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Discussion starter · #21 ·
Have you cleaned the scuttle/plenum chamber drains - the ones that take the water off the front windscreen/shield down into the front wings?



I like it when you talk dirty. I will look into it, I did not do it.


TRansmission fluid R&R'd too?

yessir, 3k miles ago.




He needs a 5w-40 that is full synthetic and LOW saps for the DPF he has, 505.01 is not full synthetic, it is petroleum based. I'd try to find 12 qts of Mobil 1 Formula M 5w-40 on sale, it is full synthetic, can be found at dodge chrysler dealerships, Mercedes dealerships, pep boys and Napa auto parts too, hopefully on sale, buy a few cases of 6 qts each.
Still under warranty, gotta stick to VW certified standard, which is 507. That it's why I am thinking of experimenting with oil additives.

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Say, my 07 V10 calls for either 505 01 or 507 00. I think that most have agreed to a 5W-40 is what is needed in the V10 because of the very thin cam lobs on the intake & exh. valves & the very high fuel pressure loads on the injector lobs. To much load on the lobs, my be a hit country song!
I would run the correct oil & not EXPERIMENT with additives. As you know new V10s are pricey. The 507 spec has no 40W available, it is all 30W. You should consider a 40W. Check your sticker under the hood & see if says 505 01 or 507 00, if so think about a good 505 01 full syn in the 5W-40 . Good luck & sounds like you did with an air filter change to clear codes. Priceless. PEACE
 
Discussion starter · #23 ·
Sorry, had a brain fart, it is 507.00. My bad! I will look into the 505.01.

EDIT: I am confused. 505.01 is not an approved oil for my application from searching online. Why are you guys suggesting this? I am still under warranty for another 35K miles and intend to keep it. Is the 505 listed in the manual? I have to check tomorrow. Off to bed!
 
Sorry, had a brain fart, it is 507.00. My bad! I will look into the 505.01.

EDIT: I am confused. 505.01 is not an approved oil for my application from searching online. Why are you guys suggesting this? I am still under warranty for another 35K miles and intend to keep it. Is the 505 listed in the manual? I have to check tomorrow. Off to bed!
505.01 is the oil spec VW came out with to replace 505.00 when Vw came out with the pump dusse cam design. It is a heavy, thick 5w-40 motor oil designed to protect the cam surfaces. In 2006, along came ULSD, along with Diesel particulate filters that can get clogged with ash particles from high sulphated and phospated oils, like 505.00 and 505.01, so the exhaust treatment system on North American 2006 and 2007 Touaregs forced VW to offer a 507.00 motor oil, that they spec'd as a 5w 30 for newer,lighter 4 valve per head TDI motors, with much less valve train wear.... it is too thin for your PD motor, long term, for the drive train.

What you really, really really need is a true full synthetic group 4 or group 5 5w-40 CJ-4 rated motor oil.... something like Mobil 1 Delvac 1 ESP formula 5w-40 or Mobil 1 Formula M 5w-40 for the cam surface of your motor. Any 5w-30 is just not viscous enough to protect from a cam failure. Especially if you are making lots of heat using lots of fuel towing a race car trailer.

Go over to TDIclub.com and do a search on oils recommended for PD type motors, AND with DPF filters on the exhaust system... which was unique to the Touaregs of 2006 and 2007 with the fuel switched nation wide to ULSD from 500 ppm sulfur to 15ppm sulfur diesel fuel.
That is what makes it a maze, and complicated.... call it progress if you will.
 
505.01 is the oil spec VW came out with to replace 505.00 when Vw came out with the pump dusse cam design. It is a heavy, thick 5w-40 motor oil designed to protect the cam surfaces. In 2006, along came ULSD, along with Diesel particulate filters that can get clogged with ash particles from high sulphated and phospated oils, like 505.00 and 505.01, so the exhaust treatment system on North American 2006 and 2007 Touaregs forced VW to offer a 507.00 motor oil, that they spec'd as a 5w 30 for newer,lighter 4 valve per head TDI motors, with much less valve train wear.... it is too thin for your PD motor, long term, for the drive train.

What you really, really really need is a true full synthetic group 4 or group 5 5w-40 CJ-4 rated motor oil.... something like Mobil 1 Delvac 1 ESP formula 5w-40 or Mobil 1 Formula M 5w-40 for the cam surface of your motor. Any 5w-30 is just not viscous enough to protect from a cam failure. Especially if you are making lots of heat using lots of fuel towing a race car trailer.
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Also use this oils to protect the camshaft on a r5 engine
 
Discussion starter · #26 ·
So you're saying I should not have warranty issues even if I use 505.01 oil?

