VW TDI EPA Recall (2.0L and 3.0L)

Philth · Jan 7, 2016

I'd be curious to hear about a buyback and what it entails. Me moved from a 2012 Jetta TDI to this Touareg back in October. The ONLY reason why I sold the Jetta, is it was too small for our family (wife expecting). Hind sight is always 20/20. I wonder if I am missing out on a good deal with the buyback. I sold it for $12,800.

mpm T2 TDI · Jan 7, 2016

Philth said:
I'd be curious to hear about a buyback and what it entails. Me moved from a 2012 Jetta TDI to this Touareg back in October. The ONLY reason why I sold the Jetta, is it was too small for our family (wife expecting). Hind sight is always 20/20. I wonder if I am missing out on a good deal with the buyback. I sold it for $12,800.

Want to say upfront this is pure speculation my part, but I'll venture to guess the only repurchased vehicles will be EA189 2.0L non-AdBlue cars. Seriously doubt they would be paid back at the original purchase price.

Please tell me how anyone has been harmed in such a way that you deserve all your money back? The only answer I can come up with is people will claim they were defrauded by their belief that they were sold a clean diesel...

Hopefully the AdBlue EA288s (and the EA189 AdBlue vehicles?) will have a similar fix as the 3.0Ls, so no need for a repurchase. That all changes if all of the 2.0Ls are found to be fatally flawed.

But, PSYCHED to hear the 3.0L is looking clean ; ) and has an easy fix.

That said, like others, I do believe VAG will offer us some kind of ownership loyalty program. So that we owners say nice things about the outcome.

aircooled · Jan 7, 2016

mpm T2 TDI said:
Want to say upfront this is pure speculation my part, but I'll venture to guess the only repurchased vehicles will be EA189 2.0L non-AdBlue cars. Seriously doubt they would be paid back at the original purchase price.

Fiat/Dodge/RAM did a similar buyback this year due to ongoing steering parts failures on RAM pickups. Original price, less reasonable depreciation, and I'm not sure I even heard what that reasonable number was. It didn't make sense for some but other were able to pretty much step out of the truck in into a newer one and pay the difference. So never say never.

Philth · Jan 7, 2016

Buybacks usually work off of original purchase price less miles driven. It's the same formula used for lemon law buybacks. You get charged on a per mile basis.

I'd be very surprised if they gave 100% original purchase price back to the customer.

Stabone33 · Jan 7, 2016

fincher said:
Great. We've expected this outcome so it's good to see it in print. We should get more clarity in the coming weeks. Sweet.

Well, good news for those who want to buy a new one...those of us who have them were looking forward to values going up should VW have decided to pull the 3.0L from the market.... :smug:

Stabone33 · Jan 7, 2016

Philth said:
Buybacks usually work off of original purchase price less miles driven. It's the same formula used for lemon law buybacks. You get charged on a per mile basis.

I'd be very surprised if they gave 100% original purchase price back to the customer.

I would think the only ones to be bought back, if Kenneth Feinberg has anything to say about it, will be those VW doesn't want to pay to fix, which will be the US EA189. Then the buyback price will probably be a nationwide average of the pre-dieselgate fair trade-in value (say, as of July 2015), adjusted for mileage above/below the average, which should be easy to survey from VW dealers.

Porsche987 · Jan 7, 2016

I want to be compensated by VW. I bought my 2016 Touareg Exec on Sept 17 and boom, the scandal hit the fan, before I even drove 50 miles. I use it for pleasure, as I am retired, and have only placed 487 miles on mine thus far. I have a 10 year, 100,000 bumper to bumper VW warranty. How have I been hurt? I bought this vehicle based on trust in VW who claimed it to be a clean burning diesel, achieving 21/29 mpg. VW fraudulently misrepresented the vehicle and any fix, including a software update will no doubt have an effect on drivability, torque, and fuel mileage where as I might have decided against buying the vehicle. Don't get me wrong. I like the vehicle, even though I can't sell it without throwing big money away. It drives great, mileage is 23 mpg around town, using a light foot, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, but things are going to change, mileage wise, ad-blue usage, torque, etc.
To some, that does not seem to matter, but for my $60,000 plus, I resent what VW has done. Furthermore, they offer $1,000 to the 2.0 owners but nothing to Touareg owners who spent nearly triple the cost on their vehicles. Not that $1,000 would make me all warm and fuzzy, but it would recognize Touareg owners as premium purchasers of a "not so cheap" vehicle. I am signing onto the class action, and whatever I can get financially from VW, to make a statement of discontent, I will take. For now, I will hold onto my Touareg, and cringe at the thought of some VW technician, dialing away through a software update, all the reasons for which I bought my Touareg in the first place.

