I have been a member for a long time. I was gone for a year or two recently and have recently returned. I have to say this forum is night and day from what it was when I started. When did the constant bickering start on here? It's a real shame.

 

Thank you, Linder, for this perspective. It's refreshing to know that CT was much better than it is now. Means there's hope. Perhaps the Admins might pay closer attention, taking notes, and work with the moderators to clean house, restore order, and actually moderate by guiding discussions when they need to be guided, not simply acting as police.

Welcome back to the forum.

 

Have to learn how to skip it I'd guess. Quite flat content lately annoys me more.

 

Quite flat content lately annoys me more.

Touareg needs a facelift.

 

What is with all the whinging and crying? Are you English? Grow up and form a spine while you're at it. The world is a tough place people. Do you want a hug, a warm mummy cuddle? I didn't know Touareg owners were such whimps. What a bunch of twerps.

LOL, just joking. You are right. It is annoying when someone gets ridiculed just because they ask a stupid question or have a difference of opinion.

I bet 95% of the comments that are rude on here wouldn't be made to a person's face so just because the internet and forums like this afford some anonymity doesn't mean that people should act like knob jockeys.

Now where is that little punk Tai? I like him.

 

What is with all the whinging and crying? Are you English? Grow up and form a spine while you're at it. The world is a tough place people. Do you want a hug, a warm mummy cuddle? I didn't know Touareg owners were such whimps. What a bunch of twerps. LOL, just joking. You are right. It is annoying when someone gets ridiculed just because they ask a stupid question or have a difference of opinion. I bet 95% of the comments that are rude on here wouldn't be made to a person's face so just because the internet and forums like this afford some anonymity doesn't mean that people should act like knob jockeys. Now where is that little punk Tai? I like him.

No you are american whingers and whiners, and you wonder why people dont want to post on this forum

 

When someone corrected my Nuclear typo earlier, I wasn't offended. If he had started it "you always type the wrong word..."

Again you have stuffed it up. WRONG AGAIN. Its nucular. Haha. Man hug.

 

I think the majority of members on this site are helpful and try to help other members and share information. Unfortunately, there are very small number of members here who make rude and unnecessary comments because they feel they have some great expertise and helping someone is unworthy of their time. The down side to this is it drives away newer members who get blasted for asking a question that may have been asked and answered before.

As I have posted before, welcoming newer members is the only way to keep this site going. I have been able do an oil change, brake pad/rotor install, fuel filter change, etc., all because other members have shared their knowledge and posted on this site.

I do enjoy some of the humorous comments posted by some members, and it makes this site enjoyable. But the few folks who are making these rude and mean-spirited comments will only discourage folks from joining this site and sharing helpful information here.

 

I think the majority of members on this site are helpful and try to help other members and share information. Unfortunately, there are very small number of members here who make rude and unnecessary comments because they feel they have some great expertise and helping someone is unworthy of their time. The down side to this is it drives away newer members who get blasted for asking a question that may have been asked and answered before. As I have posted before, welcoming newer members is the only way to keep this site going. I have been able do an oil change, brake pad/rotor install, fuel filter change, etc., all because other members have shared their knowledge and posted on this site. I do enjoy some of the humorous comments posted by some members, and it makes this site enjoyable. But the few folks who are making these rude and mean-spirited comments will only discourage folks from joining this site and sharing helpful information here.

Agreed, Hammerdog.

 

Alright, y'all dragged me in. It's not just here on CT, it's a lot of places where folks are rude and disrespectful. Even our little town of 8,000 is getting to the point where we're planning to move to a smaller town.

Rude people are weak - period. Something is wrong with them where they are unwilling or unable to maintain proper human relations. Nature takes care of the weak - they die sooner and free up resources for the rest of us. It doesn't do the planet or society any good to be nice to rude people. We should all make every possible effort to exclude rude folks from all aspects of society - similar to shunning. You want to be an ass? Fine, go be an ass all by yourself. Leave the rest of us alone to try to make it a better place.

