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V10 no start when hot

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So I'm almost able to drive my 2006 V10 after a year, but I cannot get the engine to start after the coolant gets up to temp. When the engine is cold, or slightly warm, I can kill it and it will start right back up. When it's up to temp, if I kill it and immediately try to restart, it just cranks. I'm reaching the end of my ideas to figure this out. Here is what I've done so far to try to change this:

Fresh fuel
Removed and cleaned fuel pumps/filters, new fuel filter
Hardwired fuel pump to run continuously
Added jumper cables to another running engine to add starting power
Released pressure in coolant system
Opened PCV to atmosphere
Removed coolant temp connector
Removed coolant return temp connector
Opened ECU to check for corrosion: appears all intact, no areas of damage or corrosion
Checked all fuses and relays

Currently, cam position sensor is still reading "signal out of range", so signal return wire has been removed from ECU wire harness. This leaves "no signal" fault.
Also, Steering Angle sensor is not working despite all wires being intact and voltages present, leading to steering and steering wheel electronics faults.
Batteries and related grounds are in good condition, with batteries being kept on a charger/tender.
I'm also posting before and after scans of the hot no-start, as well as video of it cranking while hot.
If I can solve this, I'll finally be able to drive this beast on a regular basis.
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Agree cranking RPM appears way too low.

There was also a famous failure in the early TDI days (unsure if it impacted v10)... Trying to remember the darn component name. Ah yes, relay 109. Does the v10 have one?
Agree cranking RPM appears way too low.

There was also a famous failure in the early TDI days (unsure if it impacted v10)... Trying to remember the farm component name. Ah yes, relay 109. Does the v10 have one?
I searched the wiring diagram for “109” no relay came up, just footwell flap motor.
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I stand by cranking way too slow then
I searched the wiring diagram for “109” no relay came up, just footwell flap motor.
Professor, you keep getting the codes 012545 and 012546 intake flap valve motor problems, you don’t suppose they are stuck closed when hot? Or perhaps the ECM needs to know they are open before it fires the injectors. Random thoughts, not to well organized! Best of luck Prof
That sounds like the classic Crankshaft position sensor failure
I just went through this whole thread again as there's a lot of flaky info in it.
I don't even know how both you and the OP have gone to the Crank sensor, when the codes are for the CAMSHAFT
scan said:
012295 - Camshaft Position Sensor (G40)
P3007 - 000 - No Signal
What am I missing?
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That could definitely do it too soot
Anyways, now that I'm actually reading the scan and not following random stuff, the G40 sensor won't cause you to not start. The signal from the G28 is used instead..... G40 loss will cause longer crank until start, but will not impede starting.
Professor, you keep getting the codes 012545 and 012546 intake flap valve motor problems, you don’t suppose they are stuck closed when hot? Or perhaps the ECM needs to know they are open before it fires the injectors. Random thoughts, not to well organized! Best of luck Prof
Very unlikely as the intake flaps are mainly used for regulating intake\exhaust pressure difference required for proper EGR function.
Professor, you keep getting the codes 012545 and 012546 intake flap valve motor problems, you don’t suppose they are stuck closed when hot? Or perhaps the ECM needs to know they are open before it fires the injectors. Random thoughts, not to well organized! Best of luck Prof
I get where you are coming from. From what I can see, they are open. I’ve tried to push them to close and the motor is active and holding them open.
Have you done voltage drop tests on the starting system? You could just have a crappy wire\connection that flakes out once it gets hot.
There was also a famous failure in the early TDI days (unsure if it impacted v10)... Trying to remember the darn component name. Ah yes, relay 109. Does the v10 have one?
The power supply replay is a thing on small 4 banger TDIs.... not for this beast!
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The power supply replay is a thing on small 4 banger TDIs.... not for this beast!
I wasn't sure. Was shooting in the dark.
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I just went through this whole thread again as there's a lot of flaky info in it.
I don't even know how both you and the OP have gone to the Crank sensor, when the codes are for the CAMSHAFT


What am I missing?
You should work on your reading comprehension then.

I mentioned that Crankshaft sensors often fail when hot without throwing a code.

This is not just a VAG problem. I have read about the same issue with Ford, Chrysler, GMC, Honda, etc etc.

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So what's he getting his hot rpm readings from? The same failed hot sensor?
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So what's he getting his hot rpm readings from? The same failed hot sensor?
So I postulated about a possible issue right near the beginning of this whole thread, well before the OP had even tried to log his RPM. All the information that was available from a VCDS scan with time stamped codes.

You then play Captain 20/20 hindsight and dredge my post up way down the thread, well after the OP has now provided logged RPM values and claim I am throwing out misinformation.

So once again, you need to work on your reading comprehension and context. If I had a crystal ball back at the start, he would have it fixed now.

At no point later in the thread did I say it was a crankshaft sensor there Turbo.





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Easy you guys, let’s all keep our heads above bickering, and realize we are all on this together. I think Treg owners have helped each other more than any dealership or VW engineers.
That said, I will not consider the crank position sensor unless a replacement starter doesn’t solve this. I appreciate everyone’s input. Thank you.
For now, a replacement starter is on the back burner until I take care of some other “around the house” things and save up to do a few things when the engine is out again.
Before a new starter, look into the cable/wiring. Voltage drop test the system. Some bad connections will heat up and fail or become flaky after initial use (aka initial start)
Before a new starter, look into the cable/wiring. Voltage drop test the system. Some bad connections will heat up and fail or become flaky after initial use (aka initial start)
Sorry Savage, I didn’t recall reading this last post. I did replace the starter. New (used) starter seemed stronger and spun faster on the bench so I put it in. Ive had better starts, but still won’t start when fully hot. I wish I would have remembered this. Gotta check the voltage drop at the starter B+ connection next.
20+ year old wires tend to rott and need replacing or at the very least connectors/terminals need cleaning up. You'd be shocked how often voltage drop is a thing.
20+ year old wires tend to rott and need replacing or at the very least connectors/terminals need cleaning up. You'd be shocked how often voltage drop is a thing.
It’s too bad the main starter + wire isn’t made anymore. If it needs replaced, buy a used one and hope for the best? Or is it possible to make a new one and use all the old brackets?
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