Catalytic converter delete
chip or tune

Just remember that the v10 has sensitive turbos as is.

It's not a racing car. It's a beast. There's a difference. Just leave as is and service regularly with the correct oil. It's plenty fast enough.

 

Buy an R50...

 

I haven't run my V10 in the 1/4 but in the 1/8 it runs very consistent 9.40's. The typical convertors put that at a 14.60 1/4 mile. I would estimate that the typical computer tunes available would improve that to low 14's or high 13's but nowhere near 12's. Beyond a tune there really isn't much if any bolt on speed equipment available for these vehicles.

 

Sadly they never sold the R50 in the states. The best you can do is chip it.

 

Ok so if I am understanding these engines correctly the first bottle neck for big performance gains are the turbos, correct?

And exactly what is the difference between a standard v10 and an R50 v10??

Thanks for all the response...didn't know what to expect coming here asking such a crazy question!

 

limitations are turbos, 2 valve head, injectors, cams that like to eat themselves up....and the 5 grand you need to drop and replace the engine every time you need to do anything at all.

R50 gets an ECU tune plus a bunch of trim stuff.

I had a great tune on my V10, pulled of sub 6 second 0-60 runs all day long. A V10 can get into the 12s I'm sure, but you'll throw an easy 30K at it to get it there.

14s is realistic with a tune, plus you'll outhandle most so called sports cars...and outbrake them too.

 

pull 12's all day long in the quarter.

How much do these 12's weigh, because I pull a big boat with mine. But I've never driven it in the French Quarter. The streets are very narrow.


Just kidding.

I chipped my Diesel Beetle but the Treg does pretty good when you stand on it so I haven't looked into chipping it. yet.

With mine I appreciate the 20 mph to 40 mph power range more than the power from a standing start. In Dallas traffic I need to be able to pop up ahead of cars to change lanes and things, so that sudden jump in speed is nice.

 

boat engine...interesting.

 

If "pulling 12s all day long" is important to you, just keep your truck and forget the Touareg.

 

Wow Thanks Nick I understand now...this is going to be like the old 7.3 powerstroke...all torque because very little can overcome 2 valve heads on a diesel.

Who actually makes the best tune for these trucks?

And one last try(learning about this engine-but having a compound turbo duramax and loving more power with every vehicle I own), is it possible to get a R50 ecu and make it work on a US v10?

 

I had an upsolute tune...$500 and gave it what felt like an extra 100hp. I've got a video on youtube of my V10 accelerating, you can see what the upsolute tune does.

I wouldn't bother with the R50 ECUs, expensive, two of them to replace, and I'm not even sure you could get it working...a tune does the same thing for 10% of the cost.

 

Turbos are small but very responsive and there's little/no room to make them bigger.

 

Legally, here in the USA for on road use, nothing.

VW diesels are complete integrated design packages, you start making power in the motor, somewhere else is going to fail shortly. Like the drive shafts, that already fail in 50 to 60 k miles stock. A chip and nozzles in a Jetta TDI, in addition to being illegal for on road use, will wreck your clutch and dual mass flywheel in short order. Some DMF failures have taken out the whole transmission when they let go.

 

Legally, here in the USA for on road use, nothing.

VW diesels are complete integrated design packages, you start making power in the motor, somewhere else is going to fail shortly. Like the drive shafts, that already fail in 50 to 60 k miles stock. A chip and nozzles in a Jetta TDI, in addition to being illegal for on road use, will wreck your clutch and dual mass flywheel in short order. Some DMF failures have taken out the whole transmission when they let go.

If the same drivetrain can handle the power and torque of an R50 or a W12 wouldn't you think it could handle the extra HP and torque of a reflashed ECU?
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Niner just needs something new to complain about.

 

You got that right.
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I've had enough of the do gooders at CARB in my state banning VW diesels for gross pollution, excessive smoke, and rolling coal from folks that bring their gross polluters from out of state and the Green Gestapo here calls them in. I think we had TDI's pretty much banned from sale new here from 2002 until 2009 for VW product, with the exception of when the 2007 Touareg V10 came out when ULSD was finally released nation wide on the market.