Stabone33 · Jan 7, 2016

Porsche987 said:
I want to be compensated by VW. I bought my 2016 Touareg Exec on Sept 17 and boom, the scandal hit the fan, before I even drove 50 miles. I use it for pleasure, as I am retired, and have only placed 487 miles on mine thus far. I have a 10 year, 100,000 bumper to bumper VW warranty. How have I been hurt? I bought this vehicle based on trust in VW who claimed it to be a clean burning diesel, achieving 21/29 mpg. VW fraudulently misrepresented the vehicle and any fix, including a software update will no doubt have an effect on drivability, torque, and fuel mileage where is I might have decided against buying the vehicle. Don't get me wrong. I like the vehicle, even though I can't sell it without throwing big money away. It drives great, mileage is 23 mpg around town, using a light foot, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, things are going to change, mileage wise, ad-blue usage, torque, etc. To some that does not seem to matter, but for my $60,000 plus, I resent what VW has done. Furthermore, they offer $1,000 to the 2.0 owners but nothing to Touareg owners who sent nearly triple on their vehicles. Not that $1,000 would make me all warm and fuzzy, but it would recognize Touareg owners as premium purchasers of a "not so cheap" vehicle. I am signing onto the class action, and whatever I can get financially from VW, to make a statement of discontent, I will take. For now, I will hold onto my Touareg, and cringe at the thought of some VW technician, dialing away through a software update, all the reasons for which I bought my Touareg in the first place.

Your Treg will be fine. The fix will not change the driving characteristics one bit...it only affects how the urea injection works at cold start.

And your VW tech is very well versed in updating the software on your engine. It's about as complicated as getting updates to your computer's OS and less risky than getting a smartphone reflash. Mine is a 2010 and I think I got 2-3 software updates from service notices in the first year of ownership. I don't think anyone has bricked their Treg yet.

Now some people's Teslas, on the other hand....

Perry01 · Jan 7, 2016

I think there is a good chance VW buys them back at purchase price like the German article states. VW faces a $37,500 fine per vehicle. By buying them back at purchase price to get them off the road, they could avoid paying the higher price of $37,500 each.
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buckwheat · Jan 7, 2016

Stabone33 said:
I would think the only ones to be bought back, if Kenneth Feinberg has anything to say about it, will be those VW doesn't want to pay to fix, which will be the US EA189. Then the buyback price will probably be a nationwide average of the pre-dieselgate fair trade-in value (say, as of July 2015), adjusted for mileage above/below the average, which should be easy to survey from VW dealers.

There is more to it than that. 80% of the affected vehicles are EA189. Maybe it's not worth their trouble to certify emissions for the small proportion of TDI Beetles. I fear Golf hatchbacks and Jetta wagons could be part of the 115,000 that are (unsubstantiated rumor) bought back. Not much point speculating too much at this point.

noobytoogy · Jan 7, 2016

Porsche987 said:
I want to be compensated by VW. I bought my 2016 Touareg Exec on Sept 17 and boom, the scandal hit the fan, before I even drove 50 miles. I use it for pleasure, as I am retired, and have only placed 487 miles on mine thus far. I have a 10 year, 100,000 bumper to bumper VW warranty. How have I been hurt? I bought this vehicle based on trust in VW who claimed it to be a clean burning diesel, achieving 21/29 mpg. VW fraudulently misrepresented the vehicle and any fix, including a software update will no doubt have an effect on drivability, torque, and fuel mileage where as I might have decided against buying the vehicle. Don't get me wrong. I like the vehicle, even though I can't sell it without throwing big money away. It drives great, mileage is 23 mpg around town, using a light foot, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, but things are going to change, mileage wise, ad-blue usage, torque, etc.
To some, that does not seem to matter, but for my $60,000 plus, I resent what VW has done. Furthermore, they offer $1,000 to the 2.0 owners but nothing to Touareg owners who spent nearly triple the cost on their vehicles. Not that $1,000 would make me all warm and fuzzy, but it would recognize Touareg owners as premium purchasers of a "not so cheap" vehicle. I am signing onto the class action, and whatever I can get financially from VW, to make a statement of discontent, I will take. For now, I will hold onto my Touareg, and cringe at the thought of some VW technician, dialing away through a software update, all the reasons for which I bought my Touareg in the first place.

