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T3 battery replacement

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#1 ·
I replaced my battery 2 days ago. These are the steps I took. Please message me if you have questions, I am happy to help.

Vehicle in this example: 2011 model year, 2010 build year, Touraeg TDI 3.0 Sport with 195,000 miles with factory battery

CAUTION: if you do the work described below you agree to accept all risks to personal injury and property damage from working on electrical systems including pyrotechnic devices.

NOTE: No carpet cutting is required. No modification of any parts is required. No fuses were removed.

Time required: 1.5 hours the first try. 20 minutes additional tries.

1. Mise en place:
tools: 10mm XZN bit (also known as "triple square"), 10mm deep hex socket, socket drive handle, medium length socket extension, medium-long thin flat-bladed screwdriver, small torx bit (I think it was T15, but it helps to have T10-T25 available).

materials: new replacement battery. I bought mine from the VW dealer for $150. You give your VIN to the dealer and you will get exactly the correct battery.

2. Move the driver's seat forward until the rear bolts are exposed. Tilt the seat back fully forward.

3. Remove the plastic seat track covers, if present. Mine broke off long ago.

4. Using the 10mm XZN/triple square tool, remove the 2 seat track bolts. NOTE: the XZN tool does not need to be modified as stated in other how-to guides.

5. Move the driver's seat rearward until the front seat bolts are exposed.

6. Remove the front seat track bolts. Gently tilt the seat backwards until it rests against the rear seat.

7. Using the torx bit, remove a small plastic torx screw holding the heating vent. By hand, unfold the carpet from under the heating vent and on top of the battery cover, so that the battery cover can be fully accessed.

8. Using a thin flat bladed screwdriver, or your hand, release all 4 clips holding the battery cover. I did this by hand. My hands are larger than average size. The long thin screwdriver may or may not be needed.

9. Remove the battery cover.

10. Remove the battery vent tube.

11. Disconnect the positive battery cable with 10mm socket, with no extension. Fold the positive cable away so the battery can be lifted out.

12. Disconnect the very small wire cable connector at the negative battery cable. Be careful not to break it.

13. Disconnect the negative battery cable with 10mm socket, with no extension. Fold the negative cable away so the battery can be lifted out.

14. Remove the center battery hold down bracket using a 10mm socket with medium extension.

15. Remove the forward battery hold down bracket using a 10mm socket with medium extension.

16. Using the provided handles, lift the old battery up and forward and out of the vehicle.

17. Using the provided handles, install the new battery.

18. Installation is the reverse of removal.

19. Test drive. The clock needs to be reset. No radio reset/lock code is needed. I have the RNS 850 infotainment system with Sirius satellite radio. Everything works normally.

20. Replace tools, wash hands, dispose of old battery properly according to your local regulations.

After I did this job, I made a 700 mile trip with 5 adults, their luggage, and towing a 3,000 lb boat. I averaged 18.5 mpg travelling 70mph. To me this is successful feedback on the battery replacement.

NOTE: no error codes were displayed after this job. No error codes were present before this job started.
 
#2 ·
So doesn't your seat just hinge backwards from the front having undone the two bolts* in the floor at the front of the seat [*not the seat track bolts]?
 
#4 ·
Well at least you didn't take the seat out as some have done and then wondered why the airbag light is on afterwards!

Technically, if I recall correctly, the seat bolts are one time use items and should be replaced with new.
 
#9 ·
Technically, if I recall correctly, the seat bolts are one time use items and should be replaced with new.
So every time my First Mate drops a crochet needle down between the centre console and her seat, I have to buy new seat bolts to replace the ones I removed when I retrieve the needles?
 
#13 ·
Reminds me of the young boy aged about 12 that I saw in a Discovery the other day who was lying so far down in the front seat with his legs up on the dashboard that the seat belt diagonal was under his chin.

As I said to his mother, in an accident the dashboard airbag would break his legs and the seat belt would neatly snap his beck as he submarined out from under it....

Not my place to tell them really but it was such a dangerous thing to be doing and, as I said to her, I've seen too many dead and dying in cars and trucks over the years.
 
#17 ·
My 2013 Exec has a plastic piece on the front track closest to the door. It's on there fairly tight and does not have any release clips that I can see.Not sure how to remove it and nowhere does anybody mention this in all the threads I read. All the youtube videos show T1 & T2 Touaregs, but no T3 or T4 how to's.

