I can see the macan drastically altering sales of vag vehicles lol.....many of our loyal club touareg members are thinking of switching to a macan.......going to be a lonely place afterwards

 

I don't think there will be a diesel option, at least not in the US. Just a 3.0, and 3.6 turbo according to Porsche's website.

 

I can bet you they will, in the first year or 2 they won't bring it and then to generate buzz, they will bring it in during the refresh. There is no way they would let the audi q5 outshine it and the porsche and treg have it too. can't see why not. speaking of which, i swear i seen a tiguan tdi a year or 2 ago. we were behind it in traffic and it had the tdi badge on it. i remember my friend telling me they never knew it came in tdi and i said it did.....now i know they don't......could that have been a private VW test or someone pulling everyones leg?

 

TDI Tiguan is still being tested. I've seen a few here and there, but then I live a few miles from VW testing facility. Rumor has they'll bring Tiguan TDI as a 2015 MY.

 

Would be great to see that finally arrive.

 

Watching the Porsche Macan myself. However, a nice turbo will list around $80k, far north of Touareg territory.

 

So,if the Tig is already offered with TDI ,what needs to be tested? I don't understand the VW thinking when so many customers are clamoring for diesels.

 

So,if the Tig is already offered with TDI ,what needs to be tested? I don't understand the VW thinking when so many customers are clamoring for diesels.

People in N.A in general are resistant to changes, we fear going with diesels because of all the head aches we hear about. To me it seems that diesels need extra care that the majority do not know how to provide. I know that diesels are awesome but every single person that I recommend a diesel too tell me they are very apprehensive about it.

I know I saw a tdi tiggy, mind you I never seen it again......I think it was vw doing some testing. Seeing as how they have a tdi Passat and jetta and treg, I don't understand why they wouldn't have a tdi tiggy already

 

Part time 4WD gives better MPG figures so most of the time it will RWD but the clever electronics that distribute the power by monitoring what's going on at the wheels many times per second, can also deliver 100% FWD.

 

Silly expensive, configurator is online with pricing:2015 Porsche Macan Pricing, Configurator Hit the Web – News – Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog

 

Silly expensive, configurator is online with pricing:2015 Porsche Macan Pricing, Configurator Hit the Web – News – Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog

HAHAHAHAH SILLY EXPENSIVE CONFIGURATOR SAYS IT ALL!

The q5 sounds more interesting to me because of the quattro system, the whole send power to wheels when slipping is B.S, the car ends up kicking and going wild and not to mention that if the front wheels also have low traction, you end up going nowhere. The car starts sending power front to back and you go nowhere.....not a fan.

 

The prices for a European car are high because the US dollar is not worth much over there. I just ordered a part from Germany with shipping it was 185.00 I did not think that was bad until I saw the conversion. That was 252.00 usd. Its still hard to swallow that big of price for a fancy Q5.

 

I went out and found the muddiest hill I could find and put our 2014 Treg in second gear and ran a steady 2000 rpm up the hill and never once felt a slip on any wheel. Also the hill was rutted from 4x4 traffic. I was very impressed to say the least.

 

agree 10000% The T3 is incredibly good...Sure the T2/T1 was better in extreme conditions only, but nearly nobody ever got their vehicles into a situation that they'd need that extra capability...on snowy roads or typical SUV offroad you'd never notice the difference between 4 motion and 4Xmotion.

If you watch that episode of top gear where they take a bunch of beaters through the african jungle (no roads) you'll recall they generally made it through...what you didn't see in the film was the Range Rover support vehicles...in those conditions (remember, VERY extreme) 4X is what you want.

If you're driving down the snowy road or backroads to the cottage, and think you need 4x and read diff locks and low range, then you also must think you need a 10lb sledge hammer to drive a finish nail.

 

x2.

I've said many times that the T3 is an extremely competent vehicle off road and 99.9% of owners need nothing more than the equipment the standard car offers since owners will be running out of bravery long before the car's maximum capabilities are reached.

Yes, we T1 and T2 owners take the piss out of the T3 decontenting, but the reality is my car is off road every day, yet only once a year do I use the big gizmo knob and then only to see if the low range and diff lock bits are still in there somewhere!