BTW, the code came back this morning, but it did not come back after clearing it. It rained yesterday and it is warm & humid today. I notified the dealership and asked them to make note of it on my account.
 
So you're saying I should not have warranty issues even if I use 505.01 oil?

BTW, the code came back this morning, but it did not come back after clearing it. It rained yesterday and it is warm & humid today.
No, I am saying your warranty will be long gone when your cams fail on either 505.01 or 507.00, and VW won't warranty them when your car is 7 years old. Go educate your self on motor oil needs for your very unique motor /year configuration on your V-10 TDI on TDIclub.com and ask some questions there in the fuel and lubricants section. YOU have a motor, a very, very expensive one, with sh*t design of offset lobes that are narrow for the amount of load on the valve train, as well as injectors on that cam that push the cam in opposite directions, one direction for the valves, the other direction for the jerk pump injectors, due to the rocker arm feature.

Go educate yourself by surfing on TDIclub about pump dusse motor design and oil requirements, then keep in the back of your mind that you have a special exhaust system on your limited year ULSD running V10 touareg, that makes the specs for oil to be met very, very critical.

Seek, and ye shall find...

AS much as I like VW's, Touaregs, and TDI motors, I would never, ever, ever buy or own a V-10 TDI in Pump dusse configuration.... it is far too problematic, and every single owner that I have ever had a ride with (over 20 at this point in time) , has been abusive in the use of the motor and throttle application. Just because 500 ft lbs is there does not mean you should be using it all the time.

The motor design is problematic, the whole car is problematic, too sophisticated, no one knows how to trouble shoot problems on them here in the USA, they eat tires, they eat brakes and they eat the contents inside your wallet maintaining them in a reasonable manner.
 
a lot of folks that want the 507.00 spec (which your vehicle requires) with 5W-40 use the Mobil ESP Formula M 5w-40. If you go the 5w-40 route note that "ESP" (Emissions System Protection) on the Mobil container is important. That said, I had an 06V10TDI and you can use 505.01 (which is 5w-40) but VW cautions that regular use of the 505.01 oil will expire your DPF early because the low SAP emissions system protection is not included in the 505.01 formulated oil so I personally would not even consider using the 505.01 spec., not even once.

Why VW did not come out with a low SAP 5w-40 for the V10 doesn't make sense to me, but they didn't
 
So you're saying I should not have warranty issues even if I use 505.01 oil?
You actually could have DPF warranty issues if they find you used 505.01 since VW says it will expire your DPF early and to use 507.00! (the DPF system is expensive to repair. For that reason alone, I would not use 505.01 in this vehicle)

VW, the others in this thread, and myself ALL agree that your vehicle needs the low SAPs found in 507.00 AND NOT found in 505.01 to protect the expensive DPF system. So I would remove 505.01 from any consideration for this vehicle.

True 507.00 VW spec'ed oil is only 5w-30. I know that the PD engine on the Passat TDI (I have this vehicle) needs 5w-40 but has no low SAPs needs (no DPF system) so 505.01 oil is what is reccommended and is what I use and it is fine. The consensus on the TDIClub is that a 5w-30 oil would be bad for the cams on the PD Passat.

As crazy as this may sound, there is no true VW spec. oil that meets both the DPF low SAP requirements and is a 5w-40 oil. Folks that subscribe to 5w-40 in the '06V10 for cam protection like to use an excellent oil that is Mercedes-Benz spec'ed, is a 5w-40 oil, and has the DPF low SAP protection. It is Mobil ESP Formula M 5w-40.
 
Discussion starter · #30 ·
@Niner
I am mostly well versed in the implications of owning a V10. However, your suggestions of 505.01 are what threw me off. You seem to contribute enough, but I think you could have worded your post a little............less douchey? There is no need to be condescending.

And yes, VW will/should cover my vehicle despite being 7/10 years old, because I have an extended service contract through Fidelity which I have stated several times over, had you cared to read and remember before posting.

@csTDi
Thank you for that bit of info on the oil and it reflects my understanding of the whole oil spec debate in the VAG automotive realm.