I just block the rude ones. They are clueless and missing out on so much the world has to offer. If they weren't so rude it'd be comical. "So how long are you going to hit that brick wall with your head?" Easy to tear something apart but it takes brains to build something up.

Let's make CT better all by ourselves. If we see someone being rude we ALL block them until they go away.

Hope you fellas all have a great Saturday. My favorite uncle died yesterday and today is the two year anniversary of us losing baby Carly. We're heading to the hills early this morning. Going to celebrate life the best we can. Maybe even try some snowshoeing or cross country skiing. Peace!

 

Collective block of rude a-holes until they go away. Hey, I'm all for that. Count me in.

Never fun to lose a reveared family member, and Uncles and Aunts are real special in my eyes. It's nice you're celebrating life today. I hope you and your family find solace today.

 

I've been around people and internet forums long enough to finally learn to just ignore assholes.

I used to find it fun to engage them, but it really never goes anywhere and in retrospect was a waste of valuable time. I suppose it took age for me to realize the value of time and to spend it more wisely.

Those who make digs at others on forums are usually too busy running off at the mouth to be useful or learn anything. Whether they realize that down the line or not makes little difference.

I have operated motorcycle/metal workshops in rough neighborhoods of Brooklyn and Philadelphia for almost twenty years, where I quickly learned the value of composure and etiquette. Every place has a code that when followed can go a long way towards avoiding problems. I currently live in city noted for the confrontational nature of its residents.

None of the behavior witnessed almost daily on this forum would fly for a minute. But here there are no consequences.

Going nowhere special with this, I guess. I just don't engage assholes. Saves time and trouble.

Thanks to the helpful folks here (including Niner who I found to always be square with me). I'll continue to be helpful when and where I can.

Jason

 

+1!
My grandma used to say: "Don't touch sh...t - it won't stink!". Well, she was a machine gunner during the WW2.

 

To touch on Jmcelroy's comment about no consequences on Club Touareg, I decided to look back at the rules for this forum (which are posted as a stickie for all to see), and here is what's listed (I find the last guideline particularly interesting given the high level of rudeness that has been allowed to run amock on here):

Be Courteous! We aim to ensure that the forum is an enjoyable place that you want to visit time and time again. Our underlying philosophy is that the strength of the member relationships we build here is what sets us apart from the other boards - we are friendlier, more civil, more insightful, more mature and more fun. Here are some general guidelines that we expect you to follow:
• Do not engage in personal attacks.
• Do not post libelous remarks or directly misleading information.
• Do not post the same discussion topic more than once or in many forums.
• Do not take every opportunity to express your disagreement, incite argument, insult each other, or fan flames. Voice you opinion respectfully and then let it go.
• The language of this forum is English. If you are not a native English speaker, do your best. We are glad to have you as a member and will be supportive and polite.
• We will not tolerate bigotry in any form, including posts intended to incite expressions of such bigotry from others.
• Posts containing vulgar language that are overly explicit or obscene, images or links to websites with adult content/images are not allowed. Posts that attempt to circumvent the profanity filter are also not allowed.
• Trolling and/or Cyber-bullying are NOT allowed and grounds for account restriction and/or ban.
• Fair warning; discussion of politics and religion is permitted only in association with the topic of this forum. All other discussions about politics and religion are likely to be closed or removed.
• We take the "be nice" rule VERY seriously! We do not tolerate ANY rudeness.

 

The moderator and admin group does our best to intervene and clean up rudeness or attacks. Typically when we do this we get exactly nobody thanking us, and a dozen or so PMs blasting us for censorship.

We also do our best to give everyone a fair chance at redemption, typically one gets suspended 3 times for a serious forum offence, then the 4th time they're banned. Typically when we do this we get exactly zero members saying "thank you" but we get a couple dozen pms, and a few threads started saying that we are jerks for banning member "x".