Anybody else have this black plastic part on the front left track?
Also, no mention of the group size battery anywhere that I could find.
 
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#18 ·
Was able to get the plastic cover off the end of the track by prying it in several places and finally popped off to reveal the bolt.
My original battery is approx 15-16 inches long, which is a group 95R or H9.
Some websites say the H9 is correct and others say the H8 is the correct size and the H9 will not fit.

This has to be the most difficult battery replacement I have ever done and I don't even have the battery out yet. I thought my Acadia was difficult to change out in the floor behind the passenger seat.
 
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#19 ·
I agree. Why the default location was not in the boot (trunk) is beyond me.

VW could have at least moved the battery one foot closer to the engine. I would rather had the car battery under the front floor mat then under the front seat. Slide the front seat as far backwards as it can go, remove front floor mat, find and remove bolts holding the battery cover down... Sounds a lot easier.

Even under the rear seat would have been a lot easier to access location.

Don't even get me started on where VW put the AdBlue tank. >:)
 
#20 ·
Go slowly. I found it "easy" in the sense that each step is not difficult on its own. It is a job that has more steps than most, for sure. One special tool needed, is the driver bit to remove the seat track screws.

Both the original battery and the replacement had two nice handles, making removal and installation a bit more manageable.
 
#21 ·
Chassis's step by step guide was closely spot on. I did have to do a couple extra steps that I didn't see listed.
1- Unplug the seats electrical connections. Without doing this I couldn't lift up front section of the rug area to get to the battery cover.
2- Unplug (carefully) the small electrical connector from the negative battery connector.


I did also then rest the front seat on it's back on the rear seat. This way it was totally out of my way when I worked. May not be necessary for everyone but for me it was better.
All total it took about 45 mins. to do the job and that was with having my coffee and a cig. in between.

I installed an Autocraft Platinum AGM battery size H9. 950CCA, 1,000 cranking amps, 100AH with a 190min. reserve capacity. It fit like a glove.

Since I got done with the job so fast I decided to change out the in cabin air filter as well. Winter's coming and I know I'll be using the HVAC system a lot more. Glad I did as the old one was full of dust/dirt.
 
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#22 ·
Isn't there some computer coding that has to be done? I read somewhere that the battery identifier needed to be added to something so they could talk to each other.

I am about to replace my battery due to slower turnover in the past few months. You went with a non-OEM battery, is this one of better quality than VW?


Thanks
 
#23 ·
I don't think there is a battery of better quality as much as they are comparable.

Some people say that OE batteries last longer than aftermarket but I think it depends on what level of aftermarket (ie: Gold/Platinum/Titanium) you go with. I found out my Autocraft battery was in fact manufactured by Johnson Controls who is one of the few big actual manufactures of batteries for vehicles.



As far as computer coding goes at this point I'm gathering that it depends on your vehicle. Mine is a V6 gasser. No coding required as I don't have a BEM (Battery Energy Management) system in my vehicle.

I think the only way to know if yours does is to use VCDS and follow to tutorial in the YouTube link below. If the modules exist...you do. If they don't exist.. then you don't have to do any coding.



 
#26 ·
I swapped my battery this morning in my 2013 V6 Sport. The battery installed by VW was Size H7, 640 CCA. I replaced it with an AutoCraft Platinum AGM H7 with 850 CCA from Advance Auto. The battery box is bigger than the H7 size but the cables to the terminals had no extra length to fit a bigger (longer) size.

Thanks to the OP and additional tips, the install went without a hitch. The only setting my T3 lost was the clock. It rememberd all the radio presets, mated phones though Bluetooth, garage door codes in Homelink, etc.
 
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#28 ·
nickyt I think GTaye is saying he got his sorted by sticking with the H7 size battery size if I read his post correct.
I think if he had wanted to put an H9 size battery his positive cable would have been to short. To that point you are correct in posting the fix link that shows what part# to order/install to accommodate the larger battery.
Funny how VW decided to change the cable length/battery sizing in certain Tregs. Thankfully there is a work around.
 
