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3.0 TDI CNRB Oil Cooler Replacement Notes

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#1 ·
Just finished replacing the Oil Cooler on my 2013 3.0 TDI CNRB.

I'm posting this in case someone can use what I learned.

The reason I replaced it was because of random coolant loss on cold mornings which lead me to notice oil in valley area of the block below the intake manifold. The oil cooler had been replaced once under warranty so I suspected the seals weren't sealing. I ended up putting Febi cooler on it. I could have probably reused the original cooler but didn't want to spend hours cleaning and scrubbing it and making sure it was absolutely ready to go back on. It was just quicker to put a new cooler on.

Upon disassembly I found quite a few of the T30 Torks bolts to be slightly less torque then the rest of them.

My advise to anyone thinking their cooler is leaking would be to look for obvious signs of leaking and try re-torquing the bolts one by one. It take about 2 hours to get to the oil cooler (removing a few items required to remove the intake). I found for some reason the bolts on the passenger side were less torqued than the right side.

I also noticed the adapter plate between the block and the oil cooler is a raw casting (no machining), so when I checked it for flatness found it to be out of flat by 0.005" on a granite table. I suspect this is part of what causes leaks as the seal is 100% reliant on the gasket which over time will loose it's elasticity and require re-tightening of the bolts. In my case I lapped the surface of the plate on the granite table with 320 grit sand paper until it was nice and flat, cleaned it with detergent and water to get all the oil residue off and then re-assembled it with new gaskets and the new Febi oil cooler.

I also found (perhaps obvious to any technician reading this) that as I torqued the the plate from the inner outward in a star pattern in 3-4 Nm intervals (like torquing a cylinder head). That I'd have to recheck torques at least 3-4 times around the complete pattern. I could walk away for a few minutes and check them again and notice a few needed to be re-torqued. Eventually they were all torqued and several checks around the torque pattern they were all about the same. I used a bending beam torque wrench with the pointer needle instead of a click lock style, so I could see the torque on each fastener.

After about 150 miles of driving it seem to be leak free.

For anyone doing this job in the future I recommend buying a new fuel cross over line (I'm told they aren't reusable, however I reused the one I have), and also replace the plastic Manifold and Thermal valve "while you're in there". I also recommend replacing the three hoses that connect to the manifold, EGR cooler and Thermal valve. It turns out the O-Rings on the Manifold are available from VW, and in fact the Manifold doesn't come with the O-Ring. There are two 90 degree elbow hoses one connecting to the EGR cooler (large bend radii) and another 90 degree elbow on the thermal valve to manifold connection as well as an almost straight piece of hose from the EGR Cooler to the Waterpump.

I will probably have to go back in and replace these in a year or three. I didn't have them on hand and the dealer didn't have any so I reused the old ones. However replacing these hoses later will basically require me to repeat the entire job.

I found the toughest part of this job is cleaning the mess in the engine valley. I used a very cheap bucket type shop vac to extract coolant from the hose on the water pump that connects to the EGR cooler and to vacuum up the oil goop in the valley area of the engine.

There are a lot of nooks and crannies in the valley area that if you want it perfectly clean (as I did) it will take several hours with to clean without getting anything into the openings.

In my case I put paper towels in the openings to catch any debris and vacuumed the debris before removing the paper towel and then inspected very carefully the oil cooler valve spring to make sure nothing got into the oil.

Overall the cleaning process took me about 6 hours with a few breaks. Some of the problem was the paint chipped off and I had to be sure to get all the gritty rust / paint mixture out.

Re-assembly took about 4.5 hours taking my time.

I'll post more details if anyone wants them and pictures and a parts list.
 
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#3 ·
I suspect I'll have to re-torque the bolts in a few months, which means removing the manifold. I didn't add any loctite to the threads. I almost wonder if this interface wouldn't have been better sealed by Loctite 515 or 518 flange sealant rather than an EPDM rubber gasket. At this point I'm planning on treating these gaskets as consumables like a timing belt and replacing them every 50K miles (or at least re-torquing the bolts).
 