When we try to keep people to the rules (ie: classifieds) nobody says thanks but we'll get remarks in the thread like "ohh, you better not say that, we're not allowed to talk like that"

this forum spans the world...English mannerisms differ amongst the main english speaking regions of the world (ie: UK, NA, Aus, NZ, SA)...even amongst those regions there can be significant differences. There are also a number of members from parts of the world where english is their second or third language...so keeping those differences in mind:

If you feel you've been singled out inappropriately, ask one of the moderators or admins to step in and take a look. We simply don't have the time to read each and every post in each thread, so your help in pointing things out would be very helpful in helping us get to and address the issues.

 

Thank you, nick. Appreciate you offering-up that statement. Moderating is a thankless job, as noted in your comments. But I am glad you brought up contacting one of you (or the admin) if a member feels they are being singled-out. I will PM you privately. Thanks again.

 

It is definitely a very thankless job we have here trying to keep order on this forum. I have nothing more to really add to what Nick said. You guys just need to view it from our angle some times.

 

Thanks, Yeti.

 

as an Admin on a national motorcycle forum, I can relate to the 'thankless' tasks completed by the backroom boys.

You only get told when the sh*t goes down, or someone doesn't agree with you.

When you do the right thing, make an improvement to the site and it's functionality/process...you get diddly squat.

Thanks Admins/Mods...I love this place

 

Thanks for the compliments everyone. We do deal with our share of spam and all members do an excellent job of reporting posts that are spam. Its the best system to get one of us to "clean things up" as quick as possible.

As for the thankless job - the reward come from being able to keep a community moving in the right direction and by watching people post things like "thanks, you just saved me thousands from what the dealer would have charged".

I don't think any of us are looking for a "thank you", but we do want members to understand that what we do is for the good of the community and gives us ZERO financial or other gain. We sometimes don't get it right, but if the mods/admins get a chance to discuss a given topic, its rare that we get it wrong.

Hope this helps clarify things for most.

 

It should be a forum for discussion about a vehicle, not an advice chat about which chick to date. Problem with the forum is that the new ones are nothing like the T1s.

Props to VWAG for building as many Cayennes and Q7s and Touaregs as they have...and for bringing tech across the board to a new level. The platform has aged well, and matured impressively...the forum, perhaps, not as much. But I digress.

A few 2005-era owners are still around, and I really only pay attention to a select few posters or a select few thread titles. In my mind, their comments have weight. A few newer posters have added considerably as well,

In those days there were some freaky issues that drove people nuts about these awesome cars and people shared experiences, parts numbers, sources of resolution, encouragement, whatever. The car still evokes pride, whatever, but there is less to talk about of substance, so it is probably common that threads like this one even exist (or are necessary).

Simple reality is that those first gen cars warranted first gen discussions. Internet and access and modalities have also changed and matured. User etiquette is an always evolving thing.

Perhaps there should be more differentiation in the forum platform, but no one's asked for my opinion there.

Ignore what you don't want to see. Block whomever tires you. If it gets too intolerable, do something real and turn off the distraction.

In the early days, there was simply more to discuss. There was great advice about complex and not so complex stuff that affected Touareg. Dudes taught a lot.

 

In the early days, there was simply more to discuss. There was great advice about complex and not so complex stuff that affected Touareg. Dudes taught a lot.

You mean winshield fogging at the worst possible time? or 2 feet of remote range? or kessys going bad or cracked wood, or memory loss...or perhaps you mean the seatbelt lockdown of a folded rear seat ....there were no bluetooth modules , no backup cams, but we figured out different ways to get them on...same for paddle shifters and push button starts... Its true, there were many engaging threads at one time....some legendary ones that I recall:

Frex's rebuild
V10 FUNs do it at home engine drop
Complete brain dead

I think "complete brain dead" is my personal favorite.

