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#1 ·
I’ve often been bemused by motoring journalists dismissing European 4 wheel drives because of the rubber they come with as the answer seems obvious: get another set. Over time the only expense is a set of rims, and you can still enjoy autobahn style speed and handling for the 90% of the time that you’re stuck on the blacktop. This certainly worked fine on my last 4X4 (an ML320).

However, I’ve recently had to eat my words. After becoming the proud owner of a VW Touareg V8 with air & nav, I went bush in the Victorian High Country. The car was superb offroad. Much better than the ML 320 and two Discoveries I had before that. That is until I hit some rocky roadworks. Two slashed sidewalls in ten minutes left me with a problem: Two wheels into one spacesaver doesn’t go. With no mobile coverage the only option is a 15k trek to the nearest phone. To be told by VW Premium Assist that 2 punctures is an “accident” and basically get lost. After hiring a towtruck and support car ($600) to get my wife and kids out, my troubles continued.

It took VW two days to find replacement tyres (Pirelli P Zero Rossos, the same one developed for the Lamborghini Countach, rated for 250 km/hour for 3 hours continuously). They finally found 3 and could fit them for only $1,120 each !

To their credit, VW finally came to the party and fitted them for the price of Michellins that would have done the job ($400 each).

Why VW would fit such tyres is beyond me. Perhaps to compete with Porsche. But when 90% of your marketing shows the VW offroad (including closeups of serious offroad tyres), I feel they’ve got an obligation to not fit tyres that are manifestly unfit for this purpose.
 
#2 ·
That sucks!

David,

Boy oh boy! That's some serious rubber! And I have asked VW directly for recommended off-road tyres/wheels, with no satisfactory response.

I blew out a tyre back in December and couldn't get a new one (the 17" Dunlops) for two weeks!

This is something VW could be addressing: 90% of the time (99%?) we're on-road, but that other 10% (1%) is a big part of the reason we bought this machine, right? We should be supported in that pursuit.

On a related note, and as you're not so far away from us, I was thinking of encouraging VW to organise Touareg off-road courses, particularly in the light of the Overlander 4WDOTY award. What do you think? 4WD-ing alone is dangerous and - as you discovered - inconvenient, particularly for the majority of Touareg owners who, I am sure, don't get off-road as often as they'd like.
 
#3 ·
I am just about to put some Cooper Discover HT's 245/65/R17 on mine...will let you know how it goes....mainly for snow use (Mt Buller every weekend), Sand Driving and some High Country stuff in Summer.....they will be much stronger in the sidewall and a much better 4X4 tyre than the OEM's.

A set of the OEM Dunlop PT8000's will become available. :drunk:
 
#5 ·
I have a question about your flat tires...was the puncture on the sidewall or on the tred part of the tire. I had a simular experience with one of the front tires (the contenential tires) and VW said they would not replace the tire since it was on the sidewall. From what I understand VW replaced your tires.

Thanks
 
#6 ·
Fatboy: from what I've read of tyre wear on the PT8000s, I may need a change in the next 12 months. I wouldn't mind saving some money on replacements.

How much for the Coopers?

And share your details in the Rest of the World forum - I don't see many Tregs and wonder if I'm all alone in this wide brown land :sad:
 
#7 ·
Hi Tamashek,

I also don't see to many Treg's down here....and I would assume that not many would be serious enough about there vehicles to join a forum such as this.

Picked-up my new Treg last Thursday, and went and got the Coopers fitted....they run on the road pretty well. I haven't run on the Dunlops except for the test drive, and the drive down to the tyre dealer, so can't really compare, but from what I can tell, there is no real difference in road noise. Speed is also spot on with the 245/65/R17 sizes until you hit about 100kmh on the speedo, and your doing about 97kmh, and about 110kmh on the speedo is 106 actually.

I ended up trading the Dunlop's in, and paid $120 per corner changeover... the Dunlop's are a more expensive option, but the dealer didn't know when he would be able to sell the 255/70's as there is very little demand for them. I think the Coopers retail for about $300 a wheel.

By the way...a new V10 rolled out the door of the dealer on the same day....very nice.
 
#8 ·
[start Off-topic]:
Well, it's nice to know some of us are serious about our vehicles - I suppose, given that the population of the US is more than 20 times ours and the fact that these cars cost substantially more (on the Big Mac Index!) here than there, it's hardly surprising we're seriously outnumbered!

Not everyone here is that serious about their cars: a fair number of complaints/problems end up here in desperation - it's good to see that, while I have some of these, generally mine isn't too bad.
[Off-topic end]

The dealer didn't make much in that trade: I paid $400 for a new GrandTrek. Admittedly, I was desperate! I've been watching the wear on my front PT8000s with interest - I had an alignment done in the aftermath of my blow out and it'll be interesting to see how long it takes the new tyre to reach the sorry state of the older one or if the alignment has fixed it up.
 
