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WOW !!
I hope you didn't have too many issues with this hightech monster so far. I guess at this mileage she would definitely appreciate some fresh oil in her tranny even if VW says it is lifetime filling. "Lifetime" does not mean "forever".
Thanks. No problems, runs like a dream. I did have to put in a driveshaft but a small price to pay for the torque.
 
I have an 04 V8 and had the valve body changed very last minute under warranty. This did not solve the problem (1st to 2nd slam and 4th to 5th overall strangeness) entirely but enough to make it impossible to time a bad shift with a VW tech in the car. So warranty is over and I am now going to solve the problem on my own. Here is the question: It has been mentioned on many touareg forums that the bad shifts never happen in tiptronic mode. So far I have to agree. If that is true, can we not remove all the hydraulics and gears and clutches (all mechanical stuff) from the list of possible culprits? Does this not point at bad external wiring or the TCU itself? There has been talk of timing parameters in the TCU regarding how fast the valves open and close. When the shifter is in tiptronic mode, what exactly is bypassed in the system?

Also, it seems to me that the problem was isolated by VW and corrected, as the issue seems to go away after 2005. Some say that the new valve bodies are better made, and to tighter tolerances. If that was the case, would VWCan have not put a new style VB in my Touareg?

I wish as individuals we could sign a waiver, and a confidentiality contract with VW and have them tell us what the problem was and what to do to solve it. I'm not convinced that the AW 09D transmission itself is so bad. Why would it be so successful in many other makes and models but not the 04 /05 Touaregs.

I think VW just slaps new trannies in when under warranty because it’s easier than diagnosing the real problem and when the warranty expires they have a possible new sale with a low trade in price!!

Any thoughts on the no-problem-in-tiptronic-mode line of thought?

Thanks.
 
tech update

That would be appreciated. The only tech update that I can find is referring to a short wire in the harness, however, that throws an error code to the computer and mine has no error codes.

Hopefully you have something that will help me.
 
Thanks for the suggestions. I do reset the adaptive learning from time to time, but this is not related.

This is not just poor shifting. When it hangs in 1st it hits second so hard that you honestly could blow a pilot shaft. (mine was changed by the last owner). Slams into 2nd would be a good description.

Thanks anyhow though.
 
Do you have the magic answer

It seems that there is more that just me waiting to see if you have the key we have been looking for. Are you back yet? I am very interested in hearing what you might have regarding this shift issue. :confused:
 
shifting issues

Problem description

Hard sometimes noisy shiftback mainly from 5th to 4th gear after a longer motorway journey when rolling without load.

Juddering when shifting up from 1st to 2nd gear, cold.

Delayed gearshift after changing down from 2nd to 1st gear.


• No entry in the fault memory.
• Do not confuse this entry with "Hard shiftback under load" (TPL No. 2008922).

Cause

Unfavourable tolerances in the hydraulics of the automatic gearbox.

Unfavourable adjustment of the gearbox software.

Production solution

Modified gearbox software

from Chassis No. 7L 5D 058331

Service solution

Update software in the gearbox control unit.

With the Brand CD 07.57 all VAS 5051/5052 users get the guided fault finding also on the Flash CD version 011 for above problem.

• Connect the battery charger to the vehicle battery.
• The brand CD from V.07.57.00 and the basic CD version from 7.00.00 must be installed.

Online software update:

• Perform the update online with the software version management.
• The VAS 5051 must be connected to the workshop network and the diagnosis interface of the vehicle.
• Select guided fault finding and the vehicle/engine.
• Select Software version management via Function/component selection.
• Select Adjust control unit. Enter diagnosis address 02.
• Follow the instructions on the tester.

Software update per CD:

• Insert the CD "Software adjustment for Volkswagen control units" from version 011 in the CD-ROM drive of the VAS 5051.
• Select guided fault finding and the vehicle/engine.

Select the following steps in the function/component selection

1. Drive
2. Automatic 6 speed gearbox 09D
3. 01 self-diagnosis system
4. Functions
5. Software adjustment of gearbox control unit
6. Follow the instructions on the tester.

Accounting instructions

Service number/damage code/manufacturer 3730/039...

I am finally back from travels. I cannot find the original post. I had the same problem, researched it, and took my V-10 Touareg into a VW dealer. The first dealer knew nothing of it, the second dealer found the service bulletin after I insisted that they find it. Since the program change I have not had a problem since and it has been 40,000 miles ago. The bulletin was around late 04 or early 05 I think.

I hope this helps. Be careful of what advice you follow and research carefully. A German engineer told me that the Touareg V10 is designed for 500,000 miles. He told me that my prop shaft probably went out due to the wrong molecular make up of the rubber on the tire I was using (Nokian, extra grip), or excessive force on dry hot pavement. The torque has to go somewhere and hence the prop shaft followed by the valve body (this was said after it all was replaced under warranty). If you don't believe it, the Saudis use the Touareg with turrets a blazing and they don't have the problem with the shafts and valve bodies.