Lets not forget, this thread is not for oil discussion, its for the specific diagnostic code posted in the title and its resolution. I will keep it updated in that regard. I will post back any and all of my findings as I go along with VW service.
 
@Niner
I am mostly well versed in the implications of owning a V10. However, your suggestions of 505.01 are what threw me off. You seem to contribute enough, but I think you could have worded your post a little............less douchey? There is no need to be condescending.

And yes, VW will/should cover my vehicle despite being 7/10 years old, because I have an extended service contract through Fidelity which I have stated several times over, had you cared to read and remember before posting.

@csTDi
Thank you for that bit of info on the oil and it reflects my understanding of the whole oil spec debate in the VAG automotive realm.

Lets not forget, this thread is not for oil discussion, its for the specific diagnostic code posted in the title and its resolution. I will keep it updated in that regard. I will post back any and all of my findings as I go along with VW service.

As far as North America goes, a V10 tdi motor may as well be a Ferrari, in terms of it's oil requirements. This it completely a caveat emptor situation on a $70,000 wunderdiesel V10 motor with unique cam and injection design that VW and Bosch quickly terminated here in the USA... they ran with it for 3 years... 2004 through 2006... that's how long the PD design lasted in the USA...VW dumped it. As I said, caveat emptor.

I've stated what I know about V10's, pump dusses, and American motor oils. Slim pickens... do your homework before you jump in.

The PD is a simple system... if you are having uneven fueling problems, it 's a few things... PD injectors wrecked from running biodiesel in too high a percentage, over 5%, crank angle sensors fallen out or gone bad, or cam wear / follower wear, from running the wrong oil or abusing the motor at higher rpms and heavy loads too frequently, usually on the lobes of the valves, affecting breathing enough air and incomplete combustion, and lower rpms on that particular cylinder, which throws off the reading on the crank angle sensor, and it being out of spec.

Put it on VCDS and read what your fuel injection variances are on all 10 cylinders. Maybe think a little bit about what could cause your problems. Or search.

These are my observations... YMMV... but you bought a Ferrari, expect the finickyness and price tags for repairs that come with such an exotic SUV.

If you knew more VW history, from owning them longer, you'd know the history of pump dusse motors and their oil requirements. They all require a 5w-40 based motor oil. 505.01 meets that spec in all PD injector based motors.

The fly in the ointment is that VW put DPF filters on the touareg V-10 to meet DOT transportation pollution requirements with new ULSD.... VW put them on there as an after thought. It screwed you, the consumer,on suitable oils for both the PD design and the DPF requirements... they can NOT be met with any existing oil in the USA. 30 weight VW oil, all of them, wreck cams, 40 weight oils, most all of them, wreck DPF's. It's a catch 22 situation. One oil the ESP M, is not VW approved, but it is MB 229.51 spec approved, which happens to be a spec that all VW 507.00 oils happen to share with MB 229.51 approval also. So in a round about way, those are your options.... Wreck your cam with 507.00, wreck your DPF with 505.01, or try to save both with a 5w-40 MB 229.51 motor oil, and not worry about warranty coverage, it's over with on your 2006 anyways, isn't it? 5 years 60 k miles is it, correct?


BTW, being Dutch, I apologize in advance for my writing style,, not just this thread, all of them. Not my intent to come across as condescending, just seems to happen that way through the keyboard, knowing that Germans have high expectations of the knowledge of their car owners, and the service needs, something that kind of gets lost on most Americans.

Not saying you, that you did the tranny fluid tells me you are on top of your game, but the airfilters... maybe not so much???

My prediction is that your cams are worn, due to driving style, or injectors need R&R, due to too much biodiesel or water in your fuel... there are micro orfices the fuel passes through from the fuel rail to get into the injectors. too much biodiesel or water makes them rust up and clog up, and starve the injector for fuel to feed the motor under hard driving heavy fueling applications.


Drop your TDI off at the VW dealership and do not take it out of the shop until they fix the problem... you are too close to mileage to be out of warranty if your cams are worn out from 507.00 30 weight motor oil. Either way, they will need to pull the valve covers to inpsect the cam or replace damaged/worn/clogged injectors... so get a print out in the measureing blocks on VCDS for fuel flow per injector.... and the variances... I know it was in Group 13, Basic settings that I checked on VW ALH diesel motors. Find a TDI guru, log the readings, and get a printout in hand what the fuel flow variances are for all 10 cylinders, before you let the VW dealership touch it, and before you go out of warranty on the mileage on your V10....
 
