If your Touareg has not had the pads changed yet, that is what you already have

 

Oh good, cause I bought it used and the non-VW dealer went cheap on me and used some crappy pads!
Thanks

 

Pagid are high quality. don't worry they didn't go cheap on you...pagids are very common replacements on VWs/BMWs and other german cars.

 

I got a local import garage dealer, giving me a quote of :
ALL OE:
Pagid:
Front Pads $179.00 Total
Rear Pads $112.00 Total

Front Rotors: $265 Total
Rear Rotors : $308 Total

Wear Sensors: $22.00/each

what do you think ?

 

I got a local import garage dealer, giving me a quote of :
ALL OE:
Pagid:
Front Pads $179.00 Total
Rear Pads $112.00 Total

Front Rotors: $265 Total
Rear Rotors : $308 Total

Wear Sensors: $22.00/each

what do you think ?

What I think you should do is contact Goeff at Alretta for his package is better priced and he includes the needed tools to do the job. His package does not include the Pagid pads, but the ones he uses I think have a more progressive feel rather then being grabby like the Pagids were. Dust is not nearly an issue either with the pads in his package. Pagids were pretty damn bad imo.

 

Thanks for the feedback. Gives me a alternate options.

 

I Hated the pagids. It makes you look like a beginner driver and causes you nose to hit the windshield on occasion.
I have hawks and they have been great.

 

I Hated the pagids. It makes you look like a beginner driver and causes you nose to hit the windshield on occasion.

I had this problem before with new VW OEM pads. Usually the brake pads have not been properly seated. What I did was several 60 to 0 fulls stops spread over a 15 minute period. The brakes seated and worked fine (no grabbing) on the Touareg since.

My main complaint about the OEM pads is the dust dust dust dust dust dust dust dust dust dust dust and secondly the dust. FWIW, darn Infiniti pads are just as bad in this reguard.

 

I love the pagids pad they have alot more brake power than the Alretta pads although the Alretta pads do product less dust.

 

I'm sorry I failed you , Joe...



I'm sorry I failed you, Joe... (you can see I take this personally...) I'm feeling rather small right now...(sniff,sniff)

(I don't want to seem defensive or nuthin' !!!)

There is a fine line between ease of application and dusty vs. longevity,effective braking capacity, and lower dust, which all pad makers have to walk... no one can get all the attributes aligned, so a triage has to be made, and most driver's opt for lower dust and longevity amongst these choices. Both pad types will stop you equally effectively in a moment of need. Peak moments are however infrequent, so what is the part (of the curve) of usage characteristics which one wants to embrace?

I'm sure you have made the right decision for your style of driving!

Thank you for your business, of course!

Yours,

Geoff

 

I don't feel you are giving up anything with the pads that Goeff alocates for his package. I don't miss the grabbyness of Pagids.

 

My hawks stop just as quick with no grabbyness and low dust and long wear

 

I bought zimmerman rotors, hawk hps pads and sensors from pap-parts.com about two years ago. They have been on the car for about 50k, pull an occasional 18 ft flatbed trailer that the treg brakes have to stop.
The hawks are very gentle on the rotors. There is barely a lip visible and the pads have plenty meat left.
Cost was comparable to the set from Alretta. Same in quality too I think

 

Hey thats pretty cool, you are getting some mileage out of those!
While also pulling a 18ft flatbed! Will have to remember the pap-parts.com was
not aware of that!

 

This is what I pull with it once in a while

 

Wow! you got some stuff over there!

 

Eh well. I have some rental property

 

BRAKES

THE TOUAREG'S COME WITH BREMBO PADS AND NOT
PAGID.THE PADS I HAVE USED WERE HAWK CERAMIC PADS.
AND I REPLACED THOSE PADS WITH HAWK SUV/TRUCK PADS.
THE CERAMIC PADS HAD NO FADE EVEN WITH A 4,500 LBS TRAILER
GOING OVER THE TAHOE/NEVADA PASS.THEY DID NOT DO WELL IN
COLD CLIMATE.THE SUV/TRUCK PADS HAVE GREAT BITE AND BETTER
STOPPING POWER THAN STOCK.NOTE YOU SHOULD PERFORM A BRAKE
FLUID FLUSH EVERY 1,2 YEARS.

 

My Touareg had Pagid pads in its Brembo brakes from the factory, as have many others that have discussed this on here.

Matt

 

I second that, I know a lot of Treg owners had PAGID pads!

 

besides that even with other pads you still have brembo brakes. I think the calipers are more the determining factor?

PS: Your caps lock is stuck on your computer

 

Sure the calipers play a major role!

