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#1 ·
Hi all,

Looking to get a sense of the forum. I have an '07 V10, offroad grey on teak, fully loaded (4-zone HVAC, center and rear diff, push button start, adaptive headlights, keyless entry, etc.). Tow package.

127k miles on it today, no problems with it and super clean and has a solid extended warranty (transferrable) good through 2016 or 154k miles. Covers all the mechanicals and alot of the systems.

I bought this car in September '13 and life has taken a few changes in direction (surprise new pregnancy, a few other things). Ironically, besides needing two new batteries early on in it's life, this german tank has been the most reliable and solid vehicle we've owned the last 9 months.

I'm asking this solely for planning purposes but can anyone give an estimate of what the private party value would be?

Thanks - Joe

P.s. A few add-ons that are probably of some value and worth mentioning: Remote webasto heater activated/installed, Integrated K40 radar/laser system (really nice, very expensive unit), DPFs gutted and Malone tuned to run without (passes PA inspection), tinted.
 
#3 ·
What are the prices on KBB and NADA for you vehicle? That's a good ballpark number but not a good real world number. No emissions equipment will probably be a killer, since many need emissions in their area.

Then again, these V10's are so rare, it may get snapped up.

My personal guess is $28K.
 
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#4 ·
Wow, my guess is you meant $18k :)

There's no way it's worth $28k! hehehe

Appreciate the feedback. My understanding from Malone is that it shouldn't have a problem passing almost every emissions test - it runs clean (just like a 2004 v10 that never came with DPFs) and passes a visual test since it retains it's DPF canisters. They are just gutted.

I haven't had to deal with it personally to be fair.
 
#5 ·
No I meant 28K but looked it on KBB and DAMN the prices have dropped on these things. I keep looking to get out of mine but in reality I should just drive it into the ground. I just spent $1600 on it and that was after extended warranty spent $4600.

So 20K could be reasonable with extended warranty and a stealth tune, IF you can find the right buyer.
 
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#6 ·
Buyers do tend to beat a path to your door with V10s. That said I think you are in the right range if you have 18K in your head.
 
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#7 ·
Hard to say for sure without knowing all the options and overall condition of the car. I am assuming it is loaded because it is a v10. NADA guides guesstimate would be between 18-20k. In this case your mileage is a negative when estimating the value of the vehicle dropping the value by almost 2k. The warranty can be an added cost on top of the asking price for the vehicle. You could contact your warranty holder to ask how much value (how much they would give to you if you cancelled it) is remaining on the warranty to get an idea of the asking price for that.
 
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#8 ·
V10 Pricing

Another thing to consider is the region. I sold my 06 V10 with 83K miles on it and people are not beating down your doors to get it at least in the North east. Let's face it, while I sorely miss my Touareg, and I do. People are really leery of buying one with mileage considering the potential large repair bills. I sold mine for 21K and that was not easy. The prices on these vehicles have dropped considering age and other things and are not easy to sell, but I caveat that as it seems to region dependent to a large extent.

Personally, I would love and am seriously considering jumping back in to a 07-08 touareg V8 or possibly V10 but it would have to be low miles!
 
#9 ·
I've an '07 v10 in great condition mechanically and cosmetically w/122k miles. The way I see it the best "value" I can get would be by trading it in and looking for the $18k point against the trade. +/- $1k would be my threshold of pain.

As I view it the ONLY reason I am even thinking of punting out the V10 is to step up to a larger vehicle now that there are 2 large dogs + a significant other & associated gear on road-trips AND the 'Reg doesn't handle the 27ft box trailer as well as I would like when things are other than calm winds.

It pains me that there is no modern larger VW V10 alternative. My 'Reg has been (in relative terms) cheap to own and reliable as the day is long. In 100k miles I've had: 2 sets brake pads, 1 set rotors + 1 driveshaft + 1 thermostat + 2 sets tires + now looking to need new batteries. Pretty much it doesn't get better than that given the duty-cycle for how the machine is used.

I am scared to death about stepping up/out to a GMC 2500, Ford F-250 or Suburban/Yukon XL platform will be like stepping back 25yrs in tech and be LESS reliable in the long run.

For those of you reading this and having left the V10 behind in favor of something else - do you regret it?
 
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Splitting your vehicles is the likely scenario you'll end up at, as I did.

Current Treg is a fantastic vehicle, for the most part as quick as the V10, with much better handling, fuel efficiency and size than my V10 had...its also impeccable in terms of reliability. I don't miss the V10 - ever.

The 2500 pulls better and pulls ANYTHING. I can load up anything I want and not worry. I don't ever use it unless I'm hauling something...its not a luxury vehicle despite the $65K price tag it carries (Denali HD)...when it comes to towing, I don't miss the V10 - ever.

The 2500 also has 4WD with rear locker and low range...not anywhere near as advanced as the Treg, but certainly more than capable of getting you through any off road requirements you might have. I don't off road much so this is not really a relevant category for me.

Air suspension is neat, but I've never been as in love with it as many other have...I put a rudimentary auto levelling airbag system on the 2500, lets me load level without the hassle of WD and other gadgets.

