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Okay here is the question - we have 2 x Touaregs.
on the Tyre placard, located on the B-Pillar inside the Drivers door
Our 2012 has a Tyre speed rating of 'H' (max 210km/h)
Our 2015 has a Tyre speed rating of 'V' (max 240km/h)
now essentially they are the same car however because the manufacturer has designated different speed ratings, it mean the tyre choice for the 2015 is dramatically limited.
On our 2012 we have Pirelli Scorpion AT Plus which are 'H' rating
However for the 2015, I cannot find an A/T tyre that will fit a 20 inch rim either a 275/45 or 265/50 with a speed rating 'V'

Has anyone written to VW and asked them the question - why???
 

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Okay here is the question - we have 2 x Touaregs.
on the Tyre placard, located on the B-Pillar inside the Drivers door
Our 2012 has a Tyre speed rating of 'H' (max 210km/h)
Our 2015 has a Tyre speed rating of 'V' (max 240km/h)
now essentially they are the same car however because the manufacturer has designated different speed ratings, it mean the tyre choice for the 2015 is dramatically limited.
On our 2012 we have Pirelli Scorpion AT Plus which are 'H' rating
However for the 2015, I cannot find an A/T tyre that will fit a 20 inch rim either a 275/45 or 265/50 with a speed rating 'V'

Has anyone written to VW and asked them the question - why???
I’ve never written to VW because of speed rating if a tyre!
What speed are you doing? If you are going up to 240 kph then definitely get the higher speed rating… if not then H rating is more than enough!
All has to do with sidewalk thickness, thinner sidewall, dissipates more heat generated at that speed, hence the speed rating,
If you only travel at speeds nearly half of the rating you could go with S rating and it would suffice . I think load rating is a more relevant thing to watch for !
 

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I’ve never written to VW because of speed rating if a tyre!
What speed are you doing? If you are going up to 240 kph then definitely get the higher speed rating… if not then H rating is more than enough!
All has to do with sidewalk thickness, thinner sidewall, dissipates more heat generated at that speed, hence the speed rating,
If you only travel at speeds nearly half of the rating you could go with S rating and it would suffice . I think load rating is a more relevant thing to watch for !
Thats all good unless you have an accident - if you have the wrong speed rating on your tyre - your insurance company can claim contributory negligence and heavily reduce (or even refuse) your claim
 

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I believe it has to do with the top speed of the motor. If it’s variable of higher top speed then VW is going to cover themselves by making sure they post correct tire specs in the event someone maximizes that top speed. Not sure what those specs are but we are talking about two different motors. CATA 2012 vs CNRB 2015. As for insurance. That may be the factor but one would think that the top speed would have had to been surpassed in order for them to claim negligence. But they do seem to rule the world. So who knows. Technically it should be an issue as long as those speeds are not exceeded. But ‘the man’ may not see it that way.
 

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Thats all good unless you have an accident - if you have the wrong speed rating on your tyre - your insurance company can claim contributory negligence and heavily reduce (or even refuse) your claim
Wouldn't they have to prove that the reduced speed rating contributed to the accident? Since an H rated tire is good for up to 130mph, arguing that would only make sense if you were exceeding that speed at the time of the accident, and they could prove it. In which case the choice of tires would hardly be a significant factor in making the case for negligence.

I ended up going with H rated tires in a slightly narrower and taller size than OEM, because they were a fraction of the price for the exact OEM tires. The 275/45R19 OEM size for 19" wheels on my T2 Touareg seems to be an extremely rare and expensive size that is fairly unique to the Touareg, and only comes in a V rating. Interestingly, as Trek showed above, it seems VW switched to the cheaper and more common 265/50R19 size on the T3.
 

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You have a national speed limit of 110 kph / 68 mph.
Except for the Northern Territory. 130 km/h.
It use to be unlimited up to a few years ago.

In Australia you have a legal responsibility to fit replacement tyres with the same or higher load and speed rating stated on your tyre placard. To fit under that limitation is an illegal modification without an engineering certificate and can be grounds for refusal of any insurance cover if they want to be cocky.
 

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Using a V rated tyres implies your planning to drive above the speed limit ..... perhaps the police will start prosecuting for that :D
It doesn't mean you're planning that - it means you've fitted tyres to match the car's design speed - you might be planning to use high speed on a private track, it that illegal?
 

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Okay here is the question - we have 2 x Touaregs.
on the Tyre placard, located on the B-Pillar inside the Drivers door
Our 2012 has a Tyre speed rating of 'H' (max 210km/h)
Our 2015 has a Tyre speed rating of 'V' (max 240km/h)
now essentially they are the same car however because the manufacturer has designated different speed ratings, it mean the tyre choice for the 2015 is dramatically limited.
On our 2012 we have Pirelli Scorpion AT Plus which are 'H' rating
However for the 2015, I cannot find an A/T tyre that will fit a 20 inch rim either a 275/45 or 265/50 with a speed rating 'V'

Has anyone written to VW and asked them the question - why???
Could be explained if your 2012 is a 150TDI.
The 150TDI had a top speed of 206km/h compared to 220km/h for the V6TDI.
I have a 2011 V6TDI. It came fitted with 'V' rated tyres and has a tyre placard identical to that on your 2015 Touareg.
 