The worst offenders were the guys with their PU trucks and chip tunes that thought it was cool to roll coal. But they were american made trucks, so CARB looked the other way, and classified their weight category as exempt.

When you live in a county such as Los Angeles county with a population as dense as 10 million people in the county, clean air matters, and gross polluters aren't welcome. Since air moves around just because you pollute in your area doesn't mean I won't end up down wind of you at some point in time to be the recipient of the crap you put out your tail pipe.... Every heard of second hand smoke? I think it only took 2 to 3 weeks before trace amounts of radiation showed up here after that nuclear plant in Japan spewed radiation into the atmosphere from that Tsunami event that wiped out back up camera's for Touaregs too.

When the folks in CO want to ban high capacity mags for guns in the state, banning diesel can't be very far behind.... Just saying... go smokeless, like gunpowder, and don't give them any ammo or reason to do so.

 

Who was talking about Rollin Coal anyway? My V10 puts out plenty of black smoke even with the DPF, but no where near what a modified truck can do. Most truck tuners simply 'stack' on the existing ecu and modify the air/fuel curves to dump more fuel per cycle.

I dont think any of the Touareg tunes are that crude. Additional, most match the R50 power output levels.

Oh, and the V10 Touareg was sold in ca in 2004 and (late introduction) 2006.

 

Oh, and the V10 Touareg was sold in ca in 2004 and (late introduction) 2006.

I looked all over in CA for a 2004 TDI diesel Touareg, it was a 45 state car.

2004 Volkswagen Touareg V-10 TDI - Road Test Review - Truck Trend

1st paragraph confirms it was a 45 state car. No VW diesels were sold new in California in 2004.

 

Well, you are just wrong on that point.

 

I live in California, and I know of 2 out of 3 individual owners that reside in CA that ended up going out of state to buy them in Chicago, and registering them out of state in Nevada to drive them. The last owner I believe flew in to Dallas to take delivery of his.


The 2004 v10 tdi vehicle could not meet tier 2 bin 5 pollution standards required by California in the South Coast Air Quality Management District, so CARB, which has it's own pollution standards, far more stringent than DOT regulations, banned importation of them to California in 2004 through 2006. Many 2006's sat in San Diego on VW's west coast lot, awaiting 15 ppm sulfur ULSD being implemented nation wide, which did not occur until late 2007, before being released for sale.

2004 VW Touareg V10 TDI and Passat TDI Introduced to US Market.


Until you can provide documentation otherwise to support your claim that it was sold in California in 2004, you might wish to revise your statement. I have been a California resident all my life.

 

Wasn't there a "no diesel unless its used with at least 7500 miles on it" rule for california on the 04s?

No firsthand knowledge here, just some faded memories of reading a post along those lines...

 

I remember something like that on the forums.

 

Didn't the 06+ V10 qualify as a 50 state..they had the DPFs and all that good stuff? I thought it was just the DPF-less, black smoke puffing 04 that was on the "bad" list.

 

VW sold enough low level pollution cars from 2003-2006 to earn enough credits to allow them to get the 2007 Version Touareg 50 state certified approved. However, due to the credits, VW was limited on production numbers to be imported on the VW... a loophole was basically allowed for it's truck like weight that provided an "exemption". There was never a single VW PD motor made that passed tier 2 bin 5 pollution specifications. The USA or North America, pretty much always gets the leftovers in motor design after they have been life cycled in Europe first. Europe was getting PD motors in jettas and golfs since I believe 1999 or 2000, they did not get marketed state side until 2004.

The Common Rail "clean diesel" TDI was the first VW version motor to exceed US Tier 2 bin 5 specs, was/is 50 state legal, and was marketed in late 2008. VW and Audi had been running this motor in Europe on the Audi Q7/Touareg for a longer period, perhaps by 2007 in the V6 tdi before North American introduction to the market.

Perhaps some folks from Europe or Australia can chime in when the first V6 Common Rail TDI motors became available in Volkswagen/Audi Group cars?

 

Niner is right on the 04 V10. I have to admit that I was wrong. Sorry to be an enabler for you Niner.

