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7P Brembo 18 inch front brake pad change

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#1 · (Edited)
My V8 TDI has the 18 inch 6 piston front Brembo Brakes. After 120k kms the front pads were down to about 3.5 mm and due for a change. The pads and disks where the original ones fitted in the factory so a good life. The disks were only half worn at 34.9 mm ( new 36mm minimum 34) and the surface smooth and un-grooved so i decided not to change them. I was using the procedure in the Erwin manual but it has a few key missing points and errors and also there are a few tricky things to do so that I thought I would document this for others doing this job for the first time. The calipers need to be removed from the hubs as the pads come out the bottom of the caliper not the top like most 2 or 4 piston calipers.

1. The harness that contains the brake line, wheel speed sensor and pad wear indicator wires needs to be released from the strut. This is held in place in two locations by two clips on the strut and In typical VW design excellence the locating screws are behind the stut and not easily accessible. Also in typical VW fashion they are different Torx head sizes being a T30 and T40 :(. The lower T40 is also nicely blocked by the rigid brake line between the caliper and strut so its hard to get the T40 on straight.

You also have to unplug the actual brake wear sensor from this harness and the wheel speed sensor so the brake line can moved far enough when removing the caliper to change the pads. The wear sensor plug is accessible and its removal is possible. i always fit new wear sensors as I can rarely remove them from the pads without braking the fragile plastic back section which seems to weld itself to the pad due to heat. However the speed sensor plug is not as easily accessible and I found it easier to remove the whole sensor with the plug still connected to avoid risking breaking the connector. Again in typical VW fashion this uses a different fastener with 5 mm hex socket screw. If this was a Toyota all three screws would be the same!

Back view of strut and harness retaining clips
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The different size set screws
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3 different tools to remove the set screw
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2. To spread the pads for caliper removal you need to remove the spring clips in the top of the caliper that secure the pads and stop them rattling. The Erwin manual implies these are removed once the caliper is removed and the pads removed but without removing them you cant spread the pads with the normal pad spreader tool. You also cant easily insert the new pads into position with the clips in place as the spring load is high and you cant get the pads over their lower guide pins. I don't think the manual writer had ever done this job and was just working from the exploded parts diagram. The clips are designed to be removable by depressing the outer end and sliding them to the outer ends of the caliper and then lever up the other end. A few screw drivers and punches and hammer and multigrips are needed to achieve this as they are very firmly in place. See the photos below. Once removed the pad spreading tool can be located on the lugs the spring clips rest on to expand the pads

Spring clip in place sitting on cam shaped lugs on pads
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Outer end depressed and clip moved outwards off the pad lugs
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Inner end released and clip can be removed. It may spring out at this point so hold it so it does not fly away
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Pad spreader can now be used
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3. For removal of the main radial bolts that secure the caliper to the hub make sure you have a top quality 1/2 drive 14mm triple square / spline bit and a 1/2 inch long breaker bar. Also make sure the the sockets in the bolts are clean and the bit fully inserted. You will need up to 400 ft/lbs to remove these torque to yield bolts and I broke the first 14mm triple square I used by twisting it off. Fortunately when it failed it did not damage the bolt head.

Big breaker bar and 14mm spline bit to remove radial caliper securing bolts
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4. There is a special tool which is a pair of rods that screw into the bolts holes in the hub. This enables the caliper to be raised up radially off the hub and brake disk. The rods have a step in them that then holds the caliper in place while the pads are swapped. I bought this tool off eBay inexpensively and well worth it as holding the large heavy calipers with the limited movement available from the brake line would otherwise be very difficult.

Special tool - rods to support caliper
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Caliper support on guide pins
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5. Once the pads are swapped reassembly is the reverse of disassembly as they say. You need new caliper mounting bolts and its 30 Nm to seat them and then 90 degree turn with the breaker bar. I use Loctite nickel anti-seize on all bolts during reassembly to make it easier from removal next time and to minimise the risk of stripping the threads in the alloy hub and strut. This must be a relatively common problem as VW have a procedure and set of special tools to install a thread insert in the hub if the thread is stripped.

6. The rigid brake pipe that runs from the caliper to the lower clip on the strut is located via an oval rubber grommet held in place by a C shaped backet on the lower clip, make sure this grommet is still in place when refitting the clip as it can be pulled out inadvertently when moving the caliper. The flexible brake line needs to be careful seated in the groove at the back of the strut when reattaching the upper clip.

7. The pad retaining clips are fitted then in a similar way to their removal. Push one end down and fully towards the outer end of the caliper, then bend inwards and push down the other end to seat it under the caliper lip. Then lever the clip back to the central position so that the side arms of the clip rest on the lugs of the pads securing the from rattling.