And I certainly don't miss the week or month in the shop to replace the driveshaft, turbos, to whatever else it needed at the time...only way I could stand it was I had a Treg V8 as a 2nd vehicle (yeah I know that's weird).

If I had it again I might go with something ultra fuel efficient like an E250 bluetec and keep the 2500...I won't be giving up the T3 anytime soon though..I'm intending on driving it into the ground.

Hope that helps
 
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#10 ·
I'm kind of jealous of your situation. I love, love LOVE my '07 V10, but wish I had the 4-zone climatronic & rear diff lock (not that it EVER goes off road), but I'll concede those options for the campy white/teak combination that I have.

Regardless, while you've certainly given a compelling argument for selling the 'reg, something to consider is what you've already mentioned: nothing currently on the market compares to the mighty V10 TDI, & not just in terms of the motor. 2-speed transfercase, air suspension, fit/finish/luxury, PLUS the motor. An unbeatable combination that only the Jeep GC comes anywhere close to matching, and that's a very distant second. (Someone here on the board recently posted that they traded their 'reg for the diesel GC, & hate it & have regretted the decision since day 1.) Don't be that guy.

I love mine far too much to let it go at this point. I'm willing to pony up to replace the DPFs & an airbag shock or two, when the time comes. It's worth it to me, anyway.

G/L brother.
 

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Full disclosure, BTW; I DID have extended warranty do about $15K worth of replacement work at the dealer about 18 months ago. (It's amazing how far a few cases of beer & a little sweet talk will get you with the tech doing the inspection with regards to replacing parts that haven't failed yet, but likely will in the future...)
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#12 ·
My future-repair expectations are:
a) DPF's being a 80-100k part, I'm already on bonus time = punch them and recode ECU for roughly $800
b) Air Suspension - towing that big old trailer and race car, I presume I will get a blow-out one of these days which means a couple grand in replacement of at least that end of the truck
c) Turbos - again because I think I'm nearing bonus time on the original units...
d) Electrical wierdness HOPEFULLY attributable to 7yr old batteries - but I have fear...
 
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#13 ·
Hey Rob- As a semi-experienced Touareg'er, let me put your mind at ease on a few things:
A) a good solution to the DPFs. I have a performance tune on mine & I like to keep things stock otherwise, so I'll replace those with new for ~$1200. I'm @ 113K mi on the originals, so I'm in the same boat as you.
B)For the airshocks and compressor, check out this linkhttps://www.arnottindustries.com/part_PORSCHE_yid22_pid163.html Their $456/ is significantly better than the $1840 list price on the OEM part. Many here have had good luck with their parts.
C) I wouldn't worry too much about the turbos.The '07s are much more reliable than the '04s. I haven't heard of too many actual failures post '06. I got mine replaced because they had oily blowby on them from the leaking exhaust manifold, but had not failed at all. (again, beer & sweet talk to the tech)
D) Electrical weirdness is always the result of batteries that are at the end of their life, and it's unpredictable what will result. Everybody sees something different. Don't sweat that unless you replace BOTH batteries & it's still acting up.
G/L with it. (great car lineup, BTW)
 
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Those are good call-outs. I am familiar with the the Arnott products and figured they would be THE source when it happens. I just assumed I would do all 4 corners given that the damper assembly inside the air-spring still is a wear component and must be reduced in it's efficiency relative to new. I wish there was a metric to measure that degradation over time.

However you've given me new info on the turbos, I hadn't detected that the '06 onward was different on the effective MTBF when contrasted to the earlier years.

Also I hear you on the +1 vote for do the darn batteries and as the saying goes "suck it up, buttercup.."

Actually in the what-if thinking. It would be interesting to make a longer-wheel base 'Reg... But far 'simpler' to stuff the V10 and driveline/suspension under a Suburban 2500 body & Frame...

What a machine that would be. Plenty of room for dogs, gear, people and STILL tow whatever the heck you want, stop it, and keep it from swaying.
 
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#15 ·
So I've been bouncing around the forums the last several hours trying to decide if I should keep or dump my Treg. I picked it up in August of 2012 with 106k miles on it and now have maybe 120k.
I've done the tandem pump, alternator, dual battery isolator(whatever it is), two new batteries, thermostat, two HID bulbs same side, and now its back at the shop for something with the charging system again. I'm also having high pressure issues with the A/C where it cuts out if I hit the recirc button or get stuck in traffic on a 85degree day.

The battery isolator(or whatever) had corrosion and now the cent conv modual has corrosion. So perhaps the previous owner took the vehicle swimming, I'm having water retention issues or who knows.

I just can't find a suitable replacement for this vehicle. It fits so nicely in the garage and tows like such a dream. Its such a love-hate relationship with this vehicle. So if somehow its just my specific Touareg(which the forums lead me to believe its not necessarily the case) I'm ready to make a trip to PA and offer you reasonable cash and dump mine on the side of the road on the way. In the 22 months I've owned it, its been in the shop probably 3 of them. I understand that its not a cheap vehicle to maintain, but not being able to go more than 5 months between lengthy shop visits is a real pain.

