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What makes VW 507 oil so necessary?

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I can't help but to think, if our vehicles-3.0 TDI motors-are so special, so expensive and so exclusive, why do we need the magical VW 507 spec. oil? What is it in our motors that makes them so seemingly magical that they need this oil we can't just by at Vatozone, Advanced Auto, Walmart, etc. and have to pay about $10 a quart for?
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hi newbie here so the general conclusion is 507.00 for my v10 0r would this be only for v6?
also is there a bible on who manufactures the best 507.00
as only the best will do in my eyes
LOL sorry but search V10 oil and sit down for a few weeks reading.

and NO do not put 507 in your 03 V10
X2, no 507 for an early V10. Do your homework.
hi newbie here so the general conclusion is 507.00 for my v10 0r would this be only for v6?
also is there a bible on who manufactures the best 507.00
as only the best will do in my eyes
You will discover during your EXHAUSTIVE quest for the answer:
1) There is no consensus as to WHICH brand is BEST! Some brands are just not available in various parts of the world.
2) 507 rated oil is ONLY for engines with PD (PumpDeuse) AND DPF. It represents a compromise between wear protection for the cams and plugging (poisioning) of the DPF by the oil additives. If you don't have DPF do NOT use 507 rated oil. Your '03 does not have a DPF.
WHATEVER oil you decide to use please begin a program of used oil analysis (UOA). The laboratory results will help you decide if your oil is providing adequate protection.
2) 507 rated oil is ONLY for engines with PD (PumpDeuse) AND DPF.
To be clear, 507 00 oil is for common-rail engines AND PD with DPF. VW stopped using PD injectors in their engines in I think 2009 and onwards. You should ONLY use 507 00 in PD engines that have a DPF, but that's not the ONLY engine it should be used in.

For example, I have a 2010 T2 which uses a CR system and requires 507 00 spec.
I can't help but to think, if our vehicles-3.0 TDI motors-are so special, so expensive and so exclusive, why do we need the magical VW 507 spec. oil? What is it in our motors that makes them so seemingly magical that they need this oil we can't just by at Vatozone, Advanced Auto, Walmart, etc. and have to pay about $10 a quart for?
I use only: Fuchs TITAN GT1 PRO C-3

VW 504/507 approved. Great oil! I run it 6K miles. No issues.
For all, I noticed Pennzoil Euro LX do have the VW 507.00 specifications.
I did a lot of research like many of us did. This one is made from natural gas, so much cleaner for the based oil in order to add the synthetic ingredients after as part of the process to achieved the synthetic oil compared to other synthetic oil brand made from extraction of crude mineral oils where the process is more elaborated to achieved the synthetic level since the crude oil is less pure than the oil obtained from natural gas.

I saw on their website they offer also a good postal rebate until December 2016.

Pennzoil belongs to Shell, and many forums on Diesel Trucks I looked at have identified this one as a high quality oil based on high millage use and analysis.
Just passing a message here, if some think the one at dealers is the only one on the market the "real" best for our toy.

I am not trying to start a debate, I just want to inform our club members on other brands for the 507.00 spec.

If any are interested to learn on proper balance of zinc and phosphorous detergent in oil, which is also a part of the specific 507.00 requirement go and see the nice video from Mr. Lake Speed, Tribologist on DrivenRacingOil.com well known of NASCAR fans.
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Where do you buy the Euro LX from? I can only find the Euro L.


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I am in Canada, where it is available at Walmart fro example, etc...you better search a bit more on the web I think, I know that it went on shelf only last year for this Euro LX new specification for VW 507.00. Maybe ask directly customer service at Pennzoil. Best of luck for your research.
Dear 50v10 this thread will make you old, tired and grey like me
I found this useful when comparing the oil standards A1, C1, C4 etc. If you insist on understanding VW specificity of 507 in a OCD fashion like myself then I can understand the OPs post. A very helpful thread IMO!

Enjoy...



Source: http://www.opieoils.co.uk/c-789-acea.aspx


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Much as I normally respect Opie, and buy from them, that page is far from helpful - ACEA-C grades aren't specifically for diesels, they're "catalyst compatible" grades - ACEA-A grades are for petrol/gasoline and ACEA-B grades are for light-duty diesels but in reality the C grades are superceeding the A/B grades.

More useful is ACEA Engine Oil Specifications - oilspecifications.org

If you want some heavy reading try http://www.acea.be/uploads/publications/2012_ACEA_Oil_Sequences.pdf and http://www.acea.be/uploads/publicat...o_ACEA_Oil_Sequences_2012_(15_April_2016).pdf
So, in my six-month break from this thread it appears that no one has discovered what is the "secret" to the VW 507 00 diesel engine oil that our engines require.

Oh well, yesterday I dropped by my VW dealer (who is only 12 miles away) and bought of quart of their TDI oil. For US$ 8.00 (plus tax), they sold me a quart of Castrol Edge Professional "full synthetic" SAE 5W-30 LL03 (apparently made by BP Lubricants in the USA), that is marked with approvals "VW 504 00/507 00; ACEA C3" (and no other approvals). For $8.00/quart and ready, nearby supply, I don't think I need to work this issue any more.

