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#10,721 ·
I just had all the 4 brakes (~$3k)and 4 tires (~$1.5k)on my 12' TDI lux changed last December. It's currently about 87k miles.

I am having a hard time deciding what to do next.

Should I keep running it as much as possible to make the most out of the new tires/brakes? or shall I just sell it back to VW?

I think I read somewhere that VW allows some percentage over the buyback price if trading in for VW vehicle that's more expensive than the buyback price. If that is true, will it be a good idea to keep logging mileage on the car then trade in for a gasser?
 
#10,722 ·
I believe the settlement prevents VW from offering extra incentives to trade in for a new VW. The dealer does not directly process the buyback like a trade in. If it works like the 2.0 liters, the buyback will be done by separate buyback agents, you will get a check or money transfer and then you can go buy whatever you want.
 
#10,723 ·
The settlement does say that once the settlement goes live, that one can trade their vehicle in at the dealer for the same settlement amount as they would normally have received in cash/check/EFT, for the same brand vehicle, VW, Porsche, Audi . . .

No incentive with the buyback/trade other than if the dealer wants to discount the price of the "new" vehicle. I think it did say that if the price of the new vehicle is less, the customer would be provided with the difference.
 
#10,724 ·
saltshaker said:
I think I read somewhere that VW allows some percentage over the buyback price if trading in for VW vehicle that's more expensive than the buyback price. If that is true, will it be a good idea to keep logging mileage on the car then trade in for a gasser?
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The 3.0 settlement allows for a trade-in option, but the "extra" amount over and above the buyback+settlement only applies if there is an outstanding loan on the vehicle. You don't get any extra money for anything you've put into the vehicle above and beyond the specific options listed in the NADA tables used for the buyback.

Might as well keep driving your '14 until the fix is approved and implemented on the one you want, and make sure your dealer knows you have an eye on a specific to-be-fixed TDI. As soon as it's fixed (or before if they let you...never known a dealer to turn down cash), maybe drop a $500 deposit on it and start processing the trade-in paperwork online.
 
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#10,725 ·
m-fine said:
I believe the settlement prevents VW from offering extra incentives to trade in for a new VW. The dealer does not directly process the buyback like a trade in. If it works like the 2.0 liters, the buyback will be done by separate buyback agents, you will get a check or money transfer and then you can go buy whatever you want.
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The settlement prevents VAG and the dealers from offering other incentives in lieu of the court-approved settlement. You can still qualify for loyalty bonuses, special financing, etc if you take the trade-in option on the 3.0.
 
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saltshaker said:
I just had all the 4 brakes (~$3k)and 4 tires (~$1.5k)on my 12' TDI lux changed last December. It's currently about 87k miles.

I am having a hard time deciding what to do next.

Should I keep running it as much as possible to make the most out of the new tires/brakes? or shall I just sell it back to VW?

I think I read somewhere that VW allows some percentage over the buyback price if trading in for VW vehicle that's more expensive than the buyback price. If that is true, will it be a good idea to keep logging mileage on the car then trade in for a gasser?
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If I were you, and you like driving the car, I'd run it as long as I can...as if this whole diesel drama did not exist.

VW has implied the possibility (cough, cough) of a not quite compliant pseudo fix for Gen 1 (this favors VW as they won't have to buy back as many, but requires CARB and EPA to bless it). Whether they come out with a fix or not, you have time to turn it back in for the buyback or pseudo repair ransom.

With that kind of recent spend leaving your wallet, you've already negated the value of any sort of mileage "penalty" buyback adjustment as some Gen 1 owners are busily calculating. Said penalty kicks in if you exceed 1250 miles per month moving forward. With $4.5K spent on tires and brakes...who cares?

My advice? Drive it.
 
#10,727 ·
Jimbuffalo2 said:
If I were you, and you like driving the car, I'd run it as long as I can...as if this whole diesel drama did not exist.

VW has implied the possibility (cough, cough) of a not quite compliant pseudo fix for Gen 1 (this favors VW as they won't have to buy back as many, but requires CARB and EPA to bless it). Whether they come out with a fix or not, you have time to turn it back in for the buyback or pseudo repair ransom.

With that kind of recent spend leaving your wallet, you've already negated the value of any sort of mileage "penalty" buyback adjustment as some Gen 1 owners are busily calculating. Said penalty kicks in if you exceed 1250 miles per month moving forward. With $4.5K spent on tires and brakes...who cares?

My advice? Drive it.
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Yup, drive it. Have all of the buyback paperwork approved and if stuff starts to go sideways set a buyback date and limp it in.
 
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Jimbuffalo2 said:
If I were you, and you like driving the car, I'd run it as long as I can...as if this whole diesel drama did not exist.

VW has implied the possibility (cough, cough) of a not quite compliant pseudo fix for Gen 1 (this favors VW as they won't have to buy back as many, but requires CARB and EPA to bless it). Whether they come out with a fix or not, you have time to turn it back in for the buyback or pseudo repair ransom.

With that kind of recent spend leaving your wallet, you've already negated the value of any sort of mileage "penalty" buyback adjustment as some Gen 1 owners are busily calculating. Said penalty kicks in if you exceed 1250 miles per month moving forward. With $4.5K spent on tires and brakes...who cares?

