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2013 Touareg TDI vs BMW X5 diesel

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#1 ·
I replaced my beloved 2009 X5d, and picked up a 2013 VW Touareg TDI executive. I thought I'd post some remarks after driving it around for past couple of weeks.

I considered a Cayenne Diesel as well. The 2013 Touareg TDI has the exact drivetrain, so I could not justify the extra $20k+ for it. I also thought of waiting for the updated Q7 or the Q5 TDI that is supposed to come out this summer....

I've always admired the Touareg and almost bought a V10 TDI way back when....After I read reviews and test drove the VW, I knew that this was the car for me....

So far, only about 600 mi on it. I have been averaging 24mpg with 70/30 city/hwy. My X5 got no better than 21.5mpg on mixed driving with the 19 in rims, and 20mpg on the 20 in rims. My VW has 20 in rims, so it seems to be more efficient....The VW has a 25ish gallon diesel tank, so has about 700 mi range. We'll be taking it to Tahoe over New Year, so will see how it does on the highway....

It feels as strong as the X5 as far as accelerating off the line and passing at speed. It has a much quieter cabin than the X5, including engine sound, wind noise, and tire noise. No rattles inside whatsoever. Pretty much no diesel noise (I liked the noise on the X5) heard in the cabin. When accelerating, it sounds more throaty, almost like you would have removed an air filter to get more of that throaty sound.....

It feels solid on the road, and handles very well. My old X5 had adaptive drive, so I feel a bit more lean in the VW. Nonetheless, it handles very well and feels solid and well planted on the road.....

Comfort wise, the seats are very comfortable. The sport seats in my X5 may have been slightly more comfortable and offer a bit more lateral support, but harder to get in and out of. The steering wheel is thick like the sport wheel on my X5, and has a good feel to it. The steering is variable, so at low speed it is very light and easy to turn, and it stiffens up as you pick up speed. Road feel is not as good as the X5, but is is pretty good nonetheless.

The electronics in the VW blow away the X5 (and my wife's current 2012 F10). Touch screen NAV is great! Voice commands are easy to use. Radio sounds a lot better. There is a temperature gauge, which I like. Front parking sensors are always on, so when I am parking head in, they beep when I get close to something. On the X5, The sensors only come on if you put in reverse or turn them on manually....

The VW has a spare tire, which I like. Strangely, there is no dipstick, but there is a tube present for the dipstick with a rubber stopper (instead of a dipstick), so I can order the dipstick from a 2012 model and it is compatible. Even if I don't get a dipstick, I like that the tube is there so when I do my own oil change, I can use an oil extractor. The oil filter is at the top of the engine as well.

Mirrors "auto-fold" when doors are locked, which I like.

The VW came from factory with a tow hitch that looks like it really belongs there, unlike the X5 where they have to hack away the rear bumper plastic to mount the hitch....

The VW has a 100k mile powertrain warranty, which is awesome. Also 3 years of maintenance is included...

A couple of minor things I am not crazy about. The rear windows don't roll all the way down, so 3-4 inches of glass remain visible with the windows "all the way down". The steering wheel heater does not have a button on the steering wheel, so you have to turn it on through the touchscreen NAV display...Easy to do, but not as convenient as a button on the steering wheel. I don't think the VW has a ceramic heater like the X5, so takes longer to heat up in the morning. Also, there is a fuel filler restrictor, like on the X5...

I was also thinking of waiting for the Q5 diesel, but WAY too many on the road around here (as well as X5s, Cayennes, Q7s). The Q5 is also a bit small for my needs (kids, etc), and more like the size of X3...

I don't see too many Touaregs on the road, unlike the X5, X3, Audi, Cayenne. I figure at the price point of the VW, people will more likely go for the "badge". I think the VW is a very understated, and has a lot of great features and luxuries similar to the "brands"....

In summary, I do miss my X5, but I think that the Touareg is a worthy replacement....
 

