[THETOUAREGFUZZ]

Front wheel drive pocket rockets can snap into oversteer bloody quickly if you lift off mid corner - fun when you know how to do it and control it . . . but not so the first time you get caught out unexpectedly!!

Also when you pull the hand brake. That works well also for fwd cars

 

[geraout]

No you haven't...you're a teenager who thinks oversteering is akin to drifting. You have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to handling dynamics and you make that more and more clear every time you make a statement.

So I'll slip outside in a bit, Spin out my touareg in the snow for you (I'll barely touch the steering wheel) and if you don't have 100 in my paypal account, I'll ban you from this site for trolling.

I'm surprised that as a moderator; you are allowed to address other site users in this way. Your repeated attacks on this poster are exactly what moderators on other forums are there to stop.

OK - you disagree with him but there is no need to make it personal.

Who moderates the moderators?

 

[Perry01]

I'm surprised that as a moderator; you are allowed to address other site users in this way. Your repeated attacks on this poster are exactly what moderators on other forums are there to stop.

OK - you disagree with him but there is no need to make it personal.

Who moderates the moderators?

The guy had been a member for less than 2 months and his provocative posts leads people to believe he is a troll.
.

 

[ConservativeConsumer]

What baffles me is that how such very little value subject has managed to collect 7 pages of posts... mine including.

Must be winter!

 

[Baltimore Touareg]

Right, I'm totally bored with all this guff now so I'm not going off road but I'm going off topic! ENJOY: VW Touareg on Vimeo

Alright! My kinda protest.

 

[Baltimore Touareg]

The guy had been a member for less than 2 months and his provocative posts leads people to believe he is a troll. .

Please provide a definition of troll so that the court can decide sentencing (joke).

I think all that is happening here is healthy debate with challenges to information and knowledge-base, and a bit of divergent video clips. Free-speech was never meant to be censored.

 

[Deviant999]

Please provide a definition of troll so that the court can decide sentencing (joke). I think all that is happening here is healthy debate with challenges to information and knowledge-base, and a bit of divergent video clips. Free-speech was never meant to be censored.

+1, the guy just posted his opinion (in quite an argumentative way imho)...

 

[noobytoogy]

I thought I only saw oversteer here . . . but having watched it closely again I think it was preceded by understeer!

 

[Baltimore Touareg]

I thought I only saw oversteer here . . . but having watched it closely again I think it was preceded by understeer! Volkswagen Snowareg - YouTube

Umm. no. It is Oversteer! (See end of clip).

 

[Yeti]

Front wheel drive pocket rockets can snap into oversteer bloody quickly if you lift off mid corner - fun when you know how to do it and control it . . . but not so the first time you get caught out unexpectedly!!

You are right in that once you learn how to control it you could definitely have fun with it. I used to play with my Escort GT's in the winter this way and depending on how bad the tires where I could play in the rain as well.

 

[Yeti]

My Shelby charger was like that

I never owned one, but I got to drive one. My now deceased friend started out with a non turbo Shelby Charger and then traded that in on GLHS Charger. He did a couple little mods on the GLHS and got it to 225HP which doesn't sound like much, but that car weighed next to nothing. He left me drive it once and at the time he was looking for a vanity plate for it. He handed me the keys and I was gone for about a half hour. I had his new plate for him when I got back, UNCIVIL. He never did get a plate for it, but that car was insane!! Way too much HP coming from the front wheels. Would barely stop spinning tires even in 4th.

To keep above on topic I run recommended front and rear on mine and have nothing but even tire wear on both my 04 and my 10. I actually quit rotating them due to having such even wear. Seemed to make no difference to me. That said I am due for a new set in the spring.

 

[nickm]

I'm surprised that as a moderator; you are allowed to address other site users in this way. Your repeated attacks on this poster are exactly what moderators on other forums are there to stop.

OK - you disagree with him but there is no need to make it personal.

Who moderates the moderators?

I personally didn't like the way he was disrespectful to knowledgable members (ie: Perry, Nooby). He then bet $100 bucks that we were all wrong...

if you keep reading the thread you'll note where I said "I'm kidding on the banning, and I don't want your money...donate $100 to the charity of your choice and I'll match it".

So perhaps reading the whole story might help put things into context for you.

The administrators moderate the moderators, its OK we don't get paid so if they decide to oust me its not like I miss out on my morning latte -

I do appreciate you selecting a single post for a vote of non-confidence though.

 

[nickm]

Oversteer shown at the 20 second, 55 sec and 1:26 mark...real kickout at the 1:26...the rear kicking out at 20 seconds is what it will do almost always.

 

[nickm]

Hammond powerslides it at 2:15 (oversteer)
Richard tests a VW Toureg against snowmobiles part 1 (series 15, episode 5) - BBC Top Gear

 

[Perry01]

Gotta love The Stig

 

[Yeti]

He did not modify his non turbo Shelby at all. Just did an ECU swap and blow off valve on the GLHS and I think it was 175 and went to 225. That's what they said the ECU upgrade was worth anyhow, no idea of actual numbers. I actually wanted to buy it after he passed, but his daughter was using it as a daily driver and was pretty beat from her lack of care. I passed on it. Was sad since he took great care of it aside from the abuse...

 

[Yams]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inXxoVXhCok

I want that exhaust

Might as well post my other badass ride

 

[chrisw]

How would running a higher pressure in the back help it understeer? I mean, I hear you saying it, but mechanically, it doesn't add up. If the car has the same size tires, more weight in the front, yet 6 psi in the rear, then how in the world would running 46 psi in the back help it understeer?

Raising the rear tire pressure helps to induce understeer by only changing the shape of the contact patch. It doesn't really matter how high or low the pressures are (to a point!!) the weight of the vehicle determines the area of the contact patch, the pressure controls it's shape.

Also remember that we have AWD. The change in contact patch shape indirectly controls how much grip you have. Increase the rear tire pressures and the limits where the tires will break loose is lowered. Your line of thinking revolves around this fact. But while it is counter intuitive, this is also true.

By reducing the threshold of traction in the rear, you are increasing the grip in the front tires because the AWD system will put more power to the front wheels. When this happens, the rear tires will not break loose per se, but will instead follow the front the direction of the front wheels.


It's totally counter intuitive, but the logic is sound.

 

[rigasr]

Also keep in mind, if you are pumping your tires to 36, 41, 44 PSI or whatever, if you use those pen style tire pressure gauges, or some or other cheap mediocre gauge, you could be off quite a few PSIs. I have found most those showing a higher pressure than actual. I had 3 different types & styles of tire pressure gauges and each would show a different reading, some out by 5 PSI.
I bit the bullet and bought a decent, very accurate $50 Longacre tire pressure gauge (Longacre Racing: Precision Racing Tools: Electronic Wheel Scales, Gauges, Pyrometers, Chassis Setup and More!) that I now keep in the trunk. Even those gauges attached to the air hose at the gas stations, I have found to be inaccurate.
Keep this in mind, if you are going by the book and maintaining a tire pressure to spec but using an inferior gauge, your tire pressure may be way off.

 

[Baltimore Touareg]

I bit the bullet and bought a decent, very accurate $50 Longacre tire pressure gauge (Longacre Racing: Precision Racing Tools: Electronic Wheel Scales, Gauges, Pyrometers, Chassis Setup and More!) that I now keep in the trunk.

Thanks for the tip. I went looking for an electronic tire gauge the other day and was not impressed by what I found. Will definitely look into this. Cheers!