#29 ·
Thought I'd post my experience having replaced my 6 YO original battery today.
Had to purchase a 12 point tool to remove the seat track bolts. Replacing the battery was as per the early post in this thread,
I didn't remove the seat just leaned it back, if you remove it you may end up with with an air bag warning. I purchased a Bosch ST Hightec AGM LN6, it had handles like the original that really helps as these are monster batteries.
After some research found that you need to tell the battery management system that it's been changed also what type it is. Depending on your Touareg model there are 3 different ways this is coded and there is a youtube video that shows how it's done.


There is no BEM code for a Bosch battery but I found that Varta and Bosch batteries are made in the same factory so finding the Varta equivalent was easy but for my Touareg which uses a UDS Gateway I only need the Battery manufacture (VAO), size 105Ah and serial #. According to Ross-Tech changing the serial # forces a new cycle of history data.

"The serial number is used as an indicator for a new
cycle of history data. Which means, once a serial number is entered
that wasn't used in this car before, a new dataset will be created/started
and from there the actual magic will begin. If in doubt, increment the last
digit by one and save that as the new value (i.e. 0000000009 to 0000000010)
The Battery and Energy Management (BEM) will actually calculate the battery
aging etc. based on the values read through the Battery Data Module (BDM)"
 
#30 ·
^^Good info above.

Always be sure to re-code for the T3, or you will lose battery life.

With the above said...

Re-coding for the T3 is needed, but overall (the big picture) it is a waste of time and resources. Remember, we are dealing with lead acid batteries that are basically a century old technology. The batteries are designed to be used and abused. Computerized chargers did not exists for most of the time that you could buy a lead acid battery.

What I am saying is that I would be willing to bet you that in the big picture, this battery coding system does very little to make your new battery last longer.

The chargers in the CTEK and Battery Minder needs none of this info. They just do a battery diagnostic, compute health info directly from the battery, and charge correctly based on the current capacity (health) of that battery.

Now, if you do not code your T3, you kill off you new battery much much quicker.

So, being generous, I will give this system a possibility of adding 3% to the life of a battery when properly coded.

I will also propose that we can lose 20% life of that battery when not coded. Now, human beings being what humans are, many many batteries will not be coded. Therefore the net result of this system will be negative battery life over the entire fleet.

Yes, I am saying that overall, this system will cause more, not less, early battery failures.

But, it is a great additional profit center for the dealer and therefore indirectly for the manufacturer. Viva la profits!

tldr: A self contained system that did not require coding could produce equal results to this coding setup.
 
#31 ·
Nickyt your probably right, I realised since posting, that the coding for the battery I removed was not for that battery but is seems from my maintenance info that the battery was changed shortly after the car was sold but VW didn't recode so the system was maintaining a totally different manufactured battery and it still lasted 6 years. The other side to this story is that it supports the theme I read that if possible you don't take your Touareg to VW for service.

a little additional info is that I also connected another battery via jumper leads to the jump start connections under the bonnet while replacing the battery. I also covered the + (positive) terminal connector with duct tape so no accidental shorting could happen.

You should always disconnect the - (negative) terminal first and reconnect last as this prevents shorting the battery when using a spanner to undo the + terminal. Having said that if you use a jumper battery you need to be careful as you could still possibly short that one.

I would have to say the engineering around the battery is excellent.
 
#32 ·
I just replaced my 6.5 year old battery as preventive maintenance, it was starting just fine but am going on long camping trip and didn't want to chance being stranded because I didn't have the right tools to replace it. I went with a VW replacement since the original lasted so well and $139 seemed reasonable too. Only took 25 minutes to put it back in (45 minutes to take out). I was extremely impressed how clean the original battery and cables were due to them being in the car and not in the engine compartment.


As an earlier post said, the only addition to the original post would be the disconnection of the seat electronics.
 
#33 ·
Every single car I own I buy the replacement battery from the dealer. For whatever reason batteries are the best and the cheapest at dealers. At least it seems that way for the Honda, Subaru and now VW that I've owned over the past decade. Plus you go to a place like Autozone and the batteries are more expensive for a worse warranty and they die after a year or two!
 
#34 ·
If that works for kril89 that's great, I'd check that they updated the battery coding, I found that the dealer didn't code mine correctly after replacement under warranty. I purchase from IBD (independent Battery Distributors) they mainly supply Bosch batteries, and have had good results in all my toys at a price around half that of the dealer.