s Electric, Too

You may be wondering what else Audi uses those available 13 kilowatts from the 48-volt battery to power. Well, it also delivers juice to the active anti-roll bars, which Audi elegantly calls “electromechanical active roll stabilization.” In principle, they’re not much different from a hydraulically actuated active anti-roll-bar setup, in that they can quickly stiffen the bars to reduce body roll in hard corners or loosen them for comfort during straight-line cruising. But Audi’s anti-roll bars take after those used in the new Bentley Bentayga, which splice an electric motor and gearset between the two ends.
Of course, Audi claims the high electrical current makes its active anti-roll bars quicker to respond, including at low speeds. Four-wheel steering (the rear wheels can turn up to five degrees) and a sport-tuned adaptive air suspension are standard, while a torque-vectoring Quattro sport rear differential is optional. Given the 285-section-width tires, and especially when outfitted with optional carbon-ceramic brakes, we expect no less than thoroughly scintillating dynamic performance for a vehicle this size.



It Gets Simpler From Here On Out

As a card-carrying member of Audi’s S model lineup, the SQ7 TDI’s visuals are pretty discreet. The side mirrors wear the usual silver caps. The trapezoidal grille, flanked between LED headlamps with “double arrow” running lamps, is painted matte gray to match the rear “underbody guard.” The spidery 20-inch wheels (22s are optional) are gray. The quad-tip exhaust is the key tell, outside of the badges. How does it sound? The SQ7 mounts external speakers by the tailpipes—yes, we’ve come to that point—to wash out the diesel clatter. We heard it on the RS5 TDI, and the effect there is (almost) like revving an RS7.
Analog gauges with gray faces, a flat-bottomed steering wheel, aluminum pedals and trim, diamond-stitched leather seats, and microsuede on the door panels and headliner complete the S trimmings inside. Brown leather and copper-woven carbon-fiber trim are among the many upgrades, including a 1920-watt Bang & Olufsen audio system.
The SQ7 goes on sale in Europe this spring, but U.S. timing, pricing, and fuel economy are currently unknown. We’d give you the European figures, but they’re essentially worthless given the major differences in pricing structures and efficiency test cycles. Once the diesel smoke clears and Audi can move its grounded inventory, expect the SQ7 TDI (and perhaps the plug-in Q7 e-tron TDI) to hit our shores. We look forward to it.
 
41 - 60 of 63 Posts