the big question is... will it have air suspension?
2013 Porsche Cayenne Diesel: 28 MPG And 406 Lb-Ft O' Torque
2013 Porsche Cayenne Diesel: 28 MPG And 406 Lb-Ft O' Torque
Porsche Cayenne Diesel Headed Stateside?
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the big question is... will it have air suspension?
2013 Porsche Cayenne Diesel: 28 MPG And 406 Lb-Ft O' Torque
2013 Porsche Cayenne Diesel: 28 MPG And 406 Lb-Ft O' Torque
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Or the DSG box? As it says, it's a commuter car who will never need the ft/lbs torque other than to get out of a mall into traffic.
It's a way for Porsche to make one for the ones who can't afford a 911 or buy one by convincing the wife the kids will fit into it
Another 912/924/928 for us purists of course...
siberian
It is gonna have the same tranny as the Touareg so it will not be a DSG.Or the DSG box? As it says, it's a commuter car who will never need the ft/lbs torque other than to get out of a mall into traffic.
It's a way for Porsche to make one for the ones who can't afford a 911 or buy one by convincing the wife the kids will fit into it
Another 912/924/928 for us purists of course...
siberian
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But it's a 'PORSCH'!!
Ain't that pretty cloisonne Porsche hood badge worth the extra $$$ - even without the DSG? [wink]
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Bringing the Cayenne TDI is probably Porsche's effort to get their CAFE up just a whisker before the US Gov'mnt jumps all over them in 2015?
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CAFE definition from Wikipedia:
The Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) are regulations in the United States, first enacted by the U.S. Congress in 1975,[1] and intended to improve the average fuel economy of cars and light trucks (trucks, vans and sport utility vehicles) sold in the US in the wake of the 1973 Arab Oil Embargo. Historically, it is the sales-weighted harmonic mean fuel economy, expressed in miles per US gallon (mpg), of a manufacturer's fleet of current model year passenger cars or light trucks with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 8,500 pounds (3,856 kg) or less, manufactured for sale in the US. If the average fuel economy of a manufacturer's annual fleet of vehicle production falls below the defined standard, the manufacturer must pay a penalty, currently $5.50 USD per 0.1 mpg under the standard, multiplied by the manufacturer's total production for the U.S. domestic market. In addition, a Gas Guzzler Tax is levied on individual passenger car models (but not trucks, vans, minivans, or SUVs) that get less than 22.5 miles per US gallon (10.5 l/100 km).[2]
Starting in 2011 the CAFE standards are newly expressed as mathematical functions depending on vehicle "footprint", a measure of vehicle size determined by multiplying the vehicle’s wheelbase by its average track width. [3] CAFE footprint requirements are set up such that a vehicle with a bigger footprint has a lower fuel economy requirement than a vehicle with a smaller footprint. For example, the 2012 Honda Fit with a footprint of 40 sq ft (3.7 m2) must achieve fuel economy (as measured for CAFE) of 36 miles per US gallon (6.5 l/100 km), equivalent to a published fuel economy of 27 miles per US gallon (8.7 l/100 km), while a Ford F-150 with its footprint of 65–75 sq ft (6.0–7.0 m2) must achieve CAFE fuel economy of 22 miles per US gallon (11 l/100 km), i.e., 17 miles per US gallon (14 l/100 km) published.
Thus, at the current ~18 MPG, the Porsche Cayenne's (4.2L) relatively poor average fuel economy already penalizes Porsche as a manufacturer under the current 2011 CAFE standards.
When the revised 2017 CAFE standards become effective the CAFE penalties will be dramatically increased.
Adding the Porsche Cayenne TDI model - with average fuel economy projected at ~23 MPG - to the US market will improve Porsche's CAFE and potentially will reduce future CAFE penalties levied against Porsche as a manufacturer.
So, I see the Porsche Cayenne TDI model addition to the US market as tactical not strategic and intended to counter rising CAFE standards.
The Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) are regulations in the United States, first enacted by the U.S. Congress in 1975,[1] and intended to improve the average fuel economy of cars and light trucks (trucks, vans and sport utility vehicles) sold in the US in the wake of the 1973 Arab Oil Embargo. Historically, it is the sales-weighted harmonic mean fuel economy, expressed in miles per US gallon (mpg), of a manufacturer's fleet of current model year passenger cars or light trucks with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 8,500 pounds (3,856 kg) or less, manufactured for sale in the US. If the average fuel economy of a manufacturer's annual fleet of vehicle production falls below the defined standard, the manufacturer must pay a penalty, currently $5.50 USD per 0.1 mpg under the standard, multiplied by the manufacturer's total production for the U.S. domestic market. In addition, a Gas Guzzler Tax is levied on individual passenger car models (but not trucks, vans, minivans, or SUVs) that get less than 22.5 miles per US gallon (10.5 l/100 km).[2]
Starting in 2011 the CAFE standards are newly expressed as mathematical functions depending on vehicle "footprint", a measure of vehicle size determined by multiplying the vehicle’s wheelbase by its average track width. [3] CAFE footprint requirements are set up such that a vehicle with a bigger footprint has a lower fuel economy requirement than a vehicle with a smaller footprint. For example, the 2012 Honda Fit with a footprint of 40 sq ft (3.7 m2) must achieve fuel economy (as measured for CAFE) of 36 miles per US gallon (6.5 l/100 km), equivalent to a published fuel economy of 27 miles per US gallon (8.7 l/100 km), while a Ford F-150 with its footprint of 65–75 sq ft (6.0–7.0 m2) must achieve CAFE fuel economy of 22 miles per US gallon (11 l/100 km), i.e., 17 miles per US gallon (14 l/100 km) published.
Thus, at the current ~18 MPG, the Porsche Cayenne's (4.2L) relatively poor average fuel economy already penalizes Porsche as a manufacturer under the current 2011 CAFE standards.
When the revised 2017 CAFE standards become effective the CAFE penalties will be dramatically increased.
Adding the Porsche Cayenne TDI model - with average fuel economy projected at ~23 MPG - to the US market will improve Porsche's CAFE and potentially will reduce future CAFE penalties levied against Porsche as a manufacturer.
So, I see the Porsche Cayenne TDI model addition to the US market as tactical not strategic and intended to counter rising CAFE standards.
Actually a loaded cayenne costs similar dollars to the 911.Or the DSG box? As it says, it's a commuter car who will never need the ft/lbs torque other than to get out of a mall into traffic.
It's a way for Porsche to make one for the ones who can't afford a 911 or buy one by convincing the wife the kids will fit into it
Another 912/924/928 for us purists of course...
siberian
I for one will be all over a cayenne tdi.
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one can only hope it will have 4 zone climate and some other nice options.
The photos show the cargo floor not being raised up higher like what happened on the 2009+ tdi Touaregs. I find this an annoyance because I like as much cargo area height as possible.
Did the newest Cayenne loose the air suspension? I thought it retained that.
PDCC would be sweet combined with air lift.
This thing could see me sell my 2008 BMW 5 series wagon.
The photos show the cargo floor not being raised up higher like what happened on the 2009+ tdi Touaregs. I find this an annoyance because I like as much cargo area height as possible.
Did the newest Cayenne loose the air suspension? I thought it retained that.
PDCC would be sweet combined with air lift.
This thing could see me sell my 2008 BMW 5 series wagon.
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Me too - I hope they offer some decent colours.
Those drives in the Treg from Calgary to Kelowna non-stop are priceless - heck I can almost make it all the way back on the same tank too!
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What makes you think there is no air suspension? A/S is available on all new cayennes sold today as an option.
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Siberian felt a major disturbance in the force, in my last email to him , on political agendas of the world.
The 2012 Cayennes cockpit, is by far and large, my favourite of anything out there in the price range. So much so, I to would be tempted and opt for sub par performance where the numbers count.
, on political agendas of the world. The 2012 Cayennes cockpit, is by far and large, my favourite of anything out there in the price range. So much so, I to would be tempted and opt for sub par performance where the numbers count.
uhhh...just so you guys know the Cayenne Diesel is now on the Porsche USA website.
Cayenne Diesel - All Cayenne Models - All Porsche Vehicles - Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG
Base is $55K
Air suspension is a $4K option
You can get some exotic options such as:
Ceramic composite brakes $8K
18 way adaptive power sport seats 6K
alcantera headliner $2k
illuminated carbon fibre door sills $3K
base is $55K, loaded up is 100K
FYI a loaded cayenne turbo is the same price as a loaded 911 Turbo S...so not sure what you mean by base model Siberian?
Cayenne Diesel - All Cayenne Models - All Porsche Vehicles - Dr. Ing. h.c. F. Porsche AG
Base is $55K
Air suspension is a $4K option
You can get some exotic options such as:
Ceramic composite brakes $8K
18 way adaptive power sport seats 6K
alcantera headliner $2k
illuminated carbon fibre door sills $3K
base is $55K, loaded up is 100K
FYI a loaded cayenne turbo is the same price as a loaded 911 Turbo S...so not sure what you mean by base model Siberian?
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