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Well, my--up to this point relatively trouble free--2011 T3 Tdi just blew a Turbo shaft seal and the whole Turbo has to be replaced along with a sensor and a bunch of hoses that got sprayed with oil when the seal blew. This just a week after fixing an intake hose leak. Looking at a $3700 bill for everything at the dealer. Of course this happened at 114K after my 100K warranty expired. Ouch. 80-90% highway miles, lots of hills. Maybe that did it.

Too bad they haven't announced a T3 buyback yet or I'd just leave it at the dealer. Still, I can't figure out any other car I'd want to drive (and can afford) more than my T3, so I'm paying the man. Now that I'm investing in the car again, I sure hope the T3 emissions fix doesn't wreck the car to the point where I'll want to sell it back to VW.

There probably aren't a ton of T3's with more mileage than mine. Any other turbo surprises out there?
 

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Mine had a turbo at 88k. Cost previous owner £1800 at VW. I'm sure you could get it done fir half that price if you took it to a vw specialist or decent garage.

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Seems like there have been a few failures, but certainly not many. You can rebuild a turbo. Not sure how the oil leak ended up ruining a bunch of hoses.
 

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Seems like there have been a few failures, but certainly not many. You can rebuild a turbo. Not sure how the oil leak ended up ruining a bunch of hoses.
Some hoses rubber breaks down after time if exposed to oil.
 

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Well, my--up to this point relatively trouble free--2011 T3 Tdi just blew a Turbo shaft seal and the whole Turbo has to be replaced along with a sensor and a bunch of hoses that got sprayed with oil when the seal blew. This just a week after fixing an intake hose leak. Looking at a $3700 bill for everything at the dealer. Of course this happened at 114K after my 100K warranty expired. Ouch. 80-90% highway miles, lots of hills. Maybe that did it.

Too bad they haven't announced a T3 buyback yet or I'd just leave it at the dealer. Still, I can't figure out any other car I'd want to drive (and can afford) more than my T3, so I'm paying the man. Now that I'm investing in the car again, I sure hope the T3 emissions fix doesn't wreck the car to the point where I'll want to sell it back to VW.

There probably aren't a ton of T3's with more mileage than mine. Any other turbo surprises out there?

My 2011 has almost 130K with no turbo issues. Any warning signs of if failing? I would definitely not have this done at the dealer if mine fails...
 

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Yes I have enjoyed the car, and except for this little disaster, I still do. Still love the way it drives, feels, etc., but right now I'm just a wee bit peeved at her. I'm sure we'll make up over a nice long drive in the country and a fine chianti.

Only warning signs were glow plug light then engine light. intake hose went a few weeks before, so not sure if that contributed to it. Didn't hear anything odd, and power seemed about the same.

I am checking with other repair places and so far the quotes are not much better, especially when considering 5-6 days of free Tiguan loaner. There doesn't seem to be any rebuild kits out there, though online prices for the OEM replacement are a bit cheaper than the dealer price as you'd expect. Then again, this is the DC area, and even the independent shops are expensive. I'll keep looking and see if I can do a little better, but so far no luck.
 

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Well, my--up to this point relatively trouble free--2011 T3 Tdi just blew a Turbo shaft seal and the whole Turbo has to be replaced along with a sensor and a bunch of hoses that got sprayed with oil when the seal blew. snip
Sounds like a rip-off. The intake hoses, pipes and plumbing are DESIGNED to handle oil, even hot oil. It is VERY common for turbo's to leak some oil around the bearings (and the bearings ARE the seals). This small amount of leakage is normal and in fact is essential to assure the bearings are adequately lubricated. It is not unusual to find a quart or so of accumulated lube oil in the charge air plumbing going to the inter-cooler (depending on where the low point is).
 

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Well, they had it open two weeks ago and said it didn't look anything like it does now, so they're saying it's not just normal seepage. They said this is definitely a blown turbo and can't be rebuilt. I'll ask about the seals and hoses again, but they said they need to be replaced, and seeing as one of the inlet hoses was bad two weeks ago, it sort of makes sense. Got another estimate from an independent for $500 to maybe $800 less, but that's just an estimate, and it's still over $2500. The independent did say there might be a rebuild option, but they'd have to look at it. I may be in to the dealer enough for the inspection and breakdown that it's not worth taking it back out now.
 

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To be clear, I didn't say what you have is normal 'seepage'. Seepage is normal though. If you blew a bearing (remember there are not usually separate seals, just the new, tight bearing) you can get a lot of oil. No amount of oil should create damage to the hoses though, they are designed to handle it. That is not to say the hoses are really OK to reuse - I don't know that - but the oil alone didn't make them go bad.
 

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Intake hose went a few weeks ago? What caused that to fail? That would certainly concern me as a potential cause. If that hose came apart and you had crap running through your turbo, well.
 

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Intake hose went a few weeks ago? What caused that to fail? That would certainly concern me as a potential cause. If that hose came apart and you had crap running through your turbo, well.
That what I was thinking. Or some other foreign material got in there when the hose was replaced. Maybe do an autopsy on the bad turbo.
 

