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#1 ·
Anyone having problems with transmission and a hard down shift from 5 to 4? Recently having a solid, thud, when slowing down in city traffic. Curious...dealer reset the computer but the problem is back in a week.
 
#12 ·
I have had the same harsh downshift into fourth that seems to be being described here. Tonight on the way home, I watched the MFI on an off-ramp that it routinely does it on, and was surprised that the MFI indicator jumped directly from 6th to 4th while coasting up the off-ramp. According to the MFI, it completely skipped 5th, and the downshift was pretty harsh. I don't know if the described software update addresses this or not, but I plan on bringing this up with my dealer soon, as I'm at 20K miles and need to get the service done.

I'd keep an eye on the MFI if you have somewhere that repeaedly causes that harsh coasting downshift to see if it behaves like this.

Hope this helps,
Matt
 
#11 ·
Two weeks ago they replaced some actuator in the rear differential. Helped clear many of the symptoms, but not all of them.

v10touareg said:
Reading this yesterday prompted me to call VW direct and complain. The operator on the line told me that she is going to look into the issue and will contact me in 24 hours with a solution.

I have to question what physical damage is happening to my drivetrane every time this happens. I don't know about you guys, but this is an extremely violent experience, as though I just rear ended another car at 60 mph. It is really scary.
Yes, it can indeed be violent. And the thing is, it is intermittent. Nearly as I can tell, it is more likely to happen when stopping on a hill (either up or downward), or accelleration from a steady-state and within a specific gear. Fifth gear is the easiest gear for me to "demonstrate" the slamming.

As for internal damage, all I know is that it sounds horrible. I've already had every stinking piece but the read diff changed. It seems to correct certain segments of the problem, but not all.

Honestly, I think the problem cascaded down to the entire driveline. Even if it was once the stepper, the constant shocks beat the sh*t out of the following gears, ruining them.

I AM READY TO DRIVE THIS THING THROUGH VW'S HQ!!!!! :chainsaw: :chainsaw: :censored: :anger:
 
#10 ·
I too have had this problem since June. I took this into my dealership and actually demonstrated this issue to them after they denied that there was a problem...

They had it for a week and told me that they actually hooked up the computer to a modem so the engineers in MI could download the latest software version, and that it was fixed.

It was fixed alright--for 1 day. I've called them once a week since this service call which was the end of July. There answer is always the same... As soon as they know what the problem is they will contact me to get the vehicle serviced.

Reading this yesterday prompted me to call VW direct and complain. The operator on the line told me that she is going to look into the issue and will contact me in 24 hours with a solution.

I have to question what physical damage is happening to my drivetrane every time this happens. I don't know about you guys, but this is an extremely violent experience, as though I just rear ended another car at 60 mph. It is really scary.
 
#9 ·
Latest transmission update:

Replaced the front differential and drive shaft. Spider gear worn out.

Fixed most of the jerking/clunking that I (accurately) described as massive gear lash.

But I still have issues when decelerating and then accelerating as happens in stop-and-go traffic or when going up and down hilly roads at a slow speed, as in town.

MADDING!
 
#8 ·
Same problem

hsierra and goozieNZ,

My 2004 V6 Treg has recently started this behavior as well. It feels as though I hit something, it jerks so hard. It occurs mainly when slowing down..then accelerating. It is really an unsettling feeling.

goozieNZ: the gearbox software update that you mention...is it covered under warranty? What was your experience when you took the T-reg in?

Thanks in advance!
Boardnchic72
 
#7 ·
Shifting

I wonder if this the same problem I am having.

a) Sometimes, when I step on the gas, it takes a second or two to accelarate
b) If I am doing about 30 miles x hr, take my foot off the pedal, and accelarate at 25, it stalls and after a second or two, I feel the acceleratio kick in

My Touareg is a 2007 V6. It has 600 miles, took it to my dealer and the mechanic said it is normal. He claims it takes a while for the transmission to change gears. I think this is dangerous. I dont like it.

What do you think?
 
#283 ·
I wonder if this the same problem I am having.

a) Sometimes, when I step on the gas, it takes a second or two to accelarate
b) If I am doing about 30 miles x hr, take my foot off the pedal, and accelarate at 25, it stalls and after a second or two, I feel the acceleratio kick in

My Touareg is a 2007 V6. It has 600 miles, took it to my dealer and the mechanic said it is normal. He claims it takes a while for the transmission to change gears. I think this is dangerous. I dont like it.

What do you think?
I seem m to be having the same problem with my 2004 V8. I wonder if it is a transmission problem. What have you since found out about this problem ? [(°,)
 
#6 ·
Fan-tas-tic! Thanks!