 

Nick, Yeti and the rest of the CT team, a deep heart felt thanks. Yours is a thankless job. I don't even want to guess the number of hours you spend doing this. And I bet this isn't guaranteeing your retirement income

I've come to just ignore the rantings of some, but whoseie-whatsie was humorous even in his bitterness. And considering just how nasty some real world events are for many - and the true tragedies that have been for others - complaining about a poster seems somehow misplaced.

 

CT Dysfunctional Members?

Dysfunctional Members?


I find the Grand Cherokee forums very civil and informative with less egotistical attitude from the members. Why the difference??

My purpose for joining was to research the Touareg before buying and now that I own a 2014, to learn and exchange experience of ownership to the benefit of all members and myself. Due to the frequent negative posts, I decided months ago to only read the posts and not comment or offer any suggestions. This one-upmanship attitude of offering technical knowledge is not conducive for having a successful Touareg community.
:hug:

 

Big props to the Mods. Truly a thankless job. As for the topic, it's probably several factors. I've learned a ton here, though. A ton. I ignore the noise most of the time...same thing in my job.

Interestingly, I was on Vortex long before CT. I think this forum is significantly better than the Touareg section on Vortex, then and now.

 

Big thanks to Nickm for his assistance earlier. Much appreciated.

 

So how do i fix my centre console again?

 

Many props to the Mods for the job they do. You all continue to make this an awesome place!

I'd have to say that the changes are part of the maturation process of the platform itself (The Touareg platform). I was part of Club B5 (B5 Passat platform) for a long time and it went through similar changes.

What happened there and what is happening here is that as the auto platform has aged, it has become much more affordable for people. Which brings in a whole different group of people, with new experiences and questions to old (to us anyways) problems. I've also noticed that proportionally more of these people are NOT mechanically inclined, but ARE inclined to do the work themselves - saving the cost of dealer work. Which brings in a different set of issues - how do you explain a <insert name of any special VW tool here> to someone who doesn't know the difference between Hex and Torx?

I'm NOT trying to say anyone is better or anything here, just that it's a different group of owners that are starting to show up. Like Club B5, some of them skew towards the younger age group too. I think it's great, but it requires some patience, understanding, and us to help them out. It's kind of like kids sometimes, in that it can be tiring. But ultimately, we're here to help each other. We can do that.

 

Many props to the Mods for the job they do. You all continue to make this an awesome place! I'd have to say that the changes are part of the maturation process of the platform itself (The Touareg platform). I was part of Club B5 (B5 Passat platform) for a long time and it went through similar changes. What happened there and what is happening here is that as the auto platform has aged, it has become much more affordable for people. Which brings in a whole different group of people, with new experiences and questions to old (to us anyways) problems. I've also noticed that proportionally more of these people are NOT mechanically inclined, but ARE inclined to do the work themselves - saving the cost of dealer work. Which brings in a different set of issues - how do you explain a <insert name of any special VW tool here> to someone who doesn't know the difference between Hex and Torx? I'm NOT trying to say anyone is better or anything here, just that it's a different group of owners that are starting to show up. Like Club B5, some of them skew towards the younger age group too. I think it's great, but it requires some patience, understanding, and us to help them out. It's kind of like kids sometimes, in that it can be tiring. But ultimately, we're here to help each other. We can do that.

Good insight and I agree with what you said.

+1 on the job of the moderators.
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An interesting perspective you brought up, Amoeba. Makes sense to me. I would be among the new set of folks inclined to DIY as I always have on past cars (and even my home renovation) and am not inclined to delve into the intensely-technical aspects of automotive engineering as some more expert minds are trained to do. I respect the higher knowledge-base of members as well as the layman inquisitions from new owners. And patience is definitely needed along with basic respect, on and off line.

My touareg and I will complete one year together next week, and part of the reason we have reached this one year anniversary is due to the overall helpful nature of this forum to the point where I can now give back some of the knowledge that i have learned and experienced to other members when questions arise that I can help out with. Despite the bickering, head-butting, ego-strutting that makes some discussions turn personal, I hope to continue my willing participation on CT.

 

Personally, I don't think Nick does a good job of moderating.