As of now you don't have a clue whether your car has been, or will be, affected in any way whatsoever.

And nor does anyone else shouting the odds on here about how they've been defrauded in some, as yet, unknown way.

Until such time as there is a fix, if, indeed, any kind of fix is actually needed at all, no one, including you, knows if their car will be affected or exactly how it will be affected.

Thus far, the vast majority of posts like yours are based on ill-informed assumptions, often peddled by fat fee chasing lawyers.

If and when there is a clear cut case that you have been hard done by, fair enough, join a class action to exercise your moral self-righteousness.

Personally I shall laugh my socks off if it transpires that the only thing VW did with the Touareg was to leave the cheat code in the software but not activated so there's been no loss to anyone in any direction.

Stabone33 · Jan 7, 2016

buckwheat said:
There is more to it than that. 80% of the affected vehicles are EA189. Maybe it's not worth their trouble to certify emissions for the small proportion of TDI Beetles. I fear Golf hatchbacks and Jetta wagons could be part of the 115,000 that are (unsubstantiated rumor) bought back. Not much point speculating too much at this point.

This is the Internet. Speculating is mandatory, especially in the absence of - or in spite of - viable information.

Oregon TDI · Jan 8, 2016

Nothing is known yet about the 3.0L except that there's a discrepancy of some kind, possibly no more than a paperwork error by VW, possibly more. Maybe wait for the facts before suing? Just saying.

The 2.0L is a different story.

mpm T2 TDI · Jan 8, 2016

Porsche987 said:
I want to be compensated by VW. I bought my 2016 Touareg Exec on Sept 17 and boom, the scandal hit the fan, before I even drove 50 miles. I use it for pleasure, as I am retired, and have only placed 487 miles on mine thus far. I have a 10 year, 100,000 bumper to bumper VW warranty. How have I been hurt? I bought this vehicle based on trust in VW who claimed it to be a clean burning diesel, achieving 21/29 mpg. VW fraudulently misrepresented the vehicle and any fix, including a software update will no doubt have an effect on drivability, torque, and fuel mileage where as I might have decided against buying the vehicle. Don't get me wrong. I like the vehicle, even though I can't sell it without throwing big money away. It drives great, mileage is 23 mpg around town, using a light foot, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, but things are going to change, mileage wise, ad-blue usage, torque, etc.
To some, that does not seem to matter, but for my $60,000 plus, I resent what VW has done. Furthermore, they offer $1,000 to the 2.0 owners but nothing to Touareg owners who spent nearly triple the cost on their vehicles. Not that $1,000 would make me all warm and fuzzy, but it would recognize Touareg owners as premium purchasers of a "not so cheap" vehicle. I am signing onto the class action, and whatever I can get financially from VW, to make a statement of discontent, I will take. For now, I will hold onto my Touareg, and cringe at the thought of some VW technician, dialing away through a software update, all the reasons for which I bought my Touareg in the first place.

Rest easy, if you are not satisfied, a loaded 2016 Exec with no milage...other than typical off-the-lot 15-20% 1st year depreciation that any no collectible experience, will sell.

How will you feel once the 3.0L is proven to meet (exceed?) emissions standards?

Porsche987 · Jan 8, 2016

Stabone33 said:
This is the Internet. Speculating is mandatory, especially in the absence of - or in spite of - viable information.

Good point.

