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Slightly shudders when turning right on slow speed

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Guys, I have 2011 Treg TDI with 152k miles. All is ok but I started noticing slight shuddering when turning wheel right like 10-15°. It's like a split second and then it's gone. Sometimes I can't even reproduce it because it's happening on slow speed only, like 10-15mph, and at specific wheel angle.
Hydraulic fluid changed, new rotors and pads. No errors. I don't want to think it's steering rack or differential since price for those things. So, if someone has or had similar issue I'd be happy to hear from you.

Thanks!
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Guys, I have 2011 Treg TDI with 152k miles. All is ok but I started noticing slight shuddering when turning wheel right like 10-15°. It's like a split second and then it's gone. Sometimes I can't even reproduce it because it's happening on slow speed only, like 10-15mph, and at specific wheel angle.
Hydraulic fluid changed, new rotors and pads. No errors. I don't want to think it's steering rack or differential since price for those things. So, if someone has or had similar issue I'd be happy to hear from you.

Thanks!
I had a Similar issue
I picked up the correct power steering fluid
And added a small
Amount.. that was all it took to smooth it out
Make sure you get the correct fluid 👍🏻
Touaregs do not consume power steering fluid from one year to the next.

Check for leaks.
I've recently flushed power steering fluid, used Liqui Moly - Power Steering Fluid G004000M2, however I started noticing it before this. Also, looks like it's happening when car warms up, when I'm driving it cold I don't notice it. Also, replaced both front wheel bearings and all 4 rotors with no luck, only spent $1000 for nothing :(

Prior this I've changed oil in both deferential, transmission and transfer case fluid. No errors, no noticeable problems while driving.

Used:
Liqui Moly 75W-90 for differentials
VW G-052-536-A2 for transfer case
Febi Bilstein G055025A2 ATF for transmission + new filter and gasket
What's your servotronic doing when this happens?
Hello SaVAGeSoot,

Do you mean steering wheel? I feel slight vibration in steering wheel on slow speed, usually when turn slightly right (about 5-10 degree) and pressing gas pedal and then it's gone. This only happens when car warm. Some rides I don't notice that at all, it's really difficult to reproduce.
No, I mean the servotronic (power steering)
Have a read
I believe the OP would need to have VCDS to look at and log servotronic status.
@v3kt0r do you have VCDS and know how to access the servotronic?
New2Tregs, Yes, I have vcds. No related errors. I know servotronic solenoid is under 09 Cent. Elec. but I don't know how to properly read it and indicate if there is an issue with it. Can you please help me to figure it out?
New2Tregs, Yes, I have vcds. No related errors. I know servotronic solenoid is under 09 Cent. Elec. but I don't know how to properly read it and indicate if there is an issue with it. Can you please help me to figure it out?
I would love to but I have not had to dig that deep on my Touareg and with VCDS.
Perhaps this would be something that someone who has already, and would be willing to guide you with.
See post # 7 of this thread.
No, I mean the servotronic (power steering)
Have a read
Thank you SaVAGeSoot! I see you've uploaded your readings but couldn't find steps hot to do this. Did you log it under 09 Cent. Elec. Measurement Blocks? Can you please share a brief instructions? However, in auto scan I get no error on Solenoid Valve for Servotronic (N119)
Let me see a full autoscan before we go down this path.
Hello SaVAGeSoot,

Here it is:

Thursday,25,May,2023,14:47:58:18224
VCDS -- Windows Based VAG/VAS Emulator Running on Windows 11 x64
VCDS Version: 23.3.1.0 (x64) HEX-V2 CB: 0.4631.4
Data version: 20230421 DS346.2
www.Ross-Tech.com


VIN: License Plate:
Mileage: 245774km-152716mi Repair Order:



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Chassis Type: BP-VW52 (7P6)
Scan: 01 02 03 05 08 09 15 16 17 19 36 42 46 52 53 55 56 5F 62 65
69 6C 6D 72

