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Thoughts on buying a 2013-2015 tdi with 110-130k+ miles for a tow vehicle

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Hi all,

I hope this is the right community for this, but I figured this was the place to ask about maintenance/reliability considerations involving buying an older touareg.

I'm looking for a tow vehicle that I'll tow probably 4-6k miles a year with, and if it's a touareg, because I love them, probably at least a couple thousand more around town. Ultimately probably less than 10k miles a year.

Having owned a touareg before, I'm aware of the general cost of doing maintenance and repair on them, but I'm curious what you guys think as far as the gamble you'd be taking buying one this old just in terms of general reliability for my purposes, and what you'd look out for to ensure the best odds of finding one that's in good shape.

Part of my consideration is that some of the tdi's spent some time on the shelf getting fixed, but I don't know how much of a difference that would make given the wear and tear basically just comes down to mileage.

Ultimately I'm considering a touareg because A.) I love them, and it would mean not just buying a vehicle strictly for towing that I'd never use otherwise. That basically means a mid-size SUV that's actually enjoyable to drive and has the grunt to tow what I want, and there's very few options that check those boxes. I can also unhitch at the campsite and do some off roading a lot of tow vehicles wouldn't be capable of. And B.) unless I buy a really old, super high mileage truck, I'm not even sure there's a less expensive option. And a truck that old might not even be more dependable/inexpensive to own. Sure spending more on a reliable, newer truck would have an overall lower cost of ownership, but I'd prefer not to front that much money.

I'm planning on getting a 23-25' toy hauler and converting the garage into something like a small living room. So not only would this probably be on the longer side that you'd want to tow with a touareg, they're taller too. So quite a bit of cross-section. I'm curious what you guys think about towing a trailer like this with a touareg.

Lastly, might as well include this question as well. I am partial to the 1st/2nd gen touaregs, but I'm even more hesitant of using a 13+ year old German SUV to tow near its limits. But I have no experience towing, so I'd be interested to know how comfortable you'd feel doing so, and if maybe going with a t2/2010 would be an option.
 
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I mean it would be something I'd probably take out once or twice a week for a joy ride or to take to work. I live about a quarter mile from Pacific Coast Highway, so good for joy riding. Then probably 1-2 longer road trips and 2-3 shorter ones a year. I have another small car for dailying. The main plan is actually to live in the trailer lol. Not because I'm poor but because it'd allow me to start putting away a good chunk of change every month. Wouldn't the tdi be superior for towing? And more reliable?
 
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A 23 to 25 foot toy hauler converted? Why not just buy a regular camping trailer or are you going t o bring a toy with you? My 2016 has a tow limit of around 7700 pounds. A loaded 25' trailer would be at that or more wouldn't it? If you do this I would change the transmission fluid to a synthetic like AmsOil. Keep your speed down to 60 mph and have the mental attitude that it's a roll of the dice. You'd have to be very weight conscious when looking at a trailer.

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A 23 to 25 foot toy hauler converted? Why not just buy a regular camping trailer or are you going t o bring a toy with you? My 2016 has a tow limit of around 7700 pounds. A loaded 25' trailer would be at that or more wouldn't it? If you do this I would change the transmission fluid to a synthetic like AmsOil. Keep your speed down to 60 mph and have the mental attitude that it's a roll of the dice. You'd have to be very weight conscious when looking at a trailer.

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What I've found is that under 26' the best way to make the most of the floorplan, at least for what I want, is to convert the garage of a toy hauler. Over 25' from what I've read would get hairy with a touareg. Even 24-25' might be pushing it, but it sounds like it's at the upper limit length wise of what's reasonable. A lot of people confidently insist they tow much longer than this without issue but I don't think I want to take that risk. But I'd be interested in more opinions/experiences.

I mentioned in the comment above I'm looking to live in the trailer. Something that I need is something that feels like a real living room, and what that means to me is essentially just a comfortable place to stretch out and watch TV/play video games on a good sized TV with a direct viewing angle. Somewhere other than in bed. Have found next to nothing in <26' campers that suitably fits that bill. I've found a few toy haulers that would be perfect for this.

As for the weight, there seems to be a lot of 23-25' toy haulers and TT's with a GVWR comfortably under the touareg's tow capacity and tongue weight. And I wouldn't expect to get all that close to the GVWR. I actually think converting the garage would remove a little weight after getting rid of the sofas and/or fold down bed and the TV the trailer comes with.
 
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Get a heavy duty diesel pick up truck, much less to worry about especially the emissions system. You don't want to get caught with the dreaded countdown to no start 500 miles from nowhere,Been there and it isn't fun.
Diesel pickups have the same emission systems as the Touareg. They can both be easily deleted.
 
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Agree with above stuff

The cross section of a 25' enclosed may hurt with the Touareg short wheel base. Depends how heavy it gets loaded.

The emissions in the TDI worry me.

Lots of SUV can pull a 25' these days though.
 
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2013-15? Maybe 2010? Isn't the emission warranty expired on all of them?