I may use my remaining VW diesel cards to pick up a couple of cases. :smile2:
I don't think anybody was really researching it. Lol


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I don't think anybody was really researching it. Lol
Well, for awhile they were really researching it, apparently to deal with the issue that you cannot just walk into most auto parts stores or big box stores and buy 507 00 oil (at least in the U.S.). But apparently no one has been able to crack the 507 00 code. The good news is you can walk into your nearest VW dealer and buy 507 00 oil at a reasonable price. Well, that's good news if you have a VW dealer nearby (as I do).
Well, for awhile they were really researching it, apparently to deal with the issue that you cannot just walk into most auto parts stores or big box stores and buy 507 00 oil (at least in the U.S.). But apparently no one has been able to crack the 507 00 code. The good news is you can walk into your nearest VW dealer and buy 507 00 oil at a reasonable price. Well, that's good news if you have a VW dealer nearby (as I do).
It's not necessary for owners to "crack" the code.

I feel sure that any of the global oil companies can ask VW for the requirements of 507.00, have their oil chemists create an oil meeting that requirement and then have it certified by VW as meeting that requirement which they can market with the "coveted" 507.00 approval.

That's what the global oil companies do in other markets, many of those oil companies being US-owned.

In the UK, I can go into Asda (owned by Walmart from the US) and buy Castrol 507.00 for no more than a 5W-30 ACEA-C3 without VW approval - I can use Opie Oil mail order and get 507.00 by Mobil, Amsoil, Red Line and Valvoline - all of which are US companies.

Perhaps you should ask those last four brands why their 507.00 isn't readily available in the US?
Perhaps you should ask those last four brands why their 507.00 isn't readily available in the US?
I think that's an easy answer - because diesel VWs and Audis are actually quite rare here, as are diesel passenger cars in general, despite the big deal our government has made about Dieselgate. That, and most motor oil is produced and consumed regionally.

VW had Well under 1 million diesel vehicles sold across seven model years in a country with over 250 million vehicles on the road. Why bother with such a low on the road population?

You can actually find MB Bluetec spec oil on the shelves at most major auto parts stores, and they sold even fewer here than VAG did. I wonder why that is?
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It's not necessary for owners to "crack" the code.
It is if 507 00 oil is not readily available, and you want to find a suitable substitute.

I feel sure that any of the global oil companies can ask VW for the requirements of 507.00, have their oil chemists create an oil meeting that requirement and then have it certified by VW as meeting that requirement which they can market with the "coveted" 507.00 approval.
I'm sure that's true. But no one here is looking to MAKE 507 00 oil. They're looking to BUY 507 00 oil, or a suitable substitute.

In the UK, I can go into Asda (owned by Walmart from the US) and buy Castrol 507.00 for no more than a 5W-30 ACEA-C3 without VW approval - I can use Opie Oil mail order and get 507.00 by Mobil, Amsoil, Red Line and Valvoline - all of which are US companies.
Of course the (still) unanswered question is whether 5W-30 ACEA C3 oil WITHOUT VW's 507 00 approval is really the same as 5W-30 ACEA C3 oil WITH VW's 507 00 approval?

Perhaps you should ask those last four brands why their 507.00 isn't readily available in the US?
That would be interesting to know, but is ultimately irrelevant since their 507 00 oils are currently NOT readily available in the U.S.
I think that's an easy answer - because diesel VWs and Audis are actually quite rare here, as are diesel passenger cars in general, despite the big deal our government has made about Dieselgate. That, and most motor oil is produced and consumed regionally.
That's probably the answer. As I noted, the Castrol 507 00 oil says that it is made by BP Lubricants IN the USA (from domestic and imported components).

You can actually find MB Bluetec spec oil on the shelves at most major auto parts stores, and they sold even fewer here than VAG did. I wonder why that is?
One possible explanation is that the MB Bluetec oil spec is satisfied by an existing oil formulation that has broader applicability, but the VW 507 00 oil spec has something different about it that is NOT satisfied by a broader applicability formulation.
Of course the (still) unanswered question is whether 5W-30 ACEA C3 oil WITHOUT VW's 507 00 approval is really the same as 5W-30 ACEA C3 oil WITH VW's 507 00 approval?
I'd suggest they aren't the same - as in the UK we have available 5W-30 ACEA-C3 without VW 507.00 and often from the same brand, a 5W-30 ACEA-C3 with VW 507.00 approval.

I'd also suggest that the reason is that oil requirements are banded to get their rating - in a laboratory two oils might be 3W-27 and 7W-33 but both marketed as 5W-30 - the qualities required for ACEA ratings are equally banded - the VW 507.00 bands may be tighter than the API viscosity rating band or ACEA grade band.

You've probably seen the specification for ACEA C3-12, the latest specification, https://www.infineum.com/media/16389/acea-2012-oil-sequences.pdf but VW 507.00 may be tighter than that.
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