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This went way left off topic. But on electric cars. tesla nailed it. They are not cheap but they are exclusive You basically get a car that saves you around $300 month on fuel which makes sense for a lot of people. Next year when the Model 3 hits the market Tesla will be one of the biggest car manufacturers on the planet. A $35 K car threat requires no fuel... Mind blowing.
Quite the contrary, this thread is evolving naturally and aligned to the original subject, energy production and emissions for vechicles, and what happens when you cheat on the rules ;)

Having driven an S for 100 miles, got to say the instant on power band, and crazy low center of gravity makes it a hoot to drive. That said, its technology is not unique, or hardly revolutionary.

Wait until the Porsche Mission e hits the showroom, bye-bye exclusivity. Porsche dominated world racing (in its second season) in a gas/elecrtic hybrid. Same scenario with the plug in diesel/electric Audi Q7, already available ROW. It gets 100 mpg, 1000 mile range, more cargo space, 4 wheel steering, 4CAir, but no 3rd row (battery takes the leg space), than the X. And they won at LeMans (what 3 times?) with a diesel/electric power plant. These vechicles will hurt his exclusive luxury sales...

And as far as the Model 3, he's not making money on +$100K cars, good luck at $35K. People that can spend $100K on a vehicle don't worry about monthly fuel bills. Remember the energy required to charge his cars (unless you are your own solar power plant) is neither free or environmentally conscious.

What Tesla did really right, is the sales and service client experience. The remote diagnosistics and repair features are truly revolutionary and client friendly. My friend whos S I drove was out-of-town and had its charge run out at LAX. They notified him, found out his return date and had his S fully charged on his return. All free...

Still believe the 3.0L TDI will be found to be one of the most fuel efficient, emissions effective, power units available. Time to turn the same "energy produced/per emissions spewed" guns on gassers and CO2...
 
Changing the subject...
The most recent news releases tend to combine the 2.0 and 3.0 TDI issues as one. I'm not terribly worried about the fate of my "12" Golf TDI. Great car and whatever happens - happens. My concern is strictly on the progress of the 3.0 TDI "FIX", my Touareg still sits at the port since October 30th. Does anyone have any information on the fate of the Audi fix that was presented in late November?
I have been under the impression a response from the EPA was expected by the 23rd.
Thanks
 
Changing the subject...
The most recent news releases tend to combine the 2.0 and 3.0 TDI issues as one. I'm not terribly worried about the fate of my "12" Golf TDI. Great car and whatever happens - happens. My concern is strictly on the progress of the 3.0 TDI "FIX", my Touareg still sits at the port since October 30th. Does anyone have any information on the fate of the Audi fix that was presented in late November?
I have been under the impression a response from the EPA was expected by the 23rd.
Thanks
I dont think you willbe getting car soon..might want to get your money back..
 
Thanks for the recommendation regarding funds, but no money on the line.
Now, the 20 BUSINESS days - that does make sense, my feeble mind automatically calculated calendar days.
I would really like to see the 3.0 fix go thru, separate from the 2.0 fandango, so I can complete this transaction. Anticipating significant discounting.
Appreciate you both taking the time to respond.
 
Here are three pics of the Model X:
The hilarity of Tesla and those ridiculous "Falcon" rear doors knows no bounds. As of today there is still no spec on the height of the doors when fully open.
https://www.teslamotors.com/support/model-x-specifications

Why would anybody want to know if their $100K truck will fit into their garage? Not to mention how useless those doors will be when it is raining.
Maybe Tesla only plans to sell the X in areas that have no precipitation and wind. Maybe they have developed a force field to keep the rain out, although that might lower the range.........

So arrogant.
 
The door height and swing adjust via sensors. Vehicle can be parked normally between cars. Lots videos on YouTube. I wouldn't call it arrogance just not thorough in explanation and Tesla should tout it. In any event, I'm skeptical on those doors.
 
The door height and swing adjust via sensors. Vehicle can be parked normally between cars. Lots videos on YouTube. I wouldn't call it arrogance just not thorough in explanation and Tesla should tout it. In any event, I'm skeptical on those doors.
Not putting the height of the doors when open in the corp website spec is pretty arrogant, especially at this stage of the game. It is pretty much a done deal.
 
Not putting the height of the doors when open in the corp website spec is pretty arrogant, especially at this stage of the game. It is pretty much a done deal.
The height adjusts to the surroundings. It is not a fixed height. Tesla should provide max height, though. Same for how wide it opens.
 
This went way left off topic. But on electric cars. tesla nailed it. They are not cheap but they are exclusive You basically get a car that saves you around $300 month on fuel which makes sense for a lot of people. Next year when the Model 3 hits the market Tesla will be one of the biggest car manufacturers on the planet. A $35 K car threat requires no fuel... Mind blowing. Not like a Prius that runs around town with the headlights off at night to save power. Tesla rules the market. HM screwed up with the Volt and charging $57 K Canadian for a Chevy Cruz. If they take my TDI and throw a Tesla power plant in it. I'm all in. I've driven a tesla. It is fast lots of torque and soooo smooth. I do love my TDI. But at 360 pages on this forum , I think we have all gone off topic. Maybe lets go to page One. Start over on the topic. Or is this a Guinness record
In Ontario, power delivery and kWh rates are so high, at current gas prices a gas powered vehicle with similar performance is less costly to run than a tesla.

And what makes you think power producers won't hike up power costs once more electric cars plug in?

There is no free lunch.
 
Wait until 10 million Californians arrive home at the end of the work day and plug their e-cars into the grid. Today's brown outs will be the good old days when the infrastructure could almost keep up!
Again,
There is no free lunch!
 
Wait until 10 million Californians arrive home at the end of the work day and plug their e-cars into the grid. Today's brown outs will be the good old days when the infrastructure could almost keep up! Again, There is no free lunch!
This is a real problem, but one that can be worked out over a long period of time. Like decades. Will require lots of investment in upgraded infrastructure.
 
No Free Lunch? Unless yur ISIS and like nuke plants proliferating more and more with meager security.
I'm not sure if you actually know how secure nuke plants are or you're just trolling.

If so, please try and 'infiltrate' a nuke plant.

As a nuke plant worker, I'd love to see a bunch of electric cars and carbon caps. It would finally reinvigorate our industry.
 
And what makes you think power producers won't hike up power costs once more electric cars plug in? There is no free lunch.
My solar panels produce more power than I ever use. If you live in the tropic zone, it may make sense to own a plug in e-car.
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