Thoughts?
 
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#16 ·
It sure SOUNDS like maybe you've got a vehicle that was significantly damp inside at one point - or very often. Even down here in Houston - for the 100k miles I've owned it - there is nary a spot of corrosion anywhere. Perhaps that is one to just sell to CarMax and start-over.

Don't buy that one in PA - come down and buy mine - it's never even SEEN road salt. HAHAHAHAHA
 
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#18 ·
It's funny, I've been following V10-related threads for a few months prior to purchasing mine. I've found the following:

1. Most 04s are problematic. This applies to v6, v8, and v10 - and the v10s are of course the harshest on ones wallet.

2. Some 06s are problematic

3. Fewer 07s are problematic

In all cases for v10s, it seems you either have a wallet-sucker or it's easy-going on your life. I.e. you either find someone dropping $1k a year on their touareg or $3-5k a year.

I actually deliberately did not seek out a "my v10 has had everything replaced" model for this reason. Could be purely in my head, but it's something i feel is consistent.

The other things I'll mention:

1. I thought DPFs were a problem based upon early forum reading. They really aren't. Even though mine are gutted, I don't think there's been a single v10 DPF - whether at 100k or 200k miles - that became clogged.

2. The 04 turbos were problematic. It's pretty rare to see an 07 have primary turbo failure (i.e. it wasn't for some other freak reason). I'd have some faith in the fact that VW knows how to make turbo diesels and that they have a very good history with turbo diesels and that overall, as a class, turbo diesels are solid. Like anything, they need good maintenance too.

3. Use of the forum AND A GOOD INDEPENDENT or good dealership (who doesn't rip you off) makes an absolute world of difference on these machines. I mean, when I came on here I read that engine R&R was a 30 hour job. Now I've seen several folks, often DIYers with alot of tools and no prior experience, do it in 8-15 hours. That's an enormous difference in hourly cost.
 
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#19 ·
Also, to reply to the original purpose of this thread:

My warranty has a remaining value of about $1300 which is reflective of 2 years and ~25,000 miles left on it.

Which that in mind, and the feedback I received from here, I think I'm going to post up the Touareg when the time comes for $18,500 sometime in July with a goal of transferring ownership in September. We'll see what happens.
 
#20 ·
When I have mentally tott'd up the figures over my ownership period I would say I am in the $1k-$1.5k annual maintenance & repair. The majority of that spend is preventative maintenance. Personally my extended warranty did not pay for itself which is out of the norm I know.

:) I guess I have a good one. :)

Repairs I've done out of warranty:
a. Pads & rotors once
b. Brake pads again
c. Drive-shaft
d. 2 sets tires (over 90k of usage)
e. Thermostat - that was pricey
f. New batteries is about to happen next

I wish my driveway was bigger - I should just keep it.
 
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#22 ·
just to give you an idea of the market out there for used v-10's, and yea i love my current and loved my first one. I sold my 2004 v-10 in January with 214000 miles on it for $10k, and bought a 2006 with 60,000 miles on it for $24k. Funny thing is that engine oil analyses came back better with the 04? But i like the o6 better as it seems they got alot of bugs out of it. And i like the fact that theres a little more room to work under the hood. i swear you could get the tandem pump out of it without removing the exhaust intake. Its a different engine model, guess i will eventually have to deal with the dpf.
 
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#23 ·
if your luck is anything like mine - the vw's i bought always commanded full retail pricing even when used. however, i considered myself lucky to sell them for wholesale or rough book pricing despite immaculate care and all the service records for scheduled maintenance per the owner's manual

cjg
 
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#24 ·
Interesting factoid.. I was researching the dealer trade-in, vs. the dealer-selling price of our beloved V10's vs. Excursions and Suburbans etc. In general the dollars to be "made" by the KBB data for VW's is only a couple grand between buy and sell price. However on the Excusions etc the spread was roughly $10k giving the dealer much larger profit margins.

Also interesting that the "values" for a 120k mile '07 v10 were roughly on par for the '05 Excursion diesel of similar miles. Granted KBB's data is only a data-point and not really representative of where deals actually close.

All I know is with two people, two big dogs (weimaraner & choco lab) and some luggage my Egg isn't big enough anymore. :( In this one angle domestication sucks!
 
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#25 ·
Values on the Ford 6.0 diesels are waaay off. Almost no wholesaler will touch them (or the 6.4 for that matter). The overwhelming desire of these engines to self destruct have made them worthless to most...but you know there is one born every minute and dealers take advantage of that.
 
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#26 ·
At the VW dealership now getting an oil change and fuel filter replaced. Need to replace an AFS-related bulb and brake pads, polish the exterior, then listing it for sale.

The values of these are just impossible to really well benchmark. It really comes down to "someone wants to own a really unique vehicle and is willing to buy it for X" pushed against, "I need to sell this car and this period of time and am willing to take Y".

Cars.com is all over the place but my guess is the $17k-22k range is correct for this vehicle/condition/equipment level.

We shall see!
 
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