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I am needed to replace my brakes on a 2006 Touareg V6TDI as the warning light is showing. It is showing around 180,000kms and has already had them changed at around 90,000kms.
I understand there are several pad types that may fit. The car has 17" wheels. My compliance plate shows the PR # as front 1LC and rear 1KF. Can anyone give me some part numbers for these parts as it is a little confusing being sure I get the correct ones. I need discs, pads and wear indicators.
Has anyone any recommendations where they may be available at a good price in Australia or overseas? Is the use of drilled discs worthwhile? What about ceramic pads? My car is always filthy with pad dust. USA suppliers do not list this model as they were never available in that market. Any comments would be appreciated. Thanks.
 
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I am going to replace rotors and pads in March too. 172000 km on the clock (no warning icon yet). When swapping for winter wheels the mechanic visually inspected the brakes and said it should be done now. As the first iteration in your search consider the following numbers for PR-1KF type rear brakes*:
7L0 698 451 G, 7L0 907 637 C, 7L8 615 601 C
may be (I emphasize) that's what you need.
Anyway, as for me, when placing an order, first, I am going to contact sales manager by phone and reconfirm (one by one) the positions (in the list) are correct (before I give the green light for processing).
*I can't find 1LC, only 1LB, 1LE, 1LT, 1LU.
 
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Forgot to mention. I know a very-very useful site, where you type in your VIN code and the entire original VW catalogue is available for you, VIN specific!!! So, you immediately jump to correct number and don't waste you time selecting a variant among the all available options. (The address is in Cyrillic letters and the content is in Russian). May be you have some equivalent in English?
 

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Njord .... i think a few people might struggle with Russian but glad you posted .... thanks

on another note if your wear indicators have not come on yet you would be wasting at least 6-10kms of pad life.

In my experience when the warning light came on i had around 6mths or 6-10kms left

The touareg warnings are renowned for coming on really really early
 
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on another note if your wear indicators have not come on yet you would be wasting at least 6-10kms of pad life.
In my experience when the warning light came on i had around 6mths
Thanks for a sage tip. I just want to consolidate all tasks into one Termin.
Let's consider it as a part of preventative maintenance schedule/program (as they do in aviation industry) mentioned by Stuart, aka hedditch. http://www.clubtouareg.com/forums/f67/tell-me-im-nuts-228618.html
 
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Thanks guys for the suggestions. I am having troubles with the Russian web site. I would love to find that site in English. Njord I notice that you have a R5 TDI. Of course they have different rotors due to stud pattern. Odessa is correct in saying I have plenty of time to arrange a brake replacement as there is plenty of pad left. I will continue my search. Thanks.
 
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Found more information on VIN numbers. see:www.vindecoderz.com/EN/check-lookup
That is not what I meant. :-( You'll be able to get the expandable sketches & part numbers there (all VIN specific) and available offers online, etc. Not just car's package recapitulation.
See more printscreens attached.
Does not help me exactly as it has not got Australian model.

Send me your VIN by PM, I will try for you.

So, today I ordered rotors and pads, all originals, except the rear pads (subs Brembos, VAG wasn't available). Not sure if it is a good practice to mix?
 

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#11 ·
If I understand "[subs Brembos, VAG wasn't available]" correctly, you've ordered Brembo pads which are made by PAGID, VW OEM.
 
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They will be made by PAGID who supply VW.
 
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Hi Njord,

Back to your suggestion of me supplying you with my Vin #. It is
WVGZZZ7LZ7D013960

The information I found was not Vin specific. As the 2006 V6 TDI was available in Australia and not USA makes searching more difficult. I have a digital copy of USA Touareg Service Manual but the 1st V6 TDI was 2009 and there could have been changes during that time.
I have also looked at parts.vw.com and filled in the Vin # and it says not found. This site is slightly different than the one I mentioned in an earlier post and shows the parts but not Vin specific. Thanks for your help.
 
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Hi Njord,

Back to your suggestion of me supplying you with my Vin #. It is
WVGZZZ7LZ7D013960
Es tut mir unendlich leid :-(
tobac, your VIN is not found. However, there is another option to narrow your search. Please provide following info: year of manufacture (are you sure it is 2006 and not 2007?), type of engine (3 or 4 letters code).
 
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Well, tobac. I gave up trying to identify your car. :(
So, what I have done:
Firstly, I opened Original catalog and proceeded straight to PR-1KF and PR-1LC brakes drawings (see attached pictures) and retrieved following info:

Rotors 7L6615301N & 7L6615302N (left and right)
Pads 7L0698151H
Sensors 7L0907637

Rotors 7L8615601C
Pads 7L0698451G
Sensors 7L0907637C

To cross checked above info I found the following VIN
WVGZZZ7LZ7D003002 (it is 7LAAR1 modification, 2007 model year, produced in May 2006, BKS engine 3.0 TDI V6 165 kW) and used it at the "magic" site I mentioned before.
The only discrepancy I noticed (based on that VIN) is the trailing character of pads code string:
7L6698151E & 7L6698451B.

So, with the high level of probability Rotors and Sensors are identified now.
You have to solve pads dilemma only.
 

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You are saying "side, which concerns me a little, as brake pads and rotors are normally always replaced as an axle set. Front or rear (or both) not one side at a time.
 
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X2.

You must replace both sides on the same axle at the same time to maintain even braking performance.
 
#27 ·
Simply by removing the road wheel, you will be able to see the remaining pad thickness. Outer pads can be seen without removing the wheel however inner pads are more difficult to check.

A couple of points to remember about maintaining decent pad depth;
1. You are pulling up a vehicle weighting over two metric tons ( 2000 kg +)
2. Brake efficiency drops off as the pad reaches minimum thickness due to heating and reduce material mass
3. You will, due to normal brake bias, burn up fronts at about twice the rate of rears, however don't assume that the rears don't need inspection
4. New brake pads ( and even rotors ) are cheaper that panel work !!!