505.01 is the oil spec VW came out with to replace 505.00 when Vw came out with the pump dusse cam design. It is a heavy, thick 5w-40 motor oil designed to protect the cam surfaces. In 2006, along came ULSD, along with Diesel particulate filters that can get clogged with ash particles from high sulphated and phospated oils, like 505.00 and 505.01, so the exhaust treatment system on North American 2006 and 2007 Touaregs forced VW to offer a 507.00 motor oil, that they spec'd as a 5w 30 for newer,lighter 4 valve per head TDI motors, with much less valve train wear.... it is too thin for your PD motor, long term, for the drive train.

What you really, really really need is a true full synthetic group 4 or group 5 5w-40 CJ-4 rated motor oil.... something like Mobil 1 Delvac 1 ESP formula 5w-40 or Mobil 1 Formula M 5w-40 for the cam surface of your motor. Any 5w-30 is just not viscous enough to protect from a cam failure. Especially if you are making lots of heat using lots of fuel towing a race car trailer.

Go over to TDIclub.com and do a search on oils recommended for PD type motors, AND with DPF filters on the exhaust system... which was unique to the Touaregs of 2006 and 2007 with the fuel switched nation wide to ULSD from 500 ppm sulfur to 15ppm sulfur diesel fuel.
That is what makes it a maze, and complicated.... call it progress if you will.
There are 3 non VW oils attached and as claimed by the manufacturer's only 2 meet VW506.01.

I had been using the Penrite oil for about 32,000kms with changes at about 8,000kms with engine flush product at every oil change.
I have had 2 oil samples taken over the last 14,000kms and was not happy with the results so i have changed to the Amsoil product.

I don't have DPF's but all 3 oils claim to be suitable with them due to low ash content anyway.

What I wanted was the extra high temp shear rating from the Amsoil product to help with the dreaded cam load wear due to the narrow intake ,exhaust lobes of the PD engine.
As far as I can in all other specs the Amsoil meets or exceeds my V10 engines needs.

Just another different option taken on oils

Will see how the oil sample is in about 7,000kms and post result.

Amsoil

http://www.amsoil.com/lit/databulletins/g2245.pdf

Liquimoly

http://www.liqui-moly.de/liquimoly/...ngtime Plus SAE 0W-30_EN.pdf/$file/1150 Synthoil Longtime Plus SAE 0W-30_EN.pdf


regards
Drag
 

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Shear is the issue so it will be interesting to see how you get on.
 
Discussion starter · #35 ·
So the code kept coming back once every week since the filter change and the dealer diagnosed the next problem along the chain to be the MAF sensor on the driver-side intake path. It failed 3 tests consistently. Warranty is paying for the replacement, I just have to pay the $100 deductible. Total replacement cost is ~550 I think.
 
Discussion starter · #37 ·
Dealer decided to swap boost sensors based on VW Tech-lines recommendation to see if the error was from the sensor itself and if it would point to the other bank. The code came back immediately after the swap and it stayed on the same bank as before. They now think it is the passenger side ECM since the code comes on even before the engine is turned on sometimes. Since its a repair > 1500$, an adjuster for Fidelity will need to stop by and approve the repairs. Will keep thread updated.
 
Discussion starter · #38 ·
Well, here I am at the dealer getting the ECM replaced and nothing was working with the new ECM. Turns out, they need to be replaced in pairs. LOL. Oh! the joys of owning a V10. The Fidelity Adjuster may need to come out again, dunno. I might get a loaner for now.

Cost of extended Warranty = 3800
Cost of dual ECM replacement = 3800 + labor

Can't tell if I should pat myself on the back for getting the warranty or kick myself in the nuts for owning a V10. lol.
 
Well, here I am at the dealer getting the ECM replaced and nothing was working with the new ECM. Turns out, they need to be replaced in pairs. LOL. Oh! the joys of owning a V10. The Fidelity Adjuster may need to come out again, dunno. I might get a loaner for now.
From the looks of it I wouldn't call these guys experts...maybe look elsewhere after they manage to conclude their "trials and errors"...
 
Discussion starter · #40 ·
They really are the best option for a V10 here in Raleigh and they already replaced my turbos etc under warranty without any problems. I think they know what they are doing and have not let me down yet. Got a Passat loaner for now. We have a long trip planned for next weekend, hopefully, everything will work out by then.
 
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