My advice? Drive it.
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Thanks. I guess I will keep driving and keep an eye on dealer Touareg clearance deals.
 
#10,729 ·
Need new tires soon on my 2010 Touareg TDI, plus at 128k miles I don't want to risk an out of warranty HPFP related repair before the buyback, so have parked it and picked up this Cayenne GTS. i have loved my Touareg, and am a bit sad to get rid of it. I am a long term Porsche guy, so am quite sure I'll love the Cayenne, although will miss the fuel economy of the Touareg!
 

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Need new tires soon on my 2010 Touareg TDI, plus at 128k miles I don't want to risk an out of warranty HPFP related repair before the buyback, so have parked it and picked up this Cayenne GTS. i have loved my Touareg, and am a bit sad to get rid of it. I am a long term Porsche guy, so am quite sure I'll love the Cayenne, although will miss the fuel economy of the Touareg!
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Need to change that sig!
 
#10,732 ·
Bad weather here tonight, and we had to go out, so we took the Treg, as we didn't want to take the chance of the Benz getting hailed on.

After about 80 miles or so, the dang check engine light comes on. Continue? home, and I check it when we get home.

P20EE is the code. Irony of all ironies, it's an EMISSIONS code.

We cannot get rid of this thing FAST enough!!!
 
#10,733 ·
Has it had a nice long run lately and how old is the def fluid?

P20ee Description

The Selective Catalyst Reduction (SCR) catalyst is monitored to ensure it is capable of NOx conversion. The concentration of NOx upstream of the SCR is calculated based on a model. NOx concentration downstream of the SCR is measured with a NOx sensor. Using these concentrations, the cumulative efficiency of the SCR catalyst is calculated and compared to a threshold. If the cumulative efficiency is below this threshold for a sufficient period of time, a fault will be indicated.

The reductant, Diesel Exhaust Fluid (DEF), which is used as part of the SCR catalyst reaction, is monitored to ensure the tank is not refilled with an improper reductant. Upon detection of a refill event, the monitor is activated. After the SCR Catalyst Efficiency Monitor has completed and the SCR has been determined to be functional, the efficiency monitor continues to calculate the cumulative efficiency of the system. Each subsequent value for cumulative efficiency is included in two filtering routines, one for short term efficiency and the other for long term efficiency. If the difference between the two filtered efficiencies becomes greater than a threshold, a fault is indicated. the short term efficiency needs to be less than 0.20 and the delta between short and long term efficiency needs to be greater than 0.10.
 
#10,735 ·
Take a few long trips. Good chance you might clear out that code.
 
#10,736 ·
nickyt said:
Take a few long trips. Good chance you might clear out that code.
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...or just quit driving it, and drop it off at VW's place when my buyback is scheduled. ;)

I don't care if it has 32 warning lights on it the day that I drop it off. I just want it to make it to the dealership, RUNNING, which is about 35 miles away...
 
#10,737 ·
Volkswagen CEO Targeted in Emissions Cheating Probe - Move threatens company’s efforts to get beyond the two-year-old scandal - WSJ

BERLIN— Volkswagen AG VLKAY -0.55% Chief Executive Matthias Müller has been targeted for the first time in a probe in connection with events linked to the disclosure of the company’s emissions-cheating scandal, threatening the company’s efforts to put the two-year-old saga behind it.

The state’s prosecutor in Stuttgart confirmed Wednesday that Mr. Müller, his predecessor Martin Winterkorn, and current Chairman Hans Dieter Poetsch had been under investigation since February on suspicion of stock market manipulation in connection with the scandal.

The Stuttgart probe doesn’t allege that the executives are suspected of playing a role in the diesel scandal itself—a conspiracy to mislead regulators about the level of emissions produced by the car maker’s diesel engines over several years.

Rather, the Stuttgart probe is looking into whether as members of Porsche SE ’s POAHY 0.67% board they withheld information from investors about an unfolding U.S. investigation into the manipulation before it became public in 2015, causing Volkswagen’s shares to drop and exposing shareholders to big losses.

“There is cause to believe that the accused were intentionally late to inform shareholders about the financial consequences, especially for shareholders of Porsche SE, of the software manipulation of diesel vehicles,” the Stuttgart state’s attorney said in a statement.

A spokesman for Porsche SE said the charge was unfounded and that the company fulfilled its obligations to inform financial markets in a timely fashion. The opening of an investigation by a prosecutor doesn’t guarantee that the people affected will be charged, let alone convicted.

Mr. Müller was CEO of sports car maker Porsche AG when the scandal unfolded and a member of the supervisory board of Porsche SE

When U.S. investigators disclosed the scandal on Sept. 18, 2015 and charged Volkswagen with violating U.S. law, the German car maker’s shares plunged, losing nearly half their value and causing billions of euros in share losses and causing the company to report its worst ever loss in 2015.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/volkswagen-ceo-targeted-in-emissions-cheating-probe-1495019275
 
#10,739 ·
alfissimo said:
Hahaha. Junk! I paid $7,000 for my mountain bike. $350 is a cheapo POS. Why would you want to advertise for VW riding this junky bike? Spend the money on a real bike.
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I have about that invested in my mountain as well as my road bike. ?
 
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#10,740 ·
My CEL must have come as part of an optional lighting package that I was unaware of, as it it on about 80% of the time. ;)
 
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