5,500 lbs empty but 6,500 lbs full.

What are you towing?

Can you redistribute weight towards the rear of the trailer?

 

I have a weight distribution kit. I have a travel trailer 9m long!

 

So even with a weight distribution hitch you are 400 kgs overweight on the rear axle.

So I am still asking, is there anything heavy you can move to the rear of the trailer to ty and get the rig more in valance.

Or get rid of the two fatso's in the back seat?!!?

 

So even with a weight distribution hitch you are 400 kgs overweight on the rear axle.

So I am still asking, is there anything heavy you can move to the rear of the trailer to ty and get the rig more in valance.

Of get rid of the two fatso's in the back seat?!!?

No, sorry. I can't move anything! What solution do I have?

 

Expedite the Expedition?

 

Ford Expedition tow 9300 lbs and he had 8 places

 

What's the tongue weight of the trailer?

 

15% of his weight! (6600lbs x15% = 1000lbs aprox (450kg))
i try to distribute the luggage weight in rear of a trailer but it is difficult because of the configuration of travel trailer. All the luggages compartiments are in front of a trailer : beetween the tonque and the trailer axles.

 

Can you raise the hitch height? So long as you do not go past level, you may be able to shift weight rearward. Isn't max tongue weight on treg 660 pounds?Bulletproof hitch

 

my Treg and my travel trailer are perfectly horizontally! i have a special Hitch with weight distribution kit.

 

Nobody will go to court as an expert witness and say it was okay to run a vehicle 370kg over its rated limit. You can adjust your weight distribution bars to move 100kg of that weight to the front axle. Also, you can move cargo that normally resides in the vehicle (suitcases and even the car's spare tire) into the rear of the trailer. End of the day, you have 400kg of people in a car with 500kg of payload, leaving 100kg for your WD hitch and trailer tongue.

Do your homework before jumping to an Expedition or Suburban. Even with a Max-Tow package, the cargo capacity of an Expedition is around 700 - 750 kg. Some are even less than that. My math says you have about 830kg +/- between passengers and tongue weight. Some 1/2 ton pick-ups can handle that weight.

 

Thanks buckwheat,
I don't know how to adjust the weight distribution bars to move 100kg of that weight to the front axle. I don't have any cargo in my Treg, only the 4 people and the weight of the trailer.

The Expedition is bigger, he tow 9300 lbs, he had +1000 lbs at GVWR. I don't know. If I put a coil Sumosprings can i make my rear suspension better?

 

Or just move the axles forward on the trailer!

 

ha ha ha! can you do it for me!

 

Does your TReg manual state WDH is allowed. T1 manual says no.

 

Same with all Touaregs

 

Let's get some details.
Is your TW measured or assumed?
Do you not have a battery and one or two propane bottles on the tongue of the trailer?
Where is your water tank in respect to the axles, and are you travelling with it full or empty?
Is there a trailer hitch on the back of the trailer?

 

Let's get some details.
Is your TW measured or assumed? MEASURED
Do you not have a battery and one or two propane bottles on the tongue of the trailer? YES
Where is your water tank in respect to the axles, and are you travelling with it full or empty? WATER TANK IS IN THE REAR PART, AFTER THE AXLES AND IS 2/3 EMPTY
Is there a trailer hitch on the back of the trailer? NON, NO TRAILER HITCH IN THE BACK OF THE TRAILER

 

While there is generally an engineering margin built into the weight ratings of your vehicle, I would say you are playing with breaking something by overloading it like you are. And, of course, things never break at a convenient time, they always break at the worst possible time! Knowing this, how can you have piece of mind towing with your Treg? A RAM pickup with the ECO Diesel will do the job much better of towing (it's a beast!) and will be more comfortable for everyone as the rear seat is ginormous. Of course, there are other options, but my point is that you should get the right tool for the job.

 

what do you think about Ford Expedition (3.5 L V6)with heavy towing package (536)?

 

And I'm sure you also realize that your hitch is not suited for what you're towing right?

 

The GVWR of my trailer is 7700 lbs and the trailer ball is 7500lbs. I supposed the tongue weight is 15% of the trailer weight.

 

You are gonna be way over your payload capacity for the vehicle once you factor in passengers and gear. 600kg max for our vehicles and you've already eaten that up in tongue weight on the trailer.

Moving weight away from the tongue will only increase your likelihood of sway on an already overloaded trailer. It seems like you are asking for trouble.

If you do try it, it will likely be such a miserable experience, you will never want to do it again. I'd recommend to get a vehicle with a higher payload or buy a smaller trailer.

 

You are gonna be way over your payload capacity for the vehicle once you factor in passengers and gear. 600kg max for our vehicles and you've already eaten that up in tongue weight on the trailer.

Moving weight away from the tongue will only increase your likelihood of sway on an already overloaded trailer. It seems like you are asking for trouble.

If you do try it, it will likely be such a miserable experience, you will never want to do it again. I'd recommend to get a vehicle with a higher payload or buy a smaller trailer.

what do you thing for Ford Expedition with heavytowing package?

