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Hello guys. I own a 2013 V6 TDI, which has gathered quite a few kilometers and I'm about to gift it to my mom. And that means I need a new car!
I have been looking at 2 models now: S350 and Cayenne Diesel, both from 2015. I know these are kind of different.
Do you think the upgrade to a 2015 Cayenne Diesel (so the facelift of the Cayenne that looked exactly like a T3 from the side) would be nice?
What I really appreciated about the T3 was that it was really comfortable. But I'm a bit angrier than the average Touareg driver, and I hate how heavy the front was and the front wheels would quit in every damn corner when I decided it was time for fun. Interior quality was also, in my opinion, not adequate for that price.
Is the Cayenne (with air suspension) a bit better around corners(not going to take it to the track, just some fun) ? And what about interior quality? It surely looks nice. I don't NEED an SUV, just AWD. But I love the looks of the Cayenne.
Would you buy an S class or a Cayenne (SUV bonuses are not necessary) coming from a T3? Curiously, the examples I liked are very similary priced. Not an intelligent comparison, but it has to be comfortable, large and sort of stable on its feet, and also look better than a 7 series, which is not difficult.
 

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The 2004 T1 started life looking like the inside of Audi and driving Porsche light. Every single year the VAG bean counters tried to cut the cost of the VW variant. Yes, I am giving the stink eye to Wintercorn as I say this. The current mess imo is his personal mess.

By the time we get to the T3, there is no comparison. VW had cut every corner leaving it looking very poor on the inside compared to the 2004. Among other things, VW had also put on much smaller suspension components to save costs. A popular upgrade was to get the Cayenne Sway Bars and move them over to the Touareg.

At this point in time, many VW dealers are incapable of fixing Touaregs while the Porsche guys provide excellent service. VW parts markups are done very differently from Porsche, so sometimes parts actually cost more at the VW dealership.

Not much you can do with the heavy TDI engine, but the front end can be set up better to handle the weight. I think a test drive will prove the Cayenne drives better.

tldr: From your VW complaints, you will LOVE a Cayenne. Test drive one.
 

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Could not agree with you more.
Only negative is (and its a major one) the cost! You start with a base Cayenne and its comparable with the Touareg, then you add middle of the road options and its almost double the price!! This is why I went with the Touareg and not the Cayenne. Only 3 different packages available in NA for the Touareg and the price is favourable. Exactly the same options on the Cayenne and you are over $100k! (same Bosch modules running the 2 different cars)!!

Now that the Touareg is not marketed in Canada anymore :(
(don’t get me started on the Atlas), I too will head to the Cayenne in a few years, if its still available.
 

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I am not sure where you are located, but in the US there were other “fun” awd diesel options: A6 Quattro TDI and the 535xD. Maybe worth considering if you don’t need the SUV. There is a car and river comparison of the diesel SUVs online. I think it was 2013. Toureg won. Porsche came second. Bmw dead last. The Porsche drove the best.
 

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The 2004 T1 started life looking like the inside of Audi and driving Porsche light. Every single year the VAG bean counters tried to cut the cost of the VW variant. Yes, I am giving the stink eye to Wintercorn as I say this. The current mess imo is his personal mess.

By the time we get to the T3, there is no comparison. VW had cut every corner leaving it looking very poor on the inside compared to the 2004. Among other things, VW had also put on much smaller suspension components to save costs. A popular upgrade was to get the Cayenne Sway Bars and move them over to the Touareg.

At this point in time, many VW dealers are incapable of fixing Touaregs while the Porsche guys provide excellent service. VW parts markups are done very differently from Porsche, so sometimes parts actually cost more at the VW dealership.

Not much you can do with the heavy TDI engine, but the front end can be set up better to handle the weight. I think a test drive will prove the Cayenne drives better.

tldr: From your VW complaints, you will LOVE a Cayenne. Test drive one.
Do you reckon that the Cayenne doesnt let water into its airbox for no apparent reason? If so I may trade my toereg in for one.

I had to contribute my own personal discovery in the airbox of my 2015 TDI Sport a moment ago over in the Engine forum.
 

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The Cayenne are better in every way, and you see that in the price
 

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I have both T-Reg and Cayenne. T-reg is fully loaded with V8 Tdi, air and stuff. Cayenne has 70000 eur extras, but only a 3.0 Tdi and no air. When going for a longer trip, I take VW every time.

What I'm trying to say, is that it all boils down to the bells and whistles. And power...
 

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Before I bought my 16’ touareg TDI.. I test drove a 16’ TDI.. then a month later I test drove 15’ cayanne TDI and a 15’ q5 TDI. I was not impressed with the cayanne. But I feel like something was wrong with it. It was so laggy and then a huge rush of boost. It was awful. Never experienced that with my Touareg. Maybe a little lag at times but nothing bad. I will say. If you want a suv and a lighter feel.. that Q5 felt way lighter and had a really smooth transmission. I think it’s a nice happy medium if you don’t need the extra tow capacity or space. It’s much sportier. Didn’t notice any lag in it either. I thought the cayanne diesel felt just as heavy in the front as the Touareg bit I was pretty tore up about it’s throttle response so I may have been a bit skewed.
 

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The Cayenne probably had poor transmission learning. After you would have theoretically bought it and drove it around some it would have relearned your driving and driven much better
 

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Yea could have been. Although I was told that the customer that traded it was a diesel fanatic and traded for a Merc Diesel.. so I would think he would have known what was up.. but who knows. I would not have chances it unless I knew it was a throttle situation. That being said.. with the terrible customer service I have received from VW.. I think I would have been better off with a Porsche or audi.
 

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Could also be the fact that its been at a dealership and 100 different people have driven it in different ways.. loaded onto a truck, unloaded, test drives, the mechanics etc etc. Its probably got the programming for 100 different people in it. This has been my experience w/ buying a few cars off of the dealer lot including my Touareg. After several weeks (or a forced tranny re-learn procedure) the shifting adapts to me and I have zero complaints :cool:
 

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Yea could be. I felt there was more to it though than the throttle memory.. but looking back I wish I had pursued a Porsche a bit more.. not cause of the vehicle but more because I think the service and warranty experience would have been much better. That said. They are all very nice machines. Ashamed they are not backed up properly.
 
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