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Help me decide: "High" Mileage T3 2011 TDI Exec

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#1 · (Edited)
[SOLVED] Help Deciding: 2011 T3 TDI Exec 90k-miles

I am interested in trading my loaded, trouble-free, US-spec 2008 T2 gasser @ 45k-miles for an '11 TDI Exec w/ 89k-miles. The TDI was a 20k-mile lease from Michigan which was purchased and driven for another 70k-miles in New York. The CarFax Report indicates that the vehicle was routinely maintained but some of the short service intervals listed seem to indicate that were breakdowns/failures of some sort. For example service was done at 9,855 and 10,935 and then again between 70,179 and 70,600 miles.

Usage
I intend to keep the vehicle for the next 5-years at ≈ 15k-miles per year. For me, the diesel is total overkill. I will be using it as only a people/dirtbike hauler and so my main interest in this vehicle is for the Exec features (OPS, Push-to-start, Dynaudio, 20"). I've been lurking vw/autotrader/cars.com/carmax/etc. for a few months and this TDI is the only used Exec (either diesel or gas) that I've found at my price point of ≦ $35k.

Warranty concerns
At 89k-miles, I understand the only warranties remaining are the 10yr/100k power train and 12yr/unlimited corrosion perforation. From my reading here, there seem to be T2 TDI's which exceeded 100k/200k-miles without major issues. The T3 being younger, 100k+ mile vehicles are harder to find info on.

I contacted Troy Dietrich who is a Fidelity warranty reseller that is recommend on the forums here. Unfortunately, he replied informing me that the non-Audi branded Fidelity warranties can only be applied to vehicles still within the original 3yr/36k-mile warranty.

The longest offer by USAA/Assurant for this vehicle is a 2yr/24k no-deductible extended warranty @ ≈$3k; a bit steep in my opinion. The warranty is neither solely inclusionary or exclusionary. I do not like the details in the contracts either as the policy covers the stereo electronics/entertainment system but specifically excludes coverage for voice activation systems. These systems seem to overlap and so may be similar gray areas throughout the contract.

Service/Maintenance
I expect to have free labor for routine to semi-major service through a non-VW service center for the next 2-3 years. Routine/Unexpected service costs should be due only to parts; no labor costs. The exception to this would be issues that are not easily diagnosed, e.g. electronics, which would force me into a VW dealer. I intend to purchase a vagcom as well.


Questions
1. I'm unexperienced with diesel vehicles. Are there any recommendations as specific issues to look for when evaluating the TDI in person? I've read about the Adblue and fuel pump issues here but is there any way to preemptively identify problems with these or other diesel-centric systems?

2. I will be offering $32k for the vehicle as I feel $35k is high given the mileage and lack of warranty. Does anyone think my offer to high/low ?

3. Are the T3's fender wells and hood made of steel? I read in a thread here that someone stated their hood and/or fenders were made of steel. My T2 has an aluminum hood and plastic fender wells/front end.

4. Would someone with a "high" mileage T3 TDI or gasser please report their non-routine service history. I've read many reports here of a fault Adblue system, fuel pump and unknowledgeable service reps/techs blindly throwing parts at the T3's, underfilling Adblue, etc..

5. Given my constraints, would you purchase this vehicle? Why or why not?
 
#2 ·
No.
 
#4 ·
Golly! That was quick. I much preferred the sound of what you've already got - better the devil you know!!
 
#5 ·
To me, the interior on the T3 is much slicker than the T2 and I really don't use the T2's true 1:1 4x4.
I'll miss the ability to open the rear glass but I intend to keep looking for a 2011 Exec.

I've settled on 2011 specifically due to the availability of the autohold feature which seems to have been removed in the 2012+ models. Also, I will likely avoid the '11 TDI's given the Adblue/fuel-pump/steering-shake issues. I'll be making a purchase with little to no factory warranty remaining and do not wish to incur the potential expense of such repairs.
 
#6 ·
I've settled on 2011 specifically due to the availability of the autohold feature which seems to have been removed in the 2012+ models.
If you mean whether the vehicle rolls backward downhill when you take the foot off the brake, my 2012 TDI lux does not roll backward. I think the only thing they changed was the switch whereby you can turn it on/off, but that part of the manual and the update they sent out recently are confusing to me.
 
#7 ·
2011's are first year model... they are problematic.. and few were made... now the 2012's are another matter, much much easier to find one of those. 3x as many were made in TDI format.

I am always leary of a 3 year old car with two owners already and me being a potential 3rd owner.
 
#8 ·
You can find a better deal. Even $32k is high. Might be less to lease a new one give your mileage and term.


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#19 ·
With a $32k loan (not including extending the warrantee) + used car interest rates it was almost cheaper (on the monthly payment) to buy a new 2013 Touareg sport.

