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My engine: 3.0 V6 TDI CATSA (225 bhp)

I noticed the occasional hesitation on acceleration (a "hiccup") but no fault codes were shown. Last week, the MIL/CEL came on, VCDS showed the fault code in the title.

I researched the fault code as it relates to the 3.0 TDI engine and found either sparse information or depressing stories of how difficult a job it is.

While the car remains immensely drive-able with this code (no glow plug light flashing) it will no longer run regeneration cycles as long as the fault code is stored. This is bad news for your DPF/particle filter and will cause issues down the line.

So, it needs to be fixed.

Here is my experience:

Braced for the worst, it turned out to be a one hour job. Not bad, maybe a bit hard on the back, that's all.

1) with the VCDS fault code already indicating what the problem is, confirm that the sensor, which sits pre-turbo, is really the culprit.

  • open hood, remove plastic engine cover
  • locate two plugs to the left of the oil filter cap, one orange, one black.

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  • You want to look at the black connector and follow the wire to the back of the engine, between firewall and the heat shield for the turbo (removed in the pic; 3x T30 torx screws), to locate the sensor location. Just run your fingers along the wire as it "disappears". You will feel the wire entering a thin metal pipe that curves about 90 degrees and leads you straight to the hex nut that retains the sensor in the turbocharger's housing. You might be able to see the nut if you stand at the passenger side headlight (the left headlight as seen from the front of the car) and peek down past the turbo actuator rod.
  • Now that you are familiar with the lay of the land, unplug the black connector (no tools required; just depress the tab at the top and pull apart) and gently wiggle the connector out of its holding bracket.
  • With a multimeter set to resistance, read the resistance between the two pins in the connector. If the sensor is dead, it likely reads "open" or a resistance of "1". A new sensor mounted in the still still warm (not hot) engine will read around 0.254 Ohms. If your sensor reads open and a scan tool shows an exhaust temperature of 1000 degrees for this sensor, while the others are at about ambient temperature (with engine off and cold), you confirmed that this is really the dead sensor.
Now get a new sensor:


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The sensor is available online and from the parts counter; prices seem to vary, somewhere around $149 US.

Grab the tools needed to do the job. Or, more precisely, grab one and make the other.
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You need a T30, preferably with a 1/4 inch ratchet, to get to the three Torx screws that hold the heat shield. Remove the heat shield.

The sensor has a 17mm hex nut holding it in. I bought a cheapo 17mm/15mm double ended flare wrench (used for brake lines) and cut the 15mm end off (round the edges so you avoid bleeding later on). The wrench as-is was simply too long for the restricted space available. There is a special tool, if you prefer (see below).

Now slide the slotted opening of the flare wrench over the sensor "pipe", slide it down over the nut and loosen the nut. Mine did not budge with hand pressure alone. I put the wrench on so that it stood almost vertical, pressed a piece of 2x4 against it and gently whacked it with a steel mallet a few times. The shock loads did the trick, nut came loose, no drama.

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If your hex nut does not come loose, you can use the VW special tool (available, for example, from IDparts): EGT Sensor Socket - T40055 - IDP1066 - IDParts.com
or you take a 3/8 drive 17mm deep socket, preferably an impact socket, and a grinder and cut the socket to resemble the special tool.
Another method I read (and have not needed and cannot confirm) is to cut the wire where it enters the "pipe", then grab the pipe and bend it back and forth about 20-30 times until it snaps off flush with the hex nut. Then you can get a regular 17mm socket on and break the nut loose. Do not forget to pull the sensor remnants out, once the nut is loose. But - in my case, none of the drama was needed.


Old sensor and new sensor

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Install new sensor

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I do not plan on ever removing the sensor again, but nevertheless, if I had to, I could, because a bit of high-temp anti-seize (the copper based one) will prevent the sensor and nut from seizing up. Good to 1200 degrees.

Route the wire the same way as the old one, take the multimeter and measure sensor resistance just to be sure.
Put everything back together.

Clear fault code, start engine and be happy that

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  • fault code is gone
  • you saved yourself about $600 (that is what I was quoted over the thumb for the repair
 

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Did you check the other temperature sensors, too? AFAIK there are 3 of them - one before the turbo, one before the DPF, and one after it. Their reported temperature values can be checked in the VCDS Meas. Block Group 075. With time they might start reporting wrong temperatures, which in itself will not yet throw a fault code (until they completely fail), but will affect the air-fuel mixture, the exhaust loopback and the DPF regeneration process - obviously not in a positive way.
 
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Did you check the other temperature sensors, too? AFAIK there are 3 of them - one before the turbo, one before the DPF, and one after it. Their reported temperature values can be checked in the VCDS Meas. Block Group 075. With time they might start reporting wrong temperatures, which in itself will not yet throw a fault code (until they completely fail), but will affect the air-fuel mixture, the exhaust loopback and the DPF regeneration process - obviously not in a positive way.
Yes, there are three of them and while they are the same sensor, the "neck" parts are different, so care is needed for ordering. I did look at the temps displayed on VCDS and they appeared ok. Not sure how I would verify that the sensors are precise. I wait for a CEL/MIL until I tackle one of those!
 
Not sure how I would verify that the sensors are precise.
I'd look for significantly higher/lower than ambient temperatures after the car has been standing idle for a day, or for increases in temperatures down the pipe while the engine is running. Obviously any of these means that some of the sensors are not reporting correct temperature values.


If you can remove the sensors, you can also check them by exposing them to known temperatures and looking whether their resistance changes according to the specs or not.
 
Another EGT Sensor lost on an MY08 Tdi.