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#2 ·
Nice review and sweet ride. I think the Treg looks better than all the Audi's (egg-mobiles) and at a minimum goes head to head vs the X5 looks wise. I would never buy a Porche SUV, for the money i'll go Range Rover every day. You my friend just got what I believe to be the most value for your dollar in this segment.
 
#4 ·
Great comparison! I have never owned an X5 but a friend did and had so much trouble with it that he traded it away after a year and a half. The X5 suffered from a lot of electrical and minor mechanical issues. His problems and quite a few published reliability reviews convinced me to not even bother looking at one when I researched SUV's. And I like BMW's as a whole.
 
#5 ·
Fantastic comparison. Did you check the sides and behind the steering wheel for the steering wheel heater button. That's where they were on T1/T2.

I completely know what you mean about way too many Q's and Cayennes in your neighborhood. I have the same problem ;)

Also, any comments about the suspension?
 
#8 ·
I know what you mean but it's not on the T3 steering wheel. I had the button on my T1 and I miss it.
 
#9 ·
Nice review. We currently drive a Mercedes GL350 and looking to go smaller.

We have been looking at buying a 2012 BMW X5 diesel, 2013 Cayenne Diesel and a 2013 Touareg Exec. The cheapest is actually the BMW, because they have so many incentives right now and I get a USAA discount too. MSRP on that one is about $67,000 and can buy it for around 56,000. It has more options on it than the Touareg and includes the maintenance on it for 50,000. Supposively reliability on the diesel is good according to Consumer Reports. BMW is probably the best value, but it is also the last year of the body style.

Cayenne diesel is our favorite, but it is about $12,000 more than the Touareg and X5d. Very hard to justify, which is why we are looking at a 2013 Touareg TDI. Very similar SUV to the Porsche.

I don't trust the reliability of any of the three, but like all of them. Hard decision.
 
#10 ·
The VW/Porsche and the MB diesels are silky smooth, the X5d - not so much. Not tough to dismiss the x5d if diesel clatter annoys you...just starting it up makes it clear its a generation behind the other two.
 
#21 ·
Possibly. I have dealer ad plates from Oakland VW on mine. I am more in Almaden area, but go through edge of LG for kid's school....

The 8-speed transmission is by far much better than the 6-speed in the X5. I don't find it shifting so much with the diesel given that it does not really strain going up the hills....

I paid 56,550 + TTL, so not very different than the X5 with incentives.

As far as tow hitch on the X5, you can order it from the factory, but it is the same bolt on one that you can have installed at the dealer. The rear bumper will be cut with a saw and they put a plastic edge thing on it to hide the saw marks and make a smooth edge....

So far I am very happy with the VW and the motor is just amazing. Thanks for all the replies to my review and I am happy to answer any questions
 
#15 ·
Just like you, I like the Porsche but couldn't justify 25k for a badge and a fancier skin. Although I opted for a hybrid I did consider diesels and an X5 was one of them (love the look) but can't stand the diesel clatter and the fact that a $60k+ car will be a "previous model" in 1.5 years. Ride wise I think BMW takes the cake, looks and interior go to Porsche and the value to VW.
 
#16 ·
Good to see someone do a detailed comp of two top-tier SUVs like the X5 and TReg. These two vehicles were my finalists when I started car-shopping around this time last year, and I was very close to getting the X5, but at the end of the day couldn't justify an extra $10K for a car that seemed to be equal to the TReg minus the "badge" factor.

And in my 'hood, there are a gizzillion Q7s, Cayennes, X5s, Q5, and Range Rovers (in about that order of popularity). And not to be sexist, but the vast majority of these are driven by moms dropping their kids off at school. It is nice to drive something very few people drive, and that has a bit of a "muscle car" flair to it in the SUV category.
 
#18 ·
Yes, indeed they’re behind one generation. The X5d is too noisy inside for a luxury SUV and the ride is stiff. However, my main turn-down with the X5d was unavailability of manufacturer-installed towing package – I am still not sure if they make vehicles with towing packages at all or not, - I was not able to locate one in 500 miles radius of my ZIP. It would be interesting to see what the new X5, especially diesel-equipped, would be. I have a great respect for the BMW cars in general.
 