 

I'm glad to see air suspension is avail on the Macan. It's a Porsche so no shock there. Wish the Touareg came with it too. I've never seen a US spec T3 with air suspension. Though most owners wouldn't need it. At the unveiling they put the Macan in the lowest setting and it does look pretty small for a SUV. The guys shoulder was nearly at the roof of the car.

The hood also wraps around the front lights, like a Mini. Wonder why they did that.

 

A lot of Lamborghini's and I think the R8 are something like 80/20. I don't get how you can even feel the 20% front, if it's already 80% rear it's basically already pushing the front. I'm guessing the Macan will get good mpg. I'd love to drive the diesel. The Cayenne Diesel felt very weird when I drove it.

Cayenne is Porsches best selling car, so I'm guessing the Macan will do well. Wonder why the Touareg is VW's worst selling.

 

A lot of Lamborghini's and I think the R8 are something like 80/20. I don't get how you can even feel the 20% front, if it's already 80% rear it's basically already pushing the front. I'm guessing the Macan will get good mpg. I'd love to drive the diesel. The Cayenne Diesel felt very weird when I drove it. Cayenne is Porsches best selling car, so I'm guessing the Macan will do well. Wonder why the Touareg is VW's worst selling.

Its not that you will "feel" the front, its what you don't feel ,that you know its doing a good job. If you don't feel the power being shifted and the car is driving well and not getting stuck then its a good system, if you can tell power is being sent forward/reverse, or you get stuck, then im afraid its not a good system.

JMO

 

Well - don't you think it might be a bit difficult to talk about the drivability of a car when you don't understand the technical jargon? The Macan *is* full time AWD with a rear bias. You seem to think it's some kind of RWD system that is disconnected in the middle, and a clutch engages sending power to the front after a few seconds of tire spinning. Makes me think you've either never driven a haldex based car, or you're just assuming because even the haldex-based Audi's are awesome in the snow. The rear end is engaged before you even know your tires are slipping. Just like the cayenne is rear biased but is still just as good in the snow and off-road as a treg, which is 50/50 split. The car is sampling wheel sensors thousands of times per second and can move power faster and before you even know a wheel is slipping. Have you driven an haldex based car in the snow? They're just as good as quattro. Even my wife's Murano which is FWD until the wheels slip is great in the snow. Sure, if I wanted to fly up a mountain with the tail hanging out, the Murano won't be as good as more advanced AWD cars, but it's good enough to get us to and from the resorts without an hassles.

Sorry, man. But what your saying is like saying ABS sucks because you don't like the feeling of the car trying to maintain max braking traction at each wheel, despite the fact that snowy roads often have vastly different surfaces under each tire.

Drive an A3 haldex car on an icy road with traction control off. It's damn near impossible if the road is a sheet of ice. Turn traction control back on, mash your foot to the floor, and let the car sort out where to put the power - and you accelerate smoothly in a straight line. With the same tires, the A3 worked just as good as my Torsen-based S4 in the same situation. We had an ice storm here in Denver a few years ago and the only way my car and the A3 stayed straight was with the computer figuring out which wheels had traction and sending the power there. Otherwise, we would have been all over the place like all the pickup trucks with antiquated 4WD systems.

The best AWD systems are ones that use smart computers. There is a reason that the treg is really good off-road, and it's not because of the 50/50 split (which is a default, it's not always running 50/50) - it's the computers that regulate power that make it a damn good car off-road.

 

. Just like the cayenne is rear biased but is still just as good in the snow and off-road as a treg, which is 50/50 split.

I believe the T3 is 40/60.

 

He did say that it was "mentioned" that the Machan was RWD. He didn't make the claim that he made said statement.

 

Thank you for clarifying that BaltimoreTouareg, I don't think he gets that. It was mentioned in a post before that the macan will be RWD until slip is sensed, I didn't say that, your saying that it will be full time....now your saying something other then what was said. So your whole argument doesn't make sense to me.

Now FYI I have driven a haldex system and by that you mean power sent to front wheels until slip is sensed correct? I think these systems are inferior to full time AWD systems, if slip does happen from a stop, then you get a surge of power sent back and the car just shoots.....you seem to be getting stuck at the point of touareg being 50/50.....that doesn't matter when your going 40MPH on an icy road....I don't care if the car has 4 engines each driving a single wheel, you will slip on an icy road going that speed....there is no substitute for common sense.