Is the 500 mile warning just to refill the ad blue? Even if it would need repair, I don't know, I hear you but that doesn't sound super off putting. Would kind of suck to have to put a trip on hold to get it fixed but I feel like that risk wouldn't outweigh being able to take the treg for some joy rides.
Depends on in-service date of emissions mods. Lots still have warranty for emissions but many are running out quick. Touareg has 10 year 100k mile warranty by default

Does anyone have any advice on what to look for in terms of service history and inspection?
Verify that there even is a history. Carfax will show all dealer visits, which repairs and maintenance of these should be had at. Often euro shops report to Carfax too.
 
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This is something I've tried to find the answer to and have struggled. So if the car was a buy back, and then fixed, the warranty begins the next time it was sold? Wouldn't this would have to be 2020 or later to have any meaningful warranty left? I remember looking and I think I may have found a few rare unicorns with fixes done in 2020. Since I'm looking for something over 100k miles the factory warranty wouldn't work here.

I've read about driveshaft failures being almost expected. Would this be dangerous if it happened while towing, and should I look for one that's already had this repair?
 
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Drive shaft failures are more common on older models maybe 2010 and earlier

Depends when the first time the fixed touareg was sold via dealer post fix. They still come up with warranties but they're dropping quickly which is why everyone is selling them and for so cheaply
 
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There is a decent one made in Canada, bue they ship only to North Dakota.
How much looking have you done to find one in your country?
 
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I bgt my 2016 in end of 2018 new unregistered, Lasted till 2023 35K miles 3 replacements of the emissions crap, I mean everything at a different time,all paid for by VW,,I'm surprised VW didn't offer to buy it back from me. Had to cost a fortune to repair.
Make sure you are willing to deal with an unreliable car. BTW I had 2 and the 2012 was flawless. Emissions fix killed these cars.
 
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I bgt my 2016 in end of 2018 new unregistered, Lasted till 2023 35K miles 3 replacements of the emissions crap, I mean everything at a different time,all paid for by VW,,I'm surprised VW didn't offer to buy it back from me. Had to cost a fortune to repair.
Make sure you are willing to deal with an unreliable car. BTW I had 2 and the 2012 was flawless. Emissions fix killed these cars.
mine is the same as yours and has never had a single emissions CEL, sensor or other issue whatsoever. 58K miles. Not EVERYONE has your experience
 
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If you do choose to buy a Touareg, a factory tow hitch can haul 7700 pounds; however an aftermarket hitch will only tow about 6000 pounds.
I have been looking into getting an aftermarket hitch for my 07. VW doesn’t sell new Tow Modules or Brake Controllers for mine. Used Ebay is used one is the only option. Wiring is less of an issue. Its frustrating tho.
As far as travel trailers go, there are very livable ones for 1-2 adults in the 22-24 ft range that weigh in at around 3500 pounds.
PCH - great traffic filled hwy, but the canyons are nice, especially Old Topanga.
 
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Ha, you're right about a lot of the PCH. Fortunately there's some stretches near me in Newport Beach that are quite nice. Few miles going north towards Huntington Beach, or heading south, once I get through Corona Del Mar, a nice drive to Laguna Beach. Or just hop on early morning or at night and it's smooth sailing.

After looking at trucks and seeing the prices and gas mileage... I keep coming back to the touareg even if I have to make concessions on the trailer and deal with some potential reliability issues. It would sure be nice if actually using my trailer to travel wasn't more expensive than getting a plane ticket and a hotel... and diesel trucks are just ridiculously expensive unless you want something 20 years old. And trucks over 6-8 years seem to have plenty of reliability concerns of their own...

I'll take a deeper look at shorter travel trailers. Maybe I'll need to do a little work on one to get it right. The toy hauler idea still stands out to me, but a little concerned about the height of them. Maybe if I find a 23 or even 22' toy hauler that would work I'd feel more comfortable. For me, like I said I really need something that feels like a living room to live in it. I don't think I've found one under 25' that has a nice seating area, particularly a cozy space for two, directly across from a regular sized TV or in a space that could fit a TV upgrade. Might have seen a couple with recliners that could fit the bill. Would just be nice if there wasn't an arm rest between them, so you could, you know, get cozy.
 
#37 ·
The bottom line is that vehicles of this caliber are only for the following types of owners
  • those who can diagnose and wrench on them themselves
  • those who have deep pockets and can roll into a dealership without worrying about the bill they will receive
  • those who have access to a proven indy shop which they have a relationship with, and who they can trust to do things properly
  • those who can just keep driving them while sporting a plethora of warning lights\failures of various systems and ignoring them until the vehicle becomes completely bricked
  • those who can just ride out the warranty coverage and plan on unloading them right before that expires
 
#38 ·
You forgot YouTube mechanic, dingus.
 
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That reminds me... I used to work with this dude who literally utoobed every single thing that was happening to his CRV and could never fix anything as a result of all the fine videos he followed.... and I mean, nothing... not even a bulb replacement, etc.... and this was a decade ago when his 2nd gen didn't have any actual tech in it....