Jimbuffalo · Jan 8, 2016

Porsche987 said:
I want to be compensated by VW. I bought my 2016 Touareg Exec on Sept 17 and boom, the scandal hit the fan, before I even drove 50 miles. I use it for pleasure, as I am retired, and have only placed 487 miles on mine thus far. I have a 10 year, 100,000 bumper to bumper VW warranty. How have I been hurt? I bought this vehicle based on trust in VW who claimed it to be a clean burning diesel, achieving 21/29 mpg. VW fraudulently misrepresented the vehicle and any fix, including a software update will no doubt have an effect on drivability, torque, and fuel mileage where as I might have decided against buying the vehicle. Don't get me wrong. I like the vehicle, even though I can't sell it without throwing big money away. It drives great, mileage is 23 mpg around town, using a light foot, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW, but things are going to change, mileage wise, ad-blue usage, torque, etc.
To some, that does not seem to matter, but for my $60,000 plus, I resent what VW has done. Furthermore, they offer $1,000 to the 2.0 owners but nothing to Touareg owners who spent nearly triple the cost on their vehicles. Not that $1,000 would make me all warm and fuzzy, but it would recognize Touareg owners as premium purchasers of a "not so cheap" vehicle. I am signing onto the class action, and whatever I can get financially from VW, to make a statement of discontent, I will take. For now, I will hold onto my Touareg, and cringe at the thought of some VW technician, dialing away through a software update, all the reasons for which I bought my Touareg in the first place.

I get what you're saying, but you need to drive that thing, man!

I took delivery of my 2016 exec the day before the 3.0 stop order hit. What a sweet ride. I have 2600 on mine since delivery 11/1/15. Thanks.

Porsche987 · Jan 8, 2016

mpm T2 TDI said:
Rest easy, if you are not satisfied, a loaded 2016 Exec with no milage...other than typical off-the-lot 15-20% 1st year depreciation that any no collectible experience, will sell.

How will you feel once the 3.0L is proven to meet (exceed?) emissions standards?

Makes sense. Thanks

Porsche987 · Jan 8, 2016

Oregon FSI said:
Nothing is known yet about the 3.0L except that there's a discrepancy of some kind, possibly no more than a paperwork error by VW, possibly more. Maybe wait for the facts before suing? Just saying.

The 2.0L is a different story.

Thanks... We can only hope.

Porsche987 · Jan 8, 2016

Jimbuffalo said:
I get what you're saying, but you need to drive that thing, man!

I took delivery of my 2016 exec the day before the 3.0 stop order hit. What a sweet ride. I have 2600 on mine since delivery 11/1/15. Thanks.

I would have driven more, but I have been wearing a cast due to a broken foot.
Talk about a lead foot.

You can definitely understand what I'm saying with the scandal hitting soon after buying.

Porsche987 · Jan 8, 2016

noobytoogy said:
As of now you don't have a clue whether your car has been, or will be, affected in any way whatsoever.

And nor does anyone else shouting the odds on here about how they've been defrauded in some, as yet, unknown way.

Until such time as there is a fix, if, indeed, any kind of fix is actually needed at all, no one, including you, knows if their car will be affected or exactly how it will be affected.

Thus far, the vast majority of posts like yours are based on ill-informed assumptions, often peddled by fat fee chasing lawyers.

If and when there is a clear cut case that you have been hard done by, fair enough, join a class action to exercise your moral self-righteousness.

Personally I shall laugh my socks off if it transpires that the only thing VW did with the Touareg was to leave the cheat code in the software but not activated so there's been no loss to anyone in any direction.

First off.... Last I looked I was entitled to stating my own experience with my Touareg, without somebody like you, belittling and rather sarcastically stating that I am exercising my "moral self-rightnessness" by participating in a class action "based on ill-informed assumptions often peddled by fat fee chasing lawyers". Who do you think you are? I made my purchase because I did not want to pollute the environment and I bought the Touareg based on VW's claims. I will join the class action because I believe what Volkswagen did is wrong. I don't need the money, but I do believe that VW ought to be penalized for their cheating to make their vehicles more marketable, whether a cheat device was used on the 3.0 or the 2.0 for that matter. And by the way, I do know that my vehicle resale has been affected.

You don't need to agree with me or the many others, but you should refrain from your insulting personal insinuations.

Feel free to "laugh your socks off" if that is what tickles your fancy, but then again, I don't need to tell you that. You already know everything.

Your friend,

Steve

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