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2013 Remove TDi to repair Oil Leak

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#1 ·
We have 11 months on our TDi and so far have had to replace the Starter, the Alternator and now the Engine has to be removed (30hrs) to repair an upper oil pan gasket leak. Does the engine really have to be removed for this ? Its under warranty yes but we will loose the vehicle again for a few weeks and if its like other times in the parts will have to come from Germany adding more delays. Any thoughts or advice appreciated
 
#4 ·
Regarding oil leak. I have had no indication of leak but when the VW showed it to us it was real and hard to see without one of these flexible cameras on a stick.there is quite a lot of fresh oil coating adjacent surfaces. I did not have any drips on my garage floor but that's because there is an oil absorbent pad on the skid plate and pan that is beneath the engine. When they do an oil change the pan is removed and that's when it was found.I guess there is an absorbent pad to catch oil from the expected oil leaks on these engines. We spent years in choosing this vehicle and are really feeling let down. We are having a Love Hate relationship with our Touareg! I don't think we dare keep it beyond its warranty coverage as it will have had 7 or 8 thousand dollars in repairs by then
 
#5 ·
I find it rather odd that there is an absorbent pad on the skidplate. Perhaps it was put there to hide the leaks from the get-go? That is really suspicious in my book. How was it secured in place to keep it from drifting around/falling out? No way should this engine be leaking a single drop of oil.
 
#6 ·
It doesn't take 30 hours to remove a V6 Tdi.

Properly organised this should be no more than a two, maybe three, day job tops in my view.

I've not heard of an absorbent pad on the undertray on any Touareg before .....

I'd be talking about to VWoA about a replacement T3.
 
#7 ·
Interesting. I've made them note my seepage at both services so far. The fact that it's not enough to drip has prevented them from doing anything yet, and I'm ok with that for now, but definitely keep an eye on it. Curious about the absorbent pad - did it have wings perchance?
 
#8 ·
FYI: After almost 3 months of not having this Treg, I worked out a deal with the dealer, VW Canada that allowed us to trade in this Lemon and start fresh with an identical 2014 model. I have know idea what will happen to the 2013 that had either a bad engine but am glad it is out of my hands... We had begun arbitration processes and other legal means but never had to use them.. Happy to have a new Vehicle and crossing my fingers the issues with the 2013 were truly not normal......
 
#10 ·
I have 2013 touared executive. Bought it with 35 k and in 3 months it has 49k. Its using about 1/2 qt oil every 2500miles. Talked to the dealer they say its normal. I just got underneath the car and its greasy and oily all over underneath. Its leaking oil from somewhere, im gonna take it tomorrow and see what they tell me. I have extended warranty and i hope its covered if something needs to be done.
 
#13 ·
Good to see they handled it well.

My 13 has no absorbent "pad" or anything of the like, just plastic covers. the pad story might be dealer BS (imagine that!)
 
#14 ·
My 2012 TDI had a slow oil leakage at the rear of the engine that was diagnosed as faulty seal around the timing chain cover plate - the sealant used by VW had perished.

As a ROW 4XMotion, my Treg has plastic underbody protection with sound absorbing material attached to the upper side of it - this is where all the leaking oil was collecting.
 
#17 ·
Same Issue

Just bought a used 2013 TDI, and didn't take a good enough look to realize that it has this oil leak around the pan gasket. It seems like you should be able to fix it in place without dropping the engine/suspension. Does anyone know if VW uses an actual gasket or is it a 'gasket maker' that's applied like caulking? In that case I can see it being difficult to clean up the pan and mating for a good seal without dropping it. I'd like to go back and yell at the used car dealer but I know it's my fault... buyer beware!
 
#21 ·
I think I may have the same or similar leaking on mine, although the techs said the oil spray underneath may have been caused by a lack of crush washer on the drain plug from the last changeover - continuing to observe for now.

However, I do think there's a case to made for getting it covered under the extended warranty. The language they use in the claim document states,

The Engine Long Block warranty must cover the engine sub-assembly that
consists of the assembled block, crankshaft, cylinder head, camshaft, and valve train.
Which to me would by definition include anything assembled onto the block, including the oil pan.
 
#19 ·
In my opinion... yes... seems like a common issue.
The Indy dealer I bought the Treg from actually stood behind their 30 day power train warranty and fixed the leak. Their cost was $3000 Canadian. I don't imagine it would be covered under the emissions warranty. Interestingly... shortly after I bought the car the vacuum pump died, and VW replaced that under the emissions warranty since it through an EGR code.
 
#22 ·
1) So I would have to ask if this is a widespread, common issue with 2013-2014 Touareg TDI's ?


2) I wonder if this is something VW has addressed since this thread began back in 2014 ?


3) If so, what is the general consensus if this is should be or will be covered under VW warranty going forward ?
 
#23 ·
I got my 2014 this past August. The oil level display in the RNS showed full when I first got it, I think ive put on like 5k ish maybe a little more and its showing only 1 notch above the fill line and there is a very obvious oil spot in my driveway. I kinda just assumed that this would be covered by the extended warranty. It also seems that my Touareg also had an engine out service at one point too, I wonder if it was to fix an oil leak.

I really hope this is covered under the warranty.
 
#24 ·
Similar Issue on my 2014 Touareg tdi. Dealer spotted a leak coming from the timing cover and the oil pan. Originally, it was not going to be covered by the extended emissions warranty. But after several calls with VWoC and, the dealership the Settlement lawyers, it is fully covered. That being said, the dealer has had my touareg for over 3 weeks and I am getting impatient.
 
#33 ·
Hi, I know this is an old post, but by chance you see this, do you have the names of the lawyers who got this worked out for you? Do you know specifically what it was that lead to it getting covered?
 
#25 ·
I guess I'm another victim with this fault on a 2013 Touareg that I've just bought 2nd hand with 94,000 k's. It seems to be a very common problem that Audi even has a technical service bulletin on it. https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2016/SB-10081641-0699.pdf
Looks like it could be either main seal, fly wheel bolts or timing cover sealant.
Has there ever been any legal action taken over this problem?
 
#26 ·
Interesting and fortuitous - my Touareg is in the shop as we speak for exactly the same issue. Leak in the timing cover was fixed, but they didn't catch the leak in the oil pan gasket. They've had the car for 7 weeks, and I hope it returns home in a week or so.
 
#27 ·
Yes this is a problem well known to VW. When looking at a 2014 car a friend in the know at a dealership told me there was problem in the factory in 2013- 14 with the robot application of sealant to the sump before bolting to the bottom of the block. Evidently the guidance was off by 2-3mm causing leaks to develop. And yes it is a big job to fix. Engine out and about $15000+ AU for 2 weeks in the workshop. Happily my 2014 model wasn't affected, touch wood.🙋‍♂️
 
#30 ·
Thanks for the response. It was difficult to actually tell how much oil it used but the service engineer described it as a "catastrophic leak" (air filter was wet with oil). Car is in VW garage and engine has been stripped back
 
#32 ·
311.000km on the clock and developed a leak in front of the engine between block, upper oilpan and front seal cover. In adittion other leaks in the back at the upper timing covers. Timing already done so could be bad work, but there are so many sealing surfaces, that dont last long.