#10 ·
I would have offered you $200 - any more than that, and it isn't worth the petrol! Thanks for the offer - I appreciate it. If the tyres were definitely on the way out, I'd seriously consider it. I've got 15,000 km on three at the moment, but only the driver's front is looking seedy and it is uneven wear, so I hope the alignment will have slowed the rot.

Cheers.
 
#11 ·
Tyres and Wear

Hi Guys

I've had my Treg for 2 months now (7 weeks to be precise), and just clocked up 5500Km. Since I've got the V8 I have the 18" wheels and running Pirelli PZero Rossi tyres. Did some shopping around for tyre prices and found Bob Jane T-Marts the most competitive. Also found that if you check prices between inner and outer suburbs you can get some significant savings. Priced my Pirelli's in Moorabbin and quoted $525 per tyre. Rang same chain in Dandenong office and was quoted $435 per tyre. Both included fitting and balance but not alignment.

Had similar experience with finding tyres for my wife's Discovery recently. Upto $60 per tyre difference. Ended up buying them in Pakenham. Figured the petrol for the drive was still waayyy less than the convenience.

Not finding much wrong with the Pirelli's yet. Although I had a puncture 2 weeks after I picked up the car. Luckily it was repairable. However I did discover that the tyre pressure was very low from the dealers, only 30 PSI, when the tyre plaque clearly recommended 36-45 PSI. So I pumped them all upto 38 PSI and while the ride is a little harsher, I find the overall comfort and handling much better and more responsive.

Wonder if anyone else has discovered this with their Aussie delivered Tregs??
 
#12 ·
Follow up on Treg tyres saga

After two punctures in first venture off-road, I was to say the least peeved

Next venture onto a gravel road gave me another puncture.

All 3 were slashed sidewalls and three tyres were a write off

There are very few 18 inch semi offroad tyres available but I finally found and fitted a set of Michelin 4X4 Synchrone 255/55 HR18s

They have a much stronger sidewall, although only (!) rated for 215 kph, not 245 kph for the Pirelli P zeros

VW were very good about the whole thing. Although they would not fit non OEM tyres they helped me source them and gave me a A$2000 refund which more than covered the new set !
 
#13 ·
Michelin 4x4 Synchrones Unfit for TReg?

Hey David,
What's your experience with the Synchrones so far? I'm having my Treg V8 2004 outfitted with the Snynchrones right now even though the Michelin website claims they don't make anything that fits this vehicle. I called Michelin and was reassured the Synchrones will do just fine. In any case anything should be better than the crappy OEM Contis. One punctured on gravel within a few months, and another is slowly leaking air probably from a nail wound. I have to drive through an unpaved gravel road to and from my house and there's plenty of construction debris where I live, so I wouldn't want a repeat performance (or lack thereof).
 
#14 ·
17" & 18" Nokian WR SUV series V rated all weather/snow tyres for Touareg now available from snowtyres.com.au in Melbourne. These are not an off-road - all terrain tyre but are an excellent replacement for OE tyres from VW especially if your requirement is for general highway use, for snow and for limited off road use.


Check here,
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=1769243

for a review on this tyre from forum

The Nokian WR SUV is offered in USA with 50,000 mile tread life warranty

For details please give Richard a call 03 9822 9539

Check the website

www.snowtyres.com.au
 
#15 ·
Synchrones have been great. Not a single puncture or problem in 20,000 km which includes a 7000 km trip through outback Australia with some pretty challenging roads. Still heaps of tread. I really can't tell the difference on the road from the Pirellis apart from price, punctures and the Pirelli's excessive tread wear.

Wheels/tyres really are the weak link in what is a great car. 18" wheels on the V8 means you can't really get a decent off roadish tyre and stay legal
 
#16 ·
I've got 29,000 k's out of my standard 17" tyres. and have had one puncture which meant a replacement tyre from VW as no-one had anything else to fit.

But njow the time has come and I am playing with the idea of going to 19' rims - again, the biggest problem being that they are not good for 4x4ing, which is one reason i traded the disco.

I've now moved up to Echuca, and also feel that the cooper atr's might be the best option for replacement, and I should keep the 17' wheels.

Your thoughts folks???

Buy the way- when are we all getting together for a drive day?

cheers,

Phil
 
#17 ·
more info - Cooper ATR in 245/65/17 106S

$299 each fitted and balanced. V's Pirelli STR Scorpions 255/60/17

at $330.00

I'm thinking I'll go the coopers, better offroad ability and longer wear life too.

I have VW Australia bulletin sheets on tyre info if it's required

cheers,

Phil