The transmission oil will last for 500K and the reason it is a sealed unit. Changing the fluid is very complicated and those that think they should suck it out and put back an Amsoil or even the same VW fluid will not outlast those that just drive it and leave it alone. Those that pay even a dealer to do it, to me is like taking your Rolex perpetual to a Timex dealer. The Germans factory sealed it for a reason.

My V10 has 145,000 and I have not had any problems other then it likes to eat batteries so every year I have the same battery under my car seat replaced under the previous years warranty. Initially the dealer battery cost me an extra $130.00. It has now saved me over $600.00.

I plan on driving mine until it has 500K and then will send the motor and transmission to Germany for rebuild. I will replace any other needed components, and will have a truck that will still be superior to any other out there.

Good luck. If you still have issues, you may want to attempt a call to VW in Germany. VW America has limited knowledge in regard to Touaregs. And, this of course is all just my opinion, a non expert, and should not be regarded as legal, or paid for advice that only an expert in their field can offer.
 
Thank you ......

A big thank you. I'm off to my VW dealership today with my newfound knowledge. I'll let you know how it goes. Did you say that your Touareg had the ultra-hard slam into 2nd pre-new software, or the 4-5 / 5-4 slide?
:D:D:D:D
 
Thank you and you are welcome but I just passed it on. Mine was slamming into 2nd even when it downshifted through the parking lot.
What is the date on that bulletin?

In addition to the TCU, the fluid has a lot to do with how the transmission shifts. Since it is an Aisin transmission, which has been used by other various manufacturers like Toyota, Porsche, Dodge and others, the ATF used by these manufacturers should be compatible unless there's some magic VW component in the 09D.
 
Date

I found this on a German forum that shows a bit more information, like the date.

Technical product information
Transaction No.: 2007430/3
Hard shiftback, mainly from 5th to 4th gear
Release date: 29-Apr-2005
Customer statement / workshop findings
Hard sometimes noisy shiftback mainly from 5th to 4th gear after a longer motorway
journey when rolling without load.
Juddering when shifting up from 1st to 2nd gear, cold.
Delayed gearshift after changing down from 2nd to 1st gear.
•No entry in the fault memory.•Do not confuse this entry with "Hard
shiftback under load" (TPL No. 2008922).
Technical background
Unfavourable tolerances in the hydraulics of the automatic gearbox.
Unfavourable adjustment of the gearbox software.
Production change
Modified gearbox software
from Chassis No. 7L 5D 058331

:D
 
The transmission oil will last for 500K and the reason it is a sealed unit. Changing the fluid is very complicated and those that think they should suck it out and put back an Amsoil or even the same VW fluid will not outlast those that just drive it and leave it alone. Those that pay even a dealer to do it, to me is like taking your Rolex perpetual to a Timex dealer. The Germans factory sealed it for a reason.
Find me one "slushbox" of any kind that has even lasted that long...and I don't care who it's creator is. To make the odds of the bet even MORE in my favour, finding one with original juices in it on top of it, and I swear to you, that I will PayPal you $30.00 as victor of the gentleman's bet.

Because it just ain't going to happen. Not with a slushbox sorry.

Maybe....just maybe a Chrysler 3 speed Torqueflight automatic (remember those?) from the late 70's into early 80's, and even then it is pushing it.



 
Ahh c*@p.....

Took mine to the dealer last week to find that I have software version 578in my TCU which is apparently the latest version. So much for that. I can still check the wiring harness for the short yellow cable, but then I am out of ideas again!!!!!!
 
dihmels et al-
I had the O.CT tune flashed 5 weeks ago and even in the cold, my transmission woes are gone, not lessened, but gone. it appears, in my case at least, that either the natural position of my foot on the throttle or the natural torque curve created a hang in the shift from 2nd to 3rd. With the O.CT software, that torque curve variance has solved what I thought was a problem inherrent to the transmission when in fact it is seems as though it's a systematic pdoblem between the engine/software/transmissioon --- change one of the variables and voila, problem solved.
Go find a reputable tuner who wiill allow you to verify if a flash solves the problem then happily pay them if it does, and flash it back to stock if it doesn't.
 
Find me one "slushbox" of any kind that has even lasted that long...and I don't care who it's creator is. To make the odds of the bet even MORE in my favour, finding one with original juices in it on top of it, and I swear to you, that I will PayPal you $30.00 as victor of the gentleman's bet.

Because it just ain't going to happen. Not with a slushbox sorry.

Maybe....just maybe a Chrysler 3 speed Torqueflight automatic (remember those?) from the late 70's into early 80's, and even then it is pushing it.
How would you prove the worthiness of new technology using an example from old out dated technology? Would this not be like telling the Wright Brothers to prove that flight is possible through someone else's past experience?
 
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