I hope this helps. The first caliper took me about 4 hours to figure out these issues, the second one took me about 1.5 hours once I had all the tools ready and knew the procedures that worked.

cheers
Rohan
 
#3 ·
I think the Brembo 18 inch 6 piston front brakes were only used in the 7P V8 TDI ( not sold in the US) and the Hybrid (was sold in US). Probably also in some of the rare Treg exotics like the W12 petrol and V12 diesel maybe other Audi Q7 and Porsche Cayenne versions also.
 
#4 ·
Great write up Rohan, thank you!

Tony_B
 
#6 ·
Finished bedding in the "cheap" Bremtec Euroline pads in the last couple of days and the initial bite and modulation is the same as the OEM pads I removed. They are the same compound as the rears I fitted a few months ago and I look forward to not having to clean the wheels every 2 weeks. The pads on the rear showed they dust up 95+% less.
 
#8 ·
I first do around 6 to 8 normal rate stops from 60km/h to 20 km/h to ensure the pads are working and I know if any change in brake pedal pressure needed. Then i will do the same but from 100km/h to 20 km/h with heavy braking to get some more heat into the brakes and then keep driving to allow the pads to cool down so yes it only takes around 20 minutes but you need to find a suitable road. After that the pads should be stable and work normally assuming the disks are in good condition which they were. The pads had a bedding in strip on them which you see on many pads these days. Below is a description from the Bendix web site. Nominally they don't need bedding in but I still do it and it lets me get a feel for the new pads behaviour.

How do you ‘bed-in’ new brake pads?
Bendix brake pads don’t require bedding-in, but it’s a technique that involves a series of warm-up and then aggressive braking applications after the new pads are fitted. The process transfers a layer of brake pad compound to the surface of the disc brake rotor to assist braking.
The reason bedding-in isn’t needed with Bendix pads is their ‘Blue Titanium Stripe’ technology, which is designed to rapidly mate with the rotor when brakes are first applied. Full braking performance is achieved instantly, eliminating the need to bed in, saving considerable time.
Brake pad FA Qs 5

Bendix's 'Blue Titanium Stripe' - no bedding-in required.
ftermarket Association
 
#9 ·
That's pretty standard.... unless you're using specific compounds, there's very little variation in the process across various brands, etc.

Here's my "el cheapo's" process as per their reuquirement.
Code:
Step 1
Find a Safe Area
Choose a safe, open space where you can accelerate and brake repeatedly without traffic, pedestrians, or interruptions.

Step 2
Initial Aggressive Stops
Accelerate to 35 mph (55 km/h), then brake firmly down to 5 mph (8 km/h). Do not come to a full stop or allow the brakes to cool between runs. Repeat 6 times.

Step 3
Moderate Stops
Repeat the same process using moderate braking pressure instead of aggressive stops. Again, avoid full stops or cooling periods. Complete 6 repetitions.

Step 4
Cool Down Drive
Drive at a steady speed for 6–8 minutes without heavy braking or full stops. For Performance or Comfort Series rotors, extend this drive by an additional 3 minutes.

Step 5
Final Cool Down
Park the vehicle and let the brakes cool naturally for at least 30 minutes. Avoid pressing the brake pedal during this time.[/quote]
 
#11 ·
I certainly dont see that on the "Euroline" pads from them in my V8TDI FWIW. The perform just as the OEM pads did in terms of initial bite, brake modulation and ultimate stopping capability and pedal pressure hot or cold but they dont cover the wheels in dust. I will assess wear rates over the next few years as I measure pads and disks every service or sooner if I suspect any issues.
 
#13 ·
Unfortunately these Cayenne S 6 piston calipers use the more conventional axial mounting bolts not the radial mounting bolts used in the later 6 pistons front calipers on my 7P. A swap would involve the front hub at least. Also not sure if these suit the larger disks on the V8TDI. So given that the next change is probably 10 years away and i will need new disks at that point I can i live with the complexity of the current brake pad change at that future time
 
#18 ·
A couple comments:
1) It looks like you were using a ball head allen wrench. I never use those unless there is no other choice. The ball doesn't have enough surface area and has a tendency to mess up the bolt.
2) I use a spray bottle with isopropyl alcohol (IPA) to spray on the rubber brake line grommets. it makes them slippery so they pop right out of the holders. IPA works great as a lubricant to remove/install rubber parts, and it evaporates and leaves no residue.
 
#19 ·
Given the difficulty on getting onto the screws behind the strut. i used the ball head on the hex socket screw the other 2 screws where also hard to get the Torx on. Unfortunately no ball headed torx. I could have used a flexible socket drive with a 5mm hex bit or Torx bits but what I used worked OK.