Your making 2 separate arguments, the first being that the Macan is full time AWD, I really don't know, I went on what was said here, where are you getting the information that it is full time? then your saying that haldex systems are good on ice as well....well that's your opinion, I think otherwise from my own experience.

Your also saying that the touareg is only good on ice because there is a computer telling it where to send power, there is a HUGE difference in the way a Full-time AWD system behaves compared to a haldex or part time system behaves from a stop....once your already moving, you will not notice either shifting power around and no matter where the power is, if your on an icy road and slip, there is very little your AWD system can do. Your also saying that full time AWD only matters on DRY pavement or track? I think the complete opposite applies, on a dry pavement, you don't even really need AWD and on the track I doubt you will find more use. Its when stopped on an icy road or if your stuck in snow, sand...etc or off road that matters. You seem to be thinking that the AWD only applies when your already moving, this is not true, even if the touareg sends power back when accelerating, it still sends power forward at the same time....most haldex based cars don't send any power until wheel slip is sensed, if you are stuck, 1 of 2 things happens with haldex, the first is you shoot off because you had no traction and suddenly gain traction or you remain stuck because the computer is unable to send enough power back (most haldex can only send a maximum of 50% back. Go youtube videos that compares part time AWD systems with full time and you'll see what I mean.

 

Right, but he's got a T1. My point was that the only place a torque split will make any negligible difference is on the track. This is a part of the reason the cayenne handles better, and in fact, any rear-biased AWD system will handle better than a 50/50 split system on dry pavement. But, it will take a fraction of a second for the computers to distribute power as needed when it's slippery out. Even a t-reg is always moving the power around as you accelerate, corner, brake, etc. The only time I'd guess it's a 50/50 split is steady-state driving on flat dry pavement. Hit the gas pedal and the treg moves the power to the back - just like the macan, T3, or any quattro (torsen-based) car. So, if the treg has power moved to the back as you accelerate on snow, but the fronts start slipping, it'll move the power as necessary - just like the macan.

 

I'm getting my info from a friend of mine who was out here testing the diesel macan as well as my experience owning Torsen and Haldex based cars (both branded as Quattro).

I can't make sense of your haldex experience. All the transverse mounted Audi's and VW's use a Haldex system, and they are amazing snow cars. The Audi A3 Quattro, Audi TT, VW R32, anything branded 4-motion, the Lambo's, Bugatti, every Volvo and Saab that has AWD - all Haldex cars. The gen 3 and 4 Haldex systems require 15 degrees of wheel slip - that's insane if you can sense that much wheel spin in the snow (from high noon to about 4 min passed if you think of it as a clock). The *only* time I've ever felt that Torsen would have been better was braking late into a snowy corner where the front is already pushing. Getting on the gas in a Torsen-based car would sometimes get the back end to rotate around. On a Haldex car, it might push a bit more before the back rotates. And, this was on the old Haldex system. I don't even know how you would notice 15 degrees of wheel spin on the new cars. That's like - nothing.

I'm not sure if the haldex car you drove was Audi or VW based - or if you're just grouping haldex in with all the other part-time AWD systems out there from non-german companies. But, if you shoot off the road or find a haldex car hard to control in the snow, that's either driver error or there was something seriously wrong with the haldex system. On a track, it's much more apparent that a stock Haldex, especially a gen 1, is inferior to a torsen system. This is why many of the haldex guys install haldex controllers to fix this. Haven't had any track time with a gen 3 or 4 car to speak intelligently on it.

The Q5 and Macan's AWD system couldn't be more different. The Q5 is a basic Torsen diff with ABS controlling the power across the axle. There is no way for the car to actively distribute power between the front and the back. The Torsen diff is purely mechanical. There are plenty of videos online demonstrating the various shortcomings of a Torsen based AWD system. This is why the Q5 isn't good off-road.

 

Your getting your information from a friend, im getting my information from this thread....i am trying to say that i could be 100% wrong about how the macan AWD system works because i said "it was MENTIONED", i never made that up, nor did i read that, Nor am i saying it it the truth. You have mentioned twice that "I" said that it was RWD and sends power forward, i never said it. Someone else did.