Also, we have carried this thread in to the territory on OFF TOPIC. Niner, I'll allow one additional retort on V10 California emissions, then it's back to the OP's question:

 

Now I am curious to re-carfax my Touareg. I bought my '04 V10 in 2008 from a Toyota dealer in Orange County, the original owner lived in Santa Barbara and traded it in on a Lexus. Wonder when it was originally registered in CA.

Edit- 09/19/2004 registered with 1,418 miles on it, in San Clemente, California.

 

Re the OP's question, wasn't there a member on here who was attempting to to replace the turbos with slightly larger units? I never did follow up in that thread and wasn't subscribed to it either since I don't own a V10.

 

Ok here is a nice head start to the OP.

Didn't figure I would be coming back so quickly.

Someone (probably on this forum) contacted me off of ebay after the sale of my 04 V10. They were asking about my turbo upgrades.

He sent me a link to this company Volkswagen Touareg TDI 5.0 Twin Garrett GT1856v Turbo Upgrade

that is building this turbo.

Looking at the address this is the same address of the old company that I had help me spec out my turbo and then build it.

You can reference my build thread. I loved the turbos though I never had anything to compare them to as I upgraded them and my camshafts at the same time. I'm glad it is catching on and becoming more available. Hopefully after a few more mods and tweaks the new owner will post up here with how it is doing.

I would say I would give him a call and not mention his webpage though. As you can see in my build thread that was not the price I paid to have mine rebuilt. He was a great honest guy though and did great work and I'm glad he seems to have broken out and is running his own new business.

I hate to see more engines dropped but if you can drop the coin while they are out the chances are they probably need rebuilt anyway.

Here is the link to TDIclub as well: http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?p=3619186#post3619186

 

So I don't spend too much time on this forum...newB looking...forget 12s in consensus?
If so that'll save me time. I'll just pick up the ML63.

 

So I don't spend too much time on this forum...newB looking...forget 12s in consensus?
If so that'll save me time. I'll just pick up the ML63.

Just a lot of casuals in here who probably never did any modding work to any cars. The piping for 1 is restrictive both on the exhaust and intercoolers. A Nissan GTR style intercooler for up front would work. Exhaust should be atleast 3 inch on each side especially if you’re raising the boost. New intercooler piping and EGR and DPF delete. All that you should be able to make 350-400whp on the stock turbos on full tilt but they probably won’t last too long.

-Curtis

 

The point is this thread is nearly a decade old and at that time the v10 still cost a fortune

 

I just went back and read the whole thread through. I only started on the page that was up when I saw you and @V10 Curtis posting and boat engines were on it. Wow, did this thread drift! I see what you are saying about modding/not modding them when new.

At any rate, I'm enjoying the heck out of my little 3.0 TDI so far. I couldn't imagine pulling my boat with a V10! I doubt a V10 would even hesitate off the line with it back there. My V6 is much better than the 5.3 in my Trailblazer, but it is also a bit beefy when on the scale like the Touareg. If only the VW had the tow module so I could take advantage of the built-in adaptations when a trailer is connected. Oh well, I'll know what to look for in the next one should I decide to get a newer model later.

 

No worries. I just went back and read the whole thread through. I only started on the page that was up when I saw you and @V10 Curtis posting and boat engines were on it. Wow, did this thread drift! I see what you are saying about modding/not modding them when new.

At any rate, I'm enjoying the heck out of my little 3.0 TDI so far. I couldn't imagine pulling my boat with a V10! I doubt a V10 would even hesitate off the line with it back there. My V6 is much better than the 5.3 in my Trailblazer, but it is also a bit beefy when on the scale like the Touareg. If only the VW had the tow module so I could take advantage of the built-in adaptations when a trailer is connected. Oh well, I'll know what to look for in the next one should I decide to get a newer model later.

😂 Exactly why I was going cross eyed with the reply that isn't relative anymore lol

I'm not knocking the 3.0, it's a great motor and is much better to drive than many within the same and lower class vehicles.

The tow module is a HUGE advantage to have. I'd buy a used one and have the dealer program it, no questions asked. You'll love the improvements if you tow heavy or often

 

I could be wrong about this but I'm fairly certain that all of the wiring should be in place you literally just have to buy the modules and then have them programmed

 

Nice editing, mod.