#5 · (Edited)
Here is my preliminary parts list:
Part NumberLetter CodeTypeDescriptionSupersedesApprox Audi Dealer Price USD
059117015POil Cooler Assembly Kit with GasketsOil Cooler with Seals and Adapter Flange
$675​
059121506HBlack Plastic ManifoldCoolant Flange, Manifold to EGR Cooler
$35​
059117070Gasket / SealOil Cooler Base Plate to Block GasketNone
$25​
059117070BGasket / SealEngine Oil Cooler to Base Plate GasketNone
$20​
059121149BGasket / SealWasher / Gasket for Thermal Valve059121149
$6​
059121731DTube / Hose AssemblyQuick Connect Hose To Coolant Reservoir Overflow059121731A
059121731B
$18​
059121073PHose - Almost StraightCoolant Hose Between Water Pump Manifold and Oil Cooler Cooler (5/8") - StraightNone
$15​
059121103HHose - Elbow LargerElbow Engine Coolant House. Oil Filter Adapter to EGR Cooler.
$15​
059121625DHose - Elbow SmallElbow Engine Coolant Pipe Hose. Coolant Valve to Coolant Manifold Smaller Radii059121625C
$5​
G40 CoolantAntifreeze - ZerexAnti-Freeze Concentrate
$18​
N-908-091-02O-RingSeal O-Ring for 0059121506 Coolant Flange - To EGR Interface
$4​
Distilled Water 1 GallonWater for Antifreeze - Grocery StoreDistilled Water to Mix 1 Gallon of Antifreeze to 50/50 Ratio for 2 Gallons Total
$2​

I should also add that I used a tiny bit of RTV in the grooves of the O-Rings prior to installing them

Permatex 82180 Ultra Black Maximum Oil Resistance RTV
Permatex 22071 Water Pump & Thermostat RTV

I only expect about 3 years / 50K out of the gaskets and RTV since this is the second time it was done (1st time was under warranty at 100K miles).

I could probably have re-used the Oil Cooler but was tight on time so I used a Febi Bilstein 109681. I will probably clean the 2nd oil cooler up for the next round since it only has about 50K on it since warranty put it on.

Tool wise I needed:
T30 Torks for most of the job
5mm or 6mm Hex drive to remove some of the intake pieces
8mm Tripple Square to remove the seat to disconnect the battery.
Hose Clamp Pliers
Anti-Seize for a few of the bolts and to assist re-installing the hoses.
1/4" & 3/8" Extension
1/4" & 3/8" Universal Joint
17mm Tubing Wrench to remove the diesel cross over tube
 
#16 ·
Picking up old thread:
We completed a valley re-seal in May - and in about 1500 miles, I have a full valley again. No coolant this time (happily) - but a lot of oil.

Using the FCP re-seal kit, we swapped out most parts - but we weren't able to remove the oil cooler base plate to get to the seals below. We're assuming someone used RTV on this previously - and I'm not sure how to force it out when we return.

Thread above is a great resource - looking for advice on:
  1. Leak has returned - I'm assuming it's oil cooler related, but other threads do point toward valve cover gaskets (seems unlikely to yield the volume of oil I'm seeing) and oil filter housings (they flow out - toward the engine front - correct?). Should I worry about a front cover leak?
  2. How to break the plate free? Any pointers / pro tips are appreciated
  3. Valley clean-up: We ensured mating surfaces were cleaned - but did not spend 6 hours in the valley on clean-up. On our return trip, we'll need to do a better job. Any tips - or just a ton of Brake Clean (non-flam), brushes, rags, and shop vac?
Honestly, the 'engineering' found in this valley was disappointing - and I'm not surprised that these are a constant headache - the SUSTdi components appear to be a step in the right direction, but the inherent assembly is a discouragement.

Appreciate any advice others can offer.
Andrew
 
#17 ·
I have the same car at 165k and just completed reseal & about to fill and test.

I am sad that your leaks returned, and I agree on the "poor" engineering with all the plastics. My thoughts based on reassembly and research, IMHO in order of probability (besides valve cover gasket)

The oil cooler interface plate warped (reason they used sealant?), or damaged, spending the PIA time to go back in there I would have on hand a new plate and cooler. You will have to lever the plate and avoid damaging the block. Try playing a heat gun on the plate to provide some differential heating while levering at different corners (against scrap plastic parts on the block).

The plastic oil filter housing cracked.

The front engine plate cracked (less likely and I think that would be water into the "V").

M