Remember whilst braking, a massive rush of adrenaline is far more enjoyable than massive panel job. ;-)

Stuart....
 
#30 ·
Replace all 4 corners.
 
#32 ·
You need to measure the thickness of each of the 4 discs to see if they are now undersize and should be replaced, or whether there is still enough service thickness to run another set of pads.

Some people only get one set of pads to one set of discs, others sometimes manage two sets of pads.

However there is a possibility the discs will go undersize in terms of thickness during the life of the second set of pads so you should carefully consider disc replacement.

Visual inspection of the pads' remaining frictio matrial thickness will guide you on which axle ALL the pads needs replacing.

The way in which your first post was worded and your repeat post worries me! Perhaps you should be entrusting the job to a good independent workshop.
 
#33 ·
OK I have done some research using my 2004 V8 vin WVGEM77L94D068715 on the OEM parts website parts.vw.com

I even have the parts numbers from the dealer from my last brake job. The real issue is that last letter. Unfortunately the numbers don't seem to match. Does anyone know what it refrs to? Maybe it is laterality or a year model varient and actually the same part.

I actually want to go to the aftermarket and would lov to know. From the dealer and site in parentheses

Front ROTORS 7L6615301N(P) PADS 7L0698151Q(S)

REAR ROTORS 7L8615601C(G) PADS 7L0698451G(H)
 
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Volkswagen part numbering system - TDIClub Forums

oilhammer on the TDI Club forums said:
OK, a quick lesson in how VAG (Volkswagen, A.G.) part numbers work for those who have asked. I am by no means the top expert on this, but I will try to share what I know.

The VAG system uses two seperate systems, one for most all the normal parts, and another for many fasteners, hardware, o-rings, bulbs, etc. I will be discussing the former system that most people would want to be familiar with in dealings with the cars.

The number consists of 9 digits, 3 'sets' of 3, and sometimes a letter (or a couple letters) suffix at the end. Looks something like this: 010 321 371 B. There is a method to the madness, and here is how it works!
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The first set denotes what that part fits. This set will typically be one of three types: platform, engine, or transmission. Keep in mind, many early cars (going WAY back here) will use the same set to denote all 3 types. But with all the later stuff, it will be broken down. Now, what do I mean by these 3 types? 'Platform' refers to a specific body or chassis type. 'Engine' is a specific engine that may be used in several platforms. 'Transmission' once again may be used in several platforms. This 3 digit set will tell us what the part fits, and every platform, engine, and transmission will have its own unique code. For instance, if you have a 1998 Jetta, the most common platform codes for that car will be 1H0 or 1HM. If your 1998 Jetta is a TDI and uses the AHU engine, its engine parts will mostly have a 028 code, if those parts are specific to the AHU engine. Its manual transmission will carry a code of 02A.

So if we see a part number that is 1HM xxx xxx x we can assume that whatever the part is, it fits an A3 platform Golf, Jetta, or Cabrio, and it may fit other platforms if they employ the same part.

That first set can be more specific within the platform. For instance, the Jetta is based on the Golf. They share 90% of their parts. But something Jetta specific that is NOT the same as the Golf may have a different 3rd digit. Same goes for different body types within a platform (2 dr versus 4 dr, for instance).

The second set of numbers is the main group. This actually narrows down what the part actually does. The main groups are divided into 9 categories:

1: engine and clutch
2: fuel tank, pipes, exhaust system, heater
3: transmission
4: front axle, differential, and steering
5: rear axle
6: wheels and brakes
7: hand and foot controls, safety covers
8: body and sheetmetal
9: electrical components

The first digit of the second set will denote which main group category the part is from. So, if our part number is xxx 1xx xxx x we know it is an engine or clutch part. This center set will break down even further to get you closer to what the part does. For instance, a '98' denotes a kit of some kind. '21' denotes water cooling parts. So, a part number that has a 198 in its center set is a kit for an engine, like a gasket kit for example. A part number with 121 in its center set is most likely a coolant hose, pipe, a water pump, radiator, etc.

The last set is the part control number, just an actual sequence number and is usually not too important in actually identifying what the part is and what it fits. It just narrows it down the rest of the way to get exact. One useful hint here: if the part in question has a left and a right, like tail lamp lenses, for instance, the RIGHT side will end in an even digit, and the LEFT side will end in an odd digit.

The last little bit is the suffix. These are not always present. Usually this denotes a newer or updated version, but not always. Important note here is that if a VAG part number ends with an X, that denotes that it is a remanufactured part, and will need to be returned for a core.

Now, all the first set codes can be tough to remember, BUT thank goodness Volkswagen has always been very good about putting the part numbers on just about every part in the entire car! This can help you quickly and easily get a replacement. Keep in mind, however, that there are always numerous supercessions as well as omissions, so these are not always 100% reliable.

Ok, so let's say you had some freak rock come flying up and break your brand new Jetta's left outer tail lamp... the part number is 1K5 945 095 J.

1K5 is the A5 Jetta platform set
945 we learned the 9 is electrical, and 45 is the tail lighting code
095 tells is which specific part, and that odd number 5 insures us it is the left side.
J just means the current revision for the US spec Jetta tail lamps

So, when you are tinkering with your car, and you see those numbers on those parts, try it out and see if you can understand how that part got its number! Also, this is very useful when ordering parts, and insuring you get the correct parts.
 
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Thanks very helpful

I would just add that over time some parts have been replaced with newer versions introduced on a different platform. The first 3 series of digits and the last digit may be different but the part still correct for your specific year.