 

Touareg VR6,
Just some clarification here! 3 years ago I was the Manufacturing engineer for the Jurid Brakes (Honeywell/ Allied Signal /Bendix Germany) for the Mercedes SUV that is produced in Alabama. Most German cars use ATE (Alfred Teves / Continental) calipers but yes we have the Brembos on the Touareg. However!!! That does not mean that the brake pads come from the caliber manufacturer. It depends on the Car maker as to what pad choice he makes. For example we put Jurid pads in a ATE caliber because that is what Mercedes wanted. We supplied 1/2 the quantity and Textar (FMC) supplied the other half. We both shipped them to a ATE plant in South Carolina! Pagid is the ATE pad but they were not used. I have yet to see online anywhere a Brembo pad for my V-10.
Also little note here:
German pads have silicon carbide 2% which is what sand paper is made from. These pads turn the rotor like a lathe, hence the lip on the edge. They provide the Greatest coef. of friction. But TONS of brake dust which is also created because you are machining the cast iron rotors everytime you brake.
Americans hate brakes dust, so we used steel wool in the Ford F-150 and the other Dodge brakes we built. Not as good braking power and less dust. And you usually turn these rotors when you change pads because the surface has been heat hardened.
We used a brake dyno with samples from each lot made and I can tell you the Mercedes brakes generate MUCH MORE stopping power!!!
Japanese brake are organic, not much dust, and I don't know much more about them as we didn't produce any fitments.

 

Also little note here:
German pads have silicon carbide 2% which is what sand paper is made from. These pads tu this rn the rotor like a lathe, hence the lip on the edge. They provide the Greatest coef. of friction. But TONS of brake dust which is also created because you are machining the cast iron rotors everytime you brake..

Thanks for clarifying this...I've been shocked at the lip that forms on Touareg rotors, your description of the pads actually machining the rotors makes sense.

 

The VW dealer sells a brake pad which has the Pagid name embossed on the steel and the Brembo name inkjetted on the back. Brembo has a co-marketing arrangement, perhaps, hence the markings. You are certainly correct that Brembo does not make brake pads. But Brembo does supply friction under certain arrangements.

As for the American brakes you discussed, remember, the US manufacturers do not use the high-carbon iron material that Brembo does, so the rotors do toughen up when impregnated with carbon.

The Brembo design calls for the rotors to wear thru in the life of the pads to improve on the co-efficients of friction and enhance the stopping ability. A softer rotor material yields more to the pad and tends to stop sooner under stress.

The Japanese pads blend ceramics with non-asbestos organics and they do not have the higher stopping force achieved by the Brembo systems. But they are adequate for the lighter weight vehicles typical in the Japanese fleets.

 

Being a BMW and KTM owner for years and years I know about ATE and Brembo. What I didn't know was if Brembo actually supplied any pads for these brakes as I wasn't able to locate any.
My point was that we Honeywell/Jurid supplied pads for the ATE and we also made service pads. In most cases we also put our name and Mercedes or Dodge/Ford on the pads since we were the OEM.
I typically got about 100k miles out of rotor on my BMW and like you said since this is part of the design they are very easy to replace. I now have 25k on my 2006 Touareg V-10 and the pads are getting thin, which is also what I expect. What shocked me was I did take her to the dealer and they wanted 1150.00 dollars to replace the pads!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT!!! :xLuckily for me I do all my own work (the oil change was the first time I went to the dealer because I am getting lazy but I did supply the Lubri Moly Oil). I have found ATE/Pagit/Textar pads on line from 130 to 160 for the front and around 100 for the rears. So I will save myself about 850 dollars by doing maybe 1 to 2 hours worth of work myself!
I assume since they are having a hard time selling cars they are trying to make up for it in the service dept!
Finally, we discovered just how much friction material was in that pad mix when we had to replace the pad molds about twice as often as we did with the other brake lines!!!

 

I have found ATE/Pagit/Textar pads on line from 130 to 160 for the front and around 100 for the rears.

I got OEM pagids from germanautoparts.com, as much as I dislike the squeal and dust of the OEM pads, outright braking performance is the most important factor for me...when towing travel trailers or boats I find you can never have too much braking power..

 

You might want to familiarize yourself with my brake kit offerings, as the rotors will need replacing if the pads are fully worn, as will the sensors, caliper hardware; so it might pay for your to review this thread:http://www.clubtouareg.com/forums/f....com/forums/f47/aftermarket-f-r-rotors-pads-hardware-and-sensors-now-11903.html

Regards,

Geoff

 

I'll try out the hawk hps next time around..I'm looking for something that brakes like the pagids without the squeal (I can even live with the dust!).

 

Pagids are available at the local NAPA store. Even for the V10.