VIN: Mileage: 245774km-152716miles

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
05-Acc/Start Auth. -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: OK 0000
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: OK 0000
36-Seat Mem. Drvr -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
55-Headlight Range -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: OK 0000
5F-Information Electr. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: OK 0000
69-Trailer -- Status: OK 0000
6C-Back-up Cam. -- Status: OK 0000
6D-Trunk Elect. -- Status: OK 0000
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000
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Address 01: Engine (J623-CATA) Labels:. 059-907-401-V2.clb
Part No SW: 7P0 907 401 J HW: 7P0 907 401 E
Component: 3.0TDI FSA H17 0008
Revision: 56H17--- CVN: 66FD960038D3FF82755A2113
Coding: 292A4012233600050000
Shop #: WSC 04998 444 00000
ASAM Dataset: EV_ECM30TDI0117P0907401J 002007
ROD: EV_ECM30TDI0117P0907401J_002.rod
VCID: 36352AF2C8C30EBAE57-8062
VINID: 9E65D66C94A00D25000042090CDC240664

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0 0 0 1 1

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Address 02: Auto Trans (J217) Labels:| 0C8-927-7XX-V1.clb
Part No SW: 0C8 927 750 G HW: 0C8 927 750 G
Component: AL1000 AISIN 001 1812
Serial number: CVN: 8A97047F
Coding: 00B168
Shop #: WSC 99999 999 83333
ASAM Dataset: EV_TCMAL991031 001001
ROD: EV_TCMAL991031_001_VW52.rod
VCID: 30391CEA2AA7208ABFB-8064

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104) Labels:* 7P0-907-379.clb
Part No SW: 7P0 907 379 H HW: 7P0 907 379 A
Component: MK25A H36 0417
Revision: -------- Serial number: 404710010EC010 Dataset Number: 7P0012v____ 7P10
Coding: 5B7613C349242557DAFCC89C92D5A4407700
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
ASAM Dataset: EV_MK25AXT 007001
ROD: EV_ESPMK25A00700.rod
VCID: 42DD4622940BA21A59F-8016

No fault code found.

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Address 05: Acc/Start Auth. (J393) Labels:. 8K0-907-064-05.clb
Part No SW: 4H0 907 064 AK HW: 4H0 907 064 AK
Component: BCM2 2.0 H24 0217
Revision: 00002001
Coding: 09860000000000000000
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 72BDD6E2E4AB529A09F-8026

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 7P6 959 754 M HW: 7P6 959 754 M
Component: FBSTOUAREGIDG H04 0051
Serial number: 0810000104737001

Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 4H0 905 852 B HW: 4H0 905 852 B
Component: J764 ELV MLB H38 0044
Serial number: 2310000102059013

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC (J255) Labels:| 7P6-907-040.clb
Part No SW: 7P6 907 040 AG HW: 7P6 907 040 AG
Component: Klima 2 Zonen H18 0613
Coding: B606200A80
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
ASAM Dataset: EV_AirCondiFront 004001
ROD: EV_AirCondiFront_VW52.rod
VCID: 79AFE1CEB95D21C2485-802C

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. (J519) Labels:. 4H0-907-063-V1.clb
Part No SW: 4H0 907 063 L HW: 4H0 907 063 D
Component: BCM1 2.0 H12 0092
Revision: 15012002 Serial number: 00000000789519
Coding: 26001012973C5D010020180300005D0C431C660882010261000000020000
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 313F19EE212D2982B05-8064

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 7P0 955 119 HW: 7P0 955 119 Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: WWS 110207 31 0020
Serial number: 90243400110217215425
Coding: 004DBD

Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 7P0 955 559 D HW: 7P0 955 559 D Labels: 8K0-955-559.CLB
Component: RLFS H09 0011
Serial number: 10333115
Coding: 025223

Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 7P6 941 431 E HW: 7P6 941 431 E
Component: E1 - LDS H04 0031
Serial number: 00000000001002110159

Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 4H0 907 410 A HW: 4H0 907 410 A
Component: USHL4.2 H30 0020
Serial number: 0000001805569R08JD06

No fault code found.

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Address 15: Airbags (J234) Labels:| 7P0-959-655.clb
Part No SW: 7P0 959 655 B HW: 7P0 959 655 B
Component: VW10Airbag025 H05 0023
Revision: -------- Serial number: 003JX001LRU5 Dataset Number: 7P6003v____ 0785
Coding: 000000000000000000000000000000003235
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
ASAM Dataset: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW526 001001
ROD: EV_AirbaVW10BPAVW526_001.rod
VCID: 40D94C2A9A07B00A4FB-8014

Seat occupied recognition:
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 7P6 959 339 HW: 