Exactly the same symptoms as the OP, with the engine running rough at cruise speed and stumbling under mild throttle.

Replaced the G235 sensor as the OP did and now it works like it should... We are currently touring in Central Queensland and if you are looking for a very helpful workshop, then try

Viking Mechanical Services, 8 Progress Drive, Padget 4740 (07) 4952 6510. Good people with a Great Attitude.

Regards
Stuart.....

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Thanks for the post/thread...

Did mine today and getting the nut loose was a bartasd!! I put a Teng open ended 17mm spanner on it and with it seated securely, gave it a thwack with a 2lb club hammer which loosened it enough for a shortened 17mm ring spanner with a cut in it to allow the tubing through, then, with perseverance, one flat at a time, it came out...

The install was a right tawt! It felt like the securing nut was cross threaded, which it wasn't, and again one flat at a time, it slowly wound in... about 2/3 of the way in, the ring spanner started to open and slip on the nut... Out with the grinder again, and this time a shortened open ended 17mm spanner and eventually, about 90 mins later, job done!



Thanks again for the thread!!
 
I just wanted to share my experience from yesterday.
The old sensor fought every single degree until it was out. In an effort to beat this, I applied Liquid Wrench a couple of days prior which didn't appear to help but I'll never know. I had luck getting a 2nd wrench on the end of the 17mm (I had one short enough that would kind of fit) to give me the leverage I needed for rotation and a brass mallet got me the rest of the way until I could do it all over again. Reaching over the engine for that time made this an uncomfortable job. A bolt needing muscle to turn is not the end of the world but it's just in a tough place.
At the OP's suggestion, I modified a wrench which was critical for installation and then progress was measured in seconds. Plenty of anti seize was used as well.
For those of us under 6 feet in height, I might suggest putting the rear wheels on stands or ramps to help the angle a little. I think this would have helped.
I also tied string to the tools I needed. Took one wrench falling and a lot of time to recover before that idea was implemented.
Codes have been cleared and I'll keep an eye out for a regen but I am confident that it'll be fine.
 
I just wanted to share my experience........................... Reaching over the engine for that time made this an uncomfortable job. A bolt needing muscle to turn is not the end of the world but it's just in a tough place.
At the OP's suggestion, I modified a wrench which was critical for installation and then progress was measured in seconds. Plenty of anti seize was used as well.
For those of us under 6 feet in height, I might suggest putting the rear wheels on stands or ramps to help the angle a little. I think this would have helped.
I just used a 18in step platform at the front of the car to step up, then knelt on the engine whilst I completed the task!!
 
I just used a 18in step platform at the front of the car to step up, then knelt on the engine whilst I completed the task!!
I had one that may have been 12-14" so I felt like a gymnast getting a knee up there. 😂
 
So, trying to fight with this sensor, and may end up pulling the turbo. Used a line wrnch, the special socket, and have been able to turn that nut maype 3mm total. Yes, im turning it the right way. Next step is to pull the turbo, as im almost sure im pulling threads out.
 
So, trying to fight with this sensor, and may end up pulling the turbo. Used a line wrnch, the special socket, and have been able to turn that nut maype 3mm total. Yes, im turning it the right way. Next step is to pull the turbo, as im almost sure im pulling threads out.
Look at the other recent posts... All you need to know to get the job done is there, including the tools...

Follow the instructions and it will come out!!
 
Look at the other recent posts... All you need to know to get the job done is there, including the tools...

Follow the instructions and it will come out!!
Yep, have been. I haven't gone to cutting the harness off yet, but may give that a shot before I drop it at the shop. I'm still incredibly upset at the wife's X5 that I just finished and sold.... and dont have the time to mess with it anymore.
 
Yep, have been. I haven't gone to cutting the harness off yet, but may give that a shot before I drop it at the shop. I'm still incredibly upset at the wife's X5 that I just finished and sold.... and dont have the time to mess with it anymore.
Were you able to wrestle this sensor out? I am in the same boat as you, saw this thread a couple weeks ago and brought it to a VAG specialist to swap the sensor. They threw in the towel and said it moved a little, but they're afraid it's going to crack off in the turbo housing. I have a small exhaust leak on my turbo where the actuator arm goes into it for the variable vanes and while it drives fine, there is an exhaust smell coming into the cabin when not using recirc, so they recommend just replacing the turbo since that portion of the turbo is non-serviceable.

I've just put a ton of money into this thing in other ways and with winter in the mountains starting, I would love to punt the turbo replacement to next year and just live with recirculation only on HVAC.

I really want to give this a shot before just popping for a new turbo. I guess worst case either way, I need a new turbo, but upside if I can swap the sensor myself I can clear this check engine light and allow it to regen again with this sensor being operational before ruining my DPF. Has anyone had the sensor crack or heard of that happening while attempting this repair?
 
Were you able to wrestle this sensor out?
Never got it out - its been shoved to the back of the list. Like you, I can get it to SQUEAK a little bit, but completely afraid I am going to junk a turbo. Second is to pull the turbo off and just have it machined out.

I like pain, and bought my wife a low mileage southern US 2010 Q5. She is borderline destructive with vehicles (including my toddler) so I try to buy things that I won't lose my shorts on when they're destroyed.
 
Hello please I need some help I got the vw Touareg 3.0 tdi for my daughter for collge , engine light came on and I scanned it brings the code
P054400 Exhaust Gas

Temperatur Sensor Circuit -Bank 1

is this code same for that part number
Seems to be the same code and fault. What year is your Treg? That will determine if that part number fits your (daughter's) vehicle. If not, look up that sensor for your year.

Do you have VCDS? If not, get it if you plan on keeping the Treg.
 
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