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I was told that the output hoses aren't supposed to get any oil, and there was so much that they've got to be replaced. Ended up keeping it at the dealer because the prices didn't look that different anywhere else. The mass flow sensor, hoses, and turbo all being replaced. Sure hope I want to keep this car after they figure out the T3 EPA fix.
 

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You will get oil and water in your charge hoses on a perfectly maintained TDI.

Anyhow,

Have you owned the vehicle since new?
At what mileage did you get it?
The intake hose going before could have contributed to it. Who knows. The seal that blew is on the exhaust side, spewing oil into the exhaust hoses. Not good. At least the turbo didn't grenade or anything and kill the entire engine.

I've owned the car since brand new. Had a few sensors go as well as the adblue heater, but all covered under 100K warranty and otherwise pretty much trouble free save the one fuel freeze incident last winter. Probably broke even on the warranty over the years. Too bad this didn't happen 14K miles ago though.

The real bummer is if VW comes out with a buyback plan for the older T3 engines like it sounds like they might. Now that I've dropped this coin back into the car, I'd prefer to keep it, so I really hope the fix doesn't alter the performance. I just can't see any other car out there that I'd want instead, but I don't want to keep it if the fix ruins the car.
 

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The turbo on my 2012 TDI blew at around 14k so luckily for me it was covered under warranty. About 2 weeks after that when I was about an hour and a half out of LA, the HPFP blew sending metal shavings through the fuel system. And I don't drive my Touareg's hard at all. Needless to say I was not pleased being stuck in LA for 2 weeks while they repaired it, but luckily I was going to see my sister and can work remotely so my boss understood. I made VW cover the towing outside the "nearest dealer" since there was a dealer a few blocks from my sisters house, and cover 1-2 car payments for my inconvenience.


For the HPFP repair the parts alone were $10K. I am sure that whole repair cost them like $15k. And I am guessing the whole turbo deal was $2,500 - 3,500.


Before I went out of warranty on the 2012, I got my 2016 TDI Lux 2 weeks before the stop sale......lol! Guess I am a glutton for punishment.
 

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Wow, turbo at 14K! Definitely a serious manufacturer's defect. The HPFP gives me nightmares just thinking about it, but I think those are covered to 120K under the manufacturer's warranty, so I'm still under the umbrella for now. Sounds like a serious lemon you got there. I might have to think twice if they offer a buyback. HPFP going out of warranty would be total disaster. I wonder how many other pumps have gone on TReg's.
 

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Well, my--up to this point relatively trouble free--2011 T3 Tdi just blew a Turbo shaft seal and the whole Turbo has to be replaced along with a sensor and a bunch of hoses that got sprayed with oil when the seal blew. This just a week after fixing an intake hose leak. Looking at a $3700 bill for everything at the dealer. Of course this happened at 114K after my 100K warranty expired. Ouch. 80-90% highway miles, lots of hills. Maybe that did it.

Too bad they haven't announced a T3 buyback yet or I'd just leave it at the dealer. Still, I can't figure out any other car I'd want to drive (and can afford) more than my T3, so I'm paying the man. Now that I'm investing in the car again, I sure hope the T3 emissions fix doesn't wreck the car to the point where I'll want to sell it back to VW.

There probably aren't a ton of T3's with more mileage than mine. Any other turbo surprises out there?
Wow, turbo at 14K! Definitely a serious manufacturer's defect. The HPFP gives me nightmares just thinking about it, but I think those are covered to 120K under the manufacturer's warranty, so I'm still under the umbrella for now. Sounds like a serious lemon you got there. I might have to think twice if they offer a buyback. HPFP going out of warranty would be total disaster. I wonder how many other pumps have gone on TReg's.

The HPFP is a known issue, while it was not rampant it was common enough that VW very aware of it and I think some Touareg's might have had new updated HPFP's added before going on sale and others might have been covered under warranty. I think there is some discussion about it on this website or on the web. Because of those major issues I did not want them to fail again or something else happen so I got my 2016 with a 100k warranty this time.
 

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The intake hose going before could have contributed to it. Who knows. The seal that blew is on the exhaust side, spewing oil into the exhaust hoses. Not good. At least the turbo didn't grenade or anything and kill the entire engine.

I've owned the car since brand new. Had a few sensors go as well as the adblue heater, but all covered under 100K warranty and otherwise pretty much trouble free save the one fuel freeze incident last winter. Probably broke even on the warranty over the years. Too bad this didn't happen 14K miles ago though.

The real bummer is if VW comes out with a buyback plan for the older T3 engines like it sounds like they might. Now that I've dropped this coin back into the car, I'd prefer to keep it, so I really hope the fix doesn't alter the performance. I just can't see any other car out there that I'd want instead, but I don't want to keep it if the fix ruins the car.

VW and CARB been struggling on the fix for the 3.0l TDI. I thinkk 3 rejects so far. So soon they will have no option but to give the buy back option. :surprise:
 
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