Update: North Penn Imports' Treg Wiz Ralph believes the front differential spider gears were damaged by my previous drivetrain issues.

All this because of defective software... 24 months after purchase, 50,000 miles and weeks and weeks without my truck. All because of defective software.

Thanks again, Goozie.
 
#5 ·
Problem description

Hard sometimes noisy shiftback mainly from 5th to 4th gear after a longer motorway journey when rolling without load.

Juddering when shifting up from 1st to 2nd gear, cold.

Delayed gearshift after changing down from 2nd to 1st gear.


• No entry in the fault memory.
• Do not confuse this entry with "Hard shiftback under load" (TPL No. 2008922).

Cause

Unfavourable tolerances in the hydraulics of the automatic gearbox.

Unfavourable adjustment of the gearbox software.

Production solution

Modified gearbox software

from Chassis No. 7L 5D 058331

Service solution

Update software in the gearbox control unit.

With the Brand CD 07.57 all VAS 5051/5052 users get the guided fault finding also on the Flash CD version 011 for above problem.

• Connect the battery charger to the vehicle battery.
• The brand CD from V.07.57.00 and the basic CD version from 7.00.00 must be installed.

Online software update:

• Perform the update online with the software version management.
• The VAS 5051 must be connected to the workshop network and the diagnosis interface of the vehicle.
• Select guided fault finding and the vehicle/engine.
• Select Software version management via Function/component selection.
• Select Adjust control unit. Enter diagnosis address 02.
• Follow the instructions on the tester.

Software update per CD:

• Insert the CD "Software adjustment for Volkswagen control units" from version 011 in the CD-ROM drive of the VAS 5051.
• Select guided fault finding and the vehicle/engine.

Select the following steps in the function/component selection

1. Drive
2. Automatic 6 speed gearbox 09D
3. 01 self-diagnosis system
4. Functions
5. Software adjustment of gearbox control unit
6. Follow the instructions on the tester.

Accounting instructions

Service number/damage code/manufacturer 3730/039...
 
#304 ·
Problem description

Hard sometimes noisy shiftback mainly from 5th to 4th gear after a longer motorway journey when rolling without load.

Juddering when shifting up from 1st to 2nd gear, cold.

Delayed gearshift after changing down from 2nd to 1st gear.


• No entry in the fault memory.
• Do not confuse this entry with "Hard shiftback under load" (TPL No. 2008922).

Cause

Unfavourable tolerances in the hydraulics of the automatic gearbox.

Unfavourable adjustment of the gearbox software.

Production solution

Modified gearbox software

from Chassis No. 7L 5D 058331

Service solution

Update software in the gearbox control unit.

With the Brand CD 07.57 all VAS 5051/5052 users get the guided fault finding also on the Flash CD version 011 for above problem.

• Connect the battery charger to the vehicle battery.
• The brand CD from V.07.57.00 and the basic CD version from 7.00.00 must be installed.

Online software update:

• Perform the update online with the software version management.
• The VAS 5051 must be connected to the workshop network and the diagnosis interface of the vehicle.
• Select guided fault finding and the vehicle/engine.
• Select Software version management via Function/component selection.
• Select Adjust control unit. Enter diagnosis address 02.
• Follow the instructions on the tester.

Software update per CD:

• Insert the CD "Software adjustment for Volkswagen control units" from version 011 in the CD-ROM drive of the VAS 5051.
• Select guided fault finding and the vehicle/engine.

Select the following steps in the function/component selection

1. Drive
2. Automatic 6 speed gearbox 09D
3. 01 self-diagnosis system
4. Functions
5. Software adjustment of gearbox control unit
6. Follow the instructions on the tester.

Accounting instructions

Service number/damage code/manufacturer 3730/039...
I am kind of a newbie with vagcom I have a friend that I borrowed a vagcom from and I’m just trying to figure out exactly what all the stuff means because I do need to do what you’re talking about I replaced the valve body with a remand solenoid vb from Marc and Wendy and it didn’t work did the same thing it was doing in second to third with the big stall in a bang instead of the 2nd to 3rd bag it started doing it in 4th to 5th and 5th to 4th There guy that deals with issues Gerald ended up sending me a new valve body with new solenoid’s instead of remanufactured ones and it did the trick but I was freaking out because it still did a ever so slight jerk on the 5th to 4th down shift So I started thinking prop shaft or mount or even tranny itself and then I came across this thread Any advice would be much appreciated
 
#4 ·
GoozieNZ said:
There is a VW sotware update available for the transmission to cure this problem.
Details! I have had my stepper, transfer case, rear prop w/bearing, and the entire 6 sp replaced in attempts to stop the clanking into gear!
 
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