No, I do not have the luxury package or any of the gimmicks, but I have a solid new truck backed by the full factory warrantee and the peace of mind that the truck won't break down any time soon.

good luck to the OP!
 
#10 ·
If the diesel is total overkill, get a gasser less miles less mechanicals. A gasser for $30kish with 40-45k miles may be the ticket, or a little more to get under 36k for the warrantee but if the warrantee is 3400 bucks from Chris like I think I would pass. It would still be a nice ride. I am leary of NY, Bosten upper East coast vehicles in general as the roads and rush hour traffic are killers. Good luck

The 2011 with first year fears, diesel fears, 28.5 max.
 
#12 ·
Yur right NUN under 35k Cars.com either. This one went from NY to Fla vias the auction. Sertvice history looks fine, hope mine is as clean as this one at 89k. Have you seen it seems like aot of work for a high mileage Treg. Keep yurs keep looking, to bad some nice 011 Lux's gassers with 21k miles for $31g's
 
#13 ·
If you can't afford the lease of an Exec, how can you afford $32k? Paying cash up front? The lease is a defined cost. A used Exec with that many miles...dunno, doesn't make sense to me in this case.


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#15 ·
Just to clarify a few things;

1- 2011 is not a first year model. 2010 was in EU.
2- Autohold is no longer available in NA as of 2012. However according to my research Autohold can be easily retrofitted.

OP, you'll have much better luck with an X5 since all of their trims have an Autohold and you can find 2010/2011 for $35k or less.
 
#18 ·
Tell her the only place you want to see nails are hers on the steering wheel!
 
#20 ·
I'm not sure where the evidence is coming from that 11s are problematic ?

The autohold is a gimmick , which is why you no longer see it in the 12 + models. .. it might be handy if for some physical reason you can't put continuous pressure on a brake pedal . But otherwise I don't get the point of it my wife's tiggy has it. She never uses it.

Tdi is not about towing so get that sterotype out of your head. When you drive the tdi you will wonder why they bother with the gasser

35k for a two owner 100k mile out of warranty and unknown history vehicle is nuts. ...I'd personally wait it out and buy a cpo exec when it comes up so you get a warranty plus better financing deaks
 
#22 ·
The autohold is a gimmick , which is why you no longer see it in the 12 + models. .. it might be handy if for some physical reason you can't put continuous pressure on a brake pedal . But otherwise I don't get the point of it my wife's tiggy has it. She never uses it.
My 2012 has the autohold... perhaps though it was an "early '12" part of the production run as I got it in Dec. 2011. It is kinda nice to have if you're stuck in stop-and-go traffic, like during rush hour. Certainly not a requirement, and if it breaks down without affecting some other system, then I won't likely fix it, but I've played with it for the last couple of weeks and I mostly like it. When I don't like it, then I turn it off.
 
#23 ·
Since I've never driven a vehicle with Auto Hold, I had to look it up. Found this link that explains it as well as other features.

Auto Hold Function < Technical Glossary < Innovation & Technology < Volkswagen International

Ok, so now that I know what it is, I'm trying to figure out when I would appreciate such a feature. In the rare cases when I might, wouldn't manually triggering the Parking Break offer the same feature? It releases as soon as throttle is applied as well.
 
#31 ·
My auto hold remains in its previous state between starts. If I have it on during a drive, the parking brake gets set when I shift to park and turn off the engine. When I next start the Touareg, the auto hold is on and ready to be used.

I think the auto hold is different from the electronic parking brake. The parking brake seems to release a little slow when you press on the accelerator pedal. It often makes a bit of a groan sound and isn't very smooth to begin moving. The auto hold is smooth, almost like you've simply removed your foot from the brake pedal and moved onto the accelerator, all without a sound or unexpected motion.
 
#32 ·
I have a relatively high mileage 2011 TDI Exec that I bought new in April of 2011. Currently just hitting the 50K miles mark and the car has been completely trouble free. No wheel shake, no ad-blue problems, one sensor that went bad and was caught at the 30K mile service for free. Best car I've ever owned hands down. I can't comment on price, but I would buy another 2011 in a heartbeat. They didn't change anything between 2011's and 2012's in any case, so there's no difference, and the 2010's in Europe were the same car as well, so it's not really even a first year model. I did buy a 100K mile extended warranty, but so far haven't used it at all.

As for the auto-hold, yes mine has it, but I only use it when towing. The transmission has enough drag when you take your foot off the brake that the car will not move back unless you're on a very steep hill or towing something heavy. In that case, auto-hold isn't bad, but in normal driving it results in a bit of a herky jerky start which you'll quickly tire of, and end up shutting off.