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VW faces looming deadline as potential costs of scandal mount - FT.com
As Volkswagen scrambles to meet a deadline this week to finalise a fix for almost 600,000 cars in the US equipped with test-cheating software, many industry insiders are sceptical that an engineering solution is possible.

“[VW] tried to sell [the affair] as a misunderstanding, while the Americans clearly saw it as fraud,” says Ms Boote. “The mood was that this isn’t a major issue. VW probably thought they would find a quick fix.”
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VW: We salute your quick fix with the following video.
 
#4,242 ·
Just read that VW sold 987,000 vehicles worldwide in March, a drop of 0.2%....ummm, no wonder they don't seem to give a ****e about the EPA
 
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If Audi and Porsche sales dropped, Germany would care.
Since it was only VW sales that fell... :(
 
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Since the US has never been anything big for VW it's no big deal that they sell 25% less cars here. I see them as just going back to the condition they were in before the TDI introduction. I really have no interest in any Non diesel VW,so I will go elsewhere when the time comes.
 
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Bonuses are for when everyone has worked hard and contributed to the organization meeting and exceeding its goals.

Bonuses aren't for when a few managers have had to work real hard spinning a disaster that they helped make in the first place.
 
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Oregon TDI said:
Bonuses are for when everyone has worked hard and contributed to the organization meeting and exceeding its goals.

Bonuses aren't for when a few managers have had to work real hard spinning a disaster that they helped make in the first place.
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Well said. I would think bonuses would have very much been deserved had new management taken this bull by the horns, engineered a fix in short order, and came together with a definitive repair and owner comp plan. Paying out bonuses just says that even in the worst of times having missed the boat completely, we still get paid. Talk about sending the wrong message......
 
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Oregon TDI said:
Bonuses are for when everyone has worked hard and contributed to the organization meeting and exceeding its goals.

Bonuses aren't for when a few managers have had to work real hard spinning a disaster that they helped make in the first place.
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The Germans think very, very differently about the concept of bonuses. It is far less discretionary or performance based, and more akin to entitlement. They have strict laws around bonus payouts.

In my industry, we use a lot of German manufacturing equipment, and corresponding consultants. It's interesting to talk to them about differences in the treatment of labor, salaries, bonuses, etc.
 
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Report: VW workers used code words to talk of emissions cheat | LeftLaneNews

The revelation, reported by Bloomberg, represents another potential factor that could hinder VW's internal investigation. Approximately 450 investigators are said to be investigating the matter, focusing on correspondence between 20 employees.

In an apparent attempt to obfuscate the project's true nature, it was allegedly referred to by the monicker "acoustic software" or dozens of other misleading terms. Sources claim the practice has complicated VW's efforts to identify and punish all workers directly involved in the scandal. Code words also presumably prevented investigators from easily searching for relevant documents.


The referenced Bloomberg article:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s/articles/2016-04-19/vw-cheating-code-words-said-to-complicate-emissions-probe
 
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Oregon TDI said:
Report: VW workers used code words to talk of emissions cheat | LeftLaneNews

The revelation, reported by Bloomberg, represents another potential factor that could hinder VW's internal investigation. Approximately 450 investigators are said to be investigating the matter, focusing on correspondence between 20 employees.

In an apparent attempt to obfuscate the project's true nature, it was allegedly referred to by the monicker "acoustic software"...
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Surprisingly appropriate. That "acoustic software" has generated a lot of noise!
 
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Oregon TDI said:
Report: VW workers used code words to talk of emissions cheat | LeftLaneNews

The revelation, reported by Bloomberg, represents another potential factor that could hinder VW's internal investigation. Approximately 450 investigators are said to be investigating the matter, focusing on correspondence between 20 employees.

In an apparent attempt to obfuscate the project's true nature, it was allegedly referred to by the monicker "acoustic software" or dozens of other misleading terms. Sources claim the practice has complicated VW's efforts to identify and punish all workers directly involved in the scandal. Code words also presumably prevented investigators from easily searching for relevant documents.


The referenced Bloomberg article:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-04-19/vw-cheating-code-words-said-to-complicate-emissions-probe
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Lol...you mean they didn't have a giant file labeled "EPA EMISSIONS CHEAT SOFTWARE CODE AND RELATED ATTRIBUTABLE CORRESPONDENCE (DON'T SHOW THIS TO THE EPA)" behind a door labeled "EPA KEEP OUT - DEFEAT DEVICE TEAM EYES ONLY"?

Huh.
 
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VW Owners Seek Trial If There's No Fix in Emissions Case - ABC News

Lawyers representing thousands of people who own diesel Volkswagens that cheat on emissions tests are asking a judge to order repairs and compensation if the company and government regulators don't agree to a fix by Thursday.

The request was made in a proposed agenda for hearing Thursday before Senior U.S. District Court Judge Charles Breyer in San Francisco.

It says the owners want an expedited hearing or a trial before the judge to get an order for "equitable relief" that would begin in July. Or they want a full trial that would include punitive damages against VW in the same time frame.
 
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VW Owners Seek Trial If There's No Fix in Emissions Case - ABC News

Lawyers representing thousands of people who own diesel Volkswagens that cheat on emissions tests are asking a judge to order repairs and compensation if the company and government regulators don't agree to a fix by Thursday.

The request was made in a proposed agenda for hearing Thursday before Senior U.S. District Court Judge Charles Breyer in San Francisco.

It says the owners want an expedited hearing or a trial before the judge to get an order for "equitable relief" that would begin in July. Or they want a full trial that would include punitive damages against VW in the same time frame.
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BAH HAAHAHAHAHAHA *gasp* HAHAHAHAHAAaaaa...

No. EPA and CARB are driving this bus, folks. We're all along for the ride....
 
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Ha. That statement is lawyers being lawyers. They have to say that.

On that report about Audi writing "emissions defeat software" in 1999... That fact by itself doesn't mean squat (if it's even fact). Of course automakers write test code to enable/disable stuff during vehicle development. As long as they don't put it in production vehicles, the mere existence of the, ahem, "acoustic software", means nothing.

Also, I thought it was Bosch that wrote the original software? Did the current engine management systems (ECUs) even exist in 1999? I kind of doubt it.
 
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Oregon TDI said:
Did the current engine management systems (ECUs) even exist in 1999?
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1996

All cars and light trucks built and sold in the United States after January 1, 1996 were required to be OBD II equipped. In general, this means all 1996 model year cars and light trucks are compliant, even if built in late 1995.
 
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1996 All cars and light trucks built and sold in the United States after January 1, 1996 were required to be OBD II equipped. In general, this means all 1996 model year cars and light trucks are compliant, even if built in late 1995.
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I stand corrected on the date.

On the software side you can meet OBD II compliance on many different hardware platforms. For example, it's very unlikely that a Chevy Tahoe uses the same ECU hardware platform as a Touareg. Yet they're both producing data output that's OBD II compatible. Think Windows vs OS X. Very different but both produce the same results via software, like web browsers.

So I'm wondering how software supposedly written by Audi for hardware available in 1996 could possibly run on a 2009-2016 TDI that uses Bosch hardware.

"I could be wrong"
 
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The b5 a4/s4 produced from 97-01 used a Bosch Me7 ecu. Bosch has been the ecu supplier for vag for many years iirc.

So a more comparable example would be software written for Windows 95 that is being run in Windows 7. Highly unlikely that it would work as it was written but after some modifications it would likely run.
 
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