The first experience with a true haldex branded AWD car was a volvo xc90. So i did drive a true haldex branded system as well as a myriad of vehicles that use the same exact principal but are not true haldex branded cars. When you say, it's insane that i can feel 15 degree wheel spin, its not when in motion as i have mentioned 50 times, its from a stand still that i notice it, if you give it a little bit extra throttle (not within driver error, but assume the 2 front wheels were on pure ice), there would be a noticeable lunge as the car sends power to the rear of the vehicle, and if the rear wheels then get on this ice patch, the car loses a little bit of control. My point is that it is this abrupt sending of power to the back that causes the loss of control, there already being power in both front and back leads to a more controlled power delivery IME.

Of course, it is expected that common sense be used when driving on slippery icy conditions. I will admit and i will agree that these haldex systems get the job done and in fact can be driven and do a decent job on ice and snow....but for me, there is added security and control with the vehicle being full time and OF COURSE, having a good AWD system is no substitute for bad tires. Also a part time system with snow tires will dominate a full time system with bad tires.

 

Ah - so it appears you don't actually understand how the systems work, and just have ideas and opinions and don't care if these go against sound engineering judgement. That's all I needed to know.

I'm done here.

 

i don't even know what the hell your talking about and "your done here" thats funny when your the one trying to say I'm wrong for something i didn't say. So no my friend, "I" am done here.

 

Everybody, a group hug :hug:. Tai, beers are on you this time :mrgreen:

 

So, back on topic - I'm looking forward to driving the Macan.

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Wow those specs are interesting. The Macan S has the 3.0T petrol motor good for 5.4 seconds 0-62 and the Macan Turbo has a 3.6 liter petrol with a time of 4.8 seconds and a top speed of 165 MPH. very impressive. Where did Porsche get the 3.6 liter motor? Is it the same VR6 that's in the base Touareg and Cayenne?

 

I believe both are new motors. Audi did some dev on it, but they're both Porsche motors. The bore and stroke are quite a bit different than the Audi/VW sourced 3.6 VR6.

It's the first new car I've been excited about in a long time. I've always liked the Cayenne, but the gas mileage on the old ones, and the price tag on the news ones was always a put-off - plus it's kind of ugly. I always wanted to combine a treg with the suspension and running great of the Cayenne Turbo and the fuel economy of the V10. I love the V10, but the TT V8 out of the cayenne is pretty reliable. The macan gets pretty close to that. Pretty close to the speed of the Cayenne (and very tunable with two turbos), 30+ mpg, heigh adjustable suspension that gets close to the height of the cayenne (I think it only goes up to 9"), and it looks awesome. You just have to be OK with a smaller vehicle. The diesel version is coming, but at 30+ mpg, I'm content with the gasser.

 

Reminds me of a Subaru Outback.

 

I believe the Macan is going to be a very interesting vehicle but will need to see it. It will still have the same issues as the Q5 in regards to size which is why I selected the Touareg. The back seat space is small for adults. I ran a pricing configuration on what I would want and they are expensive. Makes one compare a well loaded Macan against a fully loaded Touareg. The real deciding factor will be the fun to drive aspect.

 

I'm not sure why or how someone can compare a compact SUV like the Macan to a mid sized SUV like the Touareg...if the comparison was valid then Porsche wouldn't build the Macan to sell alongside the Cayenne (which is identical in size to the Touareg).

 

The comparison I was referring to was on price. The Touareg provides more room and utility versus the smaller Macan which is likely more fun to drive but will probably cost more. The Macan at $70k fully loaded sitting next to a lightly equipped Cayenne makes an interesting comparison. Everyone has their own decision criteria.

 

Pretty close. I believe they still share the same basic structure like they did with the 955 and the T1.

 

Yup - and if anything, it'll have less trunk space because of the roof-line than a Q5. The back of the Q5 is quite squared off.

Macan won't be for people that need a lot of space. And, there isn't really any cars to compare it to since the Macan has height adjustable suspension (optional) and off-road tech. If anything, people will cross shop a Macan Turbo with a entry level Cayenne. The air suspension, turbos, and relatively cheap entry price (compared to a cayenne turbo) are what give me a chub for this car. If I didn't need to go off-road, then I'd probably be less excited about it and would just get the SQ5. But, it's lighter than a Cayenne Turbo by 700 lbs, has slightly less ground clearance (enough to get me where I need to go 90% of the time), will probably have better on-street handling than a CTT, and it has a relatively cheap entry price compared to a CTT.

Currently, there aren't any cars that are in the 50-70K price bracket that have the capability of this car when you factor in handling, off-road, mpg, etc.