 

https://www.etrailer.com/faq-how-to-determine-trailer-tongue-weight.aspx

 

Travel safely with just the four of you in the Touareg, leave the trailer at home.and stay in hotels!

 

Look at your trailer's frontal area.... I'm guessing it's too much for the Ford based on their specs!

 

You know solving this can be pretty simple if you are willing to have a chaser vehicle (even a small one to take the passengers, some luggage, and stuff). We have a large family and a huge trailer that is at the max, but because we have a chaser vehicle we have no issues as the five other family members, our water, large dog, and some luggage are in the chaser vehicle. Drives beautifully and it is quite inside when I am driving now 😜 ha ha ha! Another nice trade off.

 

Strikes me this discussion is getting complicated. You need two sets of measurements (weights) to sort out if you are safe and / or legal. Firstly, with van attached to car and both fully loaded / fuelled / watered etc in your configuration, weight on front axle, rear axle and van axle. Each of those has a maximum that cannot legally be exceeded. Plus in most jurisdictions there is a combined vehicle mass that is also stipulated. You are either under or over, simple.
Secondly, weight at van towball. Should be in the rough order of 10% of total van weight to maintain stability. If both of those pass muster, you are free to go on the road having a good time.
I doubt that anyone here would knowingly board a plane or ship that was not correctly trimmed and weight managed but so many don't see the consequences of that principle to road users.
I see the suggestions of using a Ram or some other such utility vehicle, you may as well get a motorhome and be done with it if that is the only solution.

 

You seem to be very reluctant to even start trying to get your trailer weight better balanced.

You keep asking questions about the Ford Expedition.

I think you would be better off asking those questions on the appropriate Ford forum where Expedition owners might be more able to help you with their knowledge of that vehicle.

 

Stop guessing and just know your tongue weight.

Weigh Safe Drop Hitch

The only hitch with a built in scale for measuring tongue weight!

www.weigh-safe.com

Shift the load and dial in the tongue weight to the allowable amount for the vehicle. However that is really mute since not only are you overloading the tongue weight but you are almost certainly exceeding the GVWR unless your passengers are wafer thin models. Figure the average weight at 180lbs per person, plus the max tongue weight........forget cargo, if you stop at Wendy's for a burger and fries you will pop the GVWR.

I personally run 10% tongue weight on my rig to manage my GVWR as well, I have no sway issues but mine is an open deck dovetail with a car on it not a full travel trailer. It's also super easy to adjust my tongue weight with load shifting since my load is on wheels lol Either way, the specifications for the tongue and GVWR are not a recommendation and if it suits you so you can ignore them if you really need to do something different. Travelling at 1000lbs tongue and well over GVWR is unsafe for yourself and for everyone around you.

If you can't make your load fit within the specified ratings of the vehicle.......you need A) a different tow vehicle B) a different trailer or C) wafer thin model friends.

You seem to be very reluctant to even start trying to get your trailer weight better balanced.

You keep asking questions about the Ford Expedition.

I think you would be better off asking those questions on the appropriate Ford forum where Expedition owners might be more able to help you with their knowledge of that vehicle.

+1

 

I believe that the reason VW recommends against using weight distributing hitch on a Touareg is because of the torque it places on the hitch and its mounting points in the rear of the body as it pivots the front of the tow vehicle downward, using the hitch as the fulcrum. I'm inferring that there is a risk of metal failure in the mounting areas or in the hitch itself.

I have towed well over 7000 lbs. but tried to keep the hitch weight to around the max figure of 660 lbs (engineers will no doubt have built a safety factor into that figure, so 660 lbs. is well under the failure limit). On my most recent long trip (1300 miles from Texas to western Virginia) I was concerned that my 18' enclosed box trailer might be unstable since less than 10% of the gross trailer weight was on the hitch but it behaved very well, with no tendency to sway, and it was not perturbed by turbulence from passing trucks or crosswinds. When first loaded for that trip, a short test drive revealed that the steering felt very light, and I knew that driving 1300 miles in that condition was a foolish risk to take, so I was able to move some weight to the rear. I then drove it to the local scrapyard to have it weighed just to be sure I wasn't significantly over my limits (I weighed only the wheels first and then dropped the tongue jack on the scale to get the total).

You mention luggage, and I assume you are towing a travel trailer -- can your luggage and heavy things like water containers be moved to the rear of the trailer while towing, to be moved back to the front when using the trailer in the camping configuration? I know it's extra work to constantly move things but doing so might mean the difference between a safe, easy tow and one that will either wear you out, or potentially damage your vehicle.

As previously mentioned, keeping the trailer level is the ideal situation -- but on the other hand, the more weight is carried by the front trailer axle, the less the hitch weight is likely to be. Just be sure to account for the added weight on the front tires, wheels and bearings. I carry an infrared thermometer and check sidewall temperature whenever I stop for fuel just to have an idea of how things are going.

 

I would run it, it doesn’t sound like a lot of difference and I have pulled far more, you can disconnect and move propane tanks and luggage to the back of the travel trailer if it’s too tongue-heavy. In my experience the Touareg is well under rated for its actual capacity and it pulls better than some of my trucks.