#20 ·
For seemingly such a "niche" small (CUV) segment, the attempt to equalize (apples to apples comparisons) them is certainly DAUNTING !! The task gets no easier, even in the even smaller diesel subset ! So this post is just to provide some kind of (TDI) context. Everyone of course has different agendas: needs, wants, priorities, likes, dislikes, preferences and price/performance ratios.

So in keeping with the OP thread:

2012 MY VW Touareg TDI shows 340 units (cars.com) ranging in price from $39,990 to $61,145.

2012 MY BMW X5 35D shows 576 units, ranging from $52,990 to $78,195.

2012 MB ML 350 Bluetec shows 31 units ranging from $54,965 to $77,025.

The sort of "standard" in the segment is the (gasser) Acura MDX.

These are the ones that I seriously considered in getting the VW T in my signature.
 
#25 ·
I never said the VW handled better than the X5. The X5 felt more planted and seemed more connected to the road. The VW is no slouch hough. It handles very good and feels solid and well planted as well. It leans a bit more, but my X5 had adaptive drive which reduced the leaning....

When I referred to electronics, I should have been more specific. I did not imply that it was more reliable since I do not know that. I was referring to the electronics like the NAV, user interface, etc. The X5 does not even come close. My wife's new BMW F10 does not come close as well with the "updated" iDrive.

I must say though, BMW is not exactly famous for reliable electronics....I had a few electronics related recalls and failures on my X5 (temp sensor, steering angle sensor, DVD player failure x 2, etc)

A couple of other things I found that I like on the VW:

Regular shifter with P, R, N, D. Pull back and it goes into sport mode, pull back again and it goes back to regular mode. Move to RT to manual shift.

I like that I can open and close the rear hatch from inside car or with remote. Can't to that on the X5.

Now that I am around 1000 mi, I am noticing the power that the VW has. Seat of pants, it feels like it has more zip and pull off the line than the X5. Passing power at highway speed is about the same...

Thanks again for the feedback!
 
#24 ·
Well the X5 has stiffer suspension, so most people think stiff suspension = better handling. the Touareg and Cayenne have identical suspension geometry and AFAIK Porsche > BMW in the handling business.
 
#28 ·
Amazing, the range the VW Touareg covers, price and breadth wise. Heck, I wanted the diesel, wanted the minimum amount of bells and whistles, wanted the tow hitch to use it more like a truck. So I bought the most basic of Sport models, at close out, for a song.

Spent Friday and Saturday driving about 1100 miles, pretty much 10 hour days on interstate at 65 mph, took driving breaks when I had to eat, leak, fill up to check my pencil and paper MPG's where diesel was at a good price, or just stretch out and walk.

For the amount of time I spent in the seat over 2 days, very impressed with how comfortable the seats are. Drove from Flagstaff to Sedona and back up to Flagstaff in Oak Creek Canyon on highway 89A, and those headlights aim all over the place on the canyon walls, based on the direction of the steering wheel.

Even more impressed with the MPG when on cruise control... my last tank averaged 37 MPG, the whole trip was 34.2 MPG, and I run on the most basic of 18" rims, and the tires felt great. Very nimble in the canyons, for as heavy a SUV it is. I've never thought about owning a Porsche, I have owned VW's from 1967 beetles, to transporters to every known TDI jetta or passat available in North America, and the Touareg is worlds apart from almost all of them in how it drives. Is there shared technology from Porsche built in everywhere? I don't know, I won't pay for the P badge to find out. But what ever VW is borrowing from it is a pure bonus.

My goal is to drive it gently, use it to tow a small 20ft travel trailer, not worry about snow with the all wheel drive feature, and maintain it the way VW recommends, by the book. I'll hope for a long, trouble free life, and hope it doesn't turn into a huge money pit for travel expenses and repair bills for parts.

Great write up, nice to know you don't have to worry about VW buying ad space at the place your write for, when your review is good, bad or indifferent.