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Could be explained if your 2012 is a 150TDI.
The 150TDI had a top speed of 206km/h compared to 220km/h for the V6TDI.
I have a 2011 V6TDI. It came fitted with 'V' rated tyres and has a tyre placard identical to that on your 2015 Touareg.
Yes you are correct - the 2012 is 150TDI and the 2015 is V6TDI - so what you are saying would make sense - thanks, I hadn't thought of that aspect of it - very annoying when looking for new tyres :)
 

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Had this situation when a major Gold Coast dealer sold my daughter an Audi Q7 with aftermarket 21" rims. When she went to replace the tyres discovered that there were none available for 21" that complied with both weight and speed rating.

I went back to the dealer and threatened to take them to court for selling an unroadworthy vehicle as the tyres on it obviously didn't comply, and suggested that they supply a complete set of OEM sports rims and tyres if they wanted to avoid prosecution.

They went to the Dept of Transport and got a ruling that as long as the new tyres complied with the load rating and had (from memory) a speed rating over 160k, that this would be accepatable as there is nowhere in Oz that you travel at that speed legally on public roads.

They did come to the party with new tyres, and a balance and alignment, as apparently the DOT informally suggested they had (prior to that ruling) sold an unroadworthy vehicle and it would be in their best interests to keep me happy.

Suggest that you try it on with your state DOT, see if they can supply a similar ruling.
 

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OK. for 4 wheel drive vehicles there is an exemption. It just so happens that Touaregs are listed as MC. Off road Passenger rated.
see the links below.



I researched all this when I put Cooper Zeon tyres on my R50 to go bush and for towing a large boat.
as long as the off road tyre has a speed rating of 180kmh ( in my case) you are ok.

This is the out clause for off road tyres


However, this is an exemption. In a very rare moment of collective intelligence, the Australian road authorities have said this:

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Source : https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/s..._LS_Tyres_Suspension_Steering_Nov_2015_v4.pdf
So, all you need is tyre rated for N (140km/h) for your 4×4, which is pretty slow so all but the most extreme tyres will be compliant.


Now “special features for offroad use” is a bit subjective, but the definitive answer is that the vehicle is classified as MC, i.e.:


4.3.3. OFF-ROAD PASSENGER VEHICLE (MC)


A passenger vehicle having up to 9 seating positions, including that of the driver and being designed with special features for off-road operation. A vehicle with special features for off-road operation is a vehicle that:


(a) Unless otherwise ‘Approved‘ has 4 wheel drive; and


(b) has at least 4 of the following 5 characteristics calculated when the vehicle is at its ‘Unladen Mass‘ on a level surface, with the front wheels parallel to the vehicle’s longitudinal centreline, and the tyres inflated to the ‘Manufacturer‘s’ recommended pressure:


(i) ‘Approach Angle‘ of not less than 28 degrees;


(ii) ‘Breakover Angle‘ of not less than 14 degrees;


(iii) ‘Departure Angle‘ of not less than 20 degrees;


(iv) ‘Running Clearance‘ of not less than 200 mm;


(v) ‘Front Axle Clearance‘, ‘Rear Axle Clearance‘ or ‘Suspension Clearance‘ of not less than 175 mm each.


Alternatively, a vehicle that meets the definition of CATEGORY G – OFF-ROAD VEHICLES under Consolidated Resolution on the Construction of Vehicles (R.E.3) of the United Nations Economic Commission for Europe and is in category M1.



Source: https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2012C00326


I think it could be easily argued that low range, cross-axle or centre differential locks etc are also Offroad Features.


So, bottom line is that if you have a 4X4 in Australia, you need fit only N speed rated tyres, and match or exceed the load rating. That shouldn’t restrict your offroad tyre choice to any significant degree, so you can go fit suitable rubber for your travels.


If you want to know more about tyre sizes, then you can use my tyre calculators, and watch the videos below:
 

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OK. for 4 wheel drive vehicles there is an exemption. It just so happens that Touaregs are listed as MC. Off road Passenger rated.
see the links below.
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IBrad, that is brilliant, thanks so much for providing this - this is exactly what i was looking for and it certainly make a lot more sense given our speed limits. I was thinking it would be bizarre for so many 4WD out there having aftermarket tyres that dont comply. Interesting when i rang my insurance company they knew nothing about it (not surprising).

This opens up the tyre choice dramatically to something like the WILDPEAK AT3W instead of just road tyres

thanks again :)
 

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IBrad, that is brilliant, thanks so much for providing this - this is exactly what i was looking for and it certainly make a lot more sense given our speed limits. I was thinking it would be bizarre for so many 4WD out there having aftermarket tyres that dont comply. Interesting when i rang my insurance company they knew nothing about it (not surprising).

This opens up the tyre choice dramatically to something like the WILDPEAK AT3W instead of just road tyres

thanks again :)
Trek6006
Glad this has helped you out.
put some dirt diggers on and go out and find out just how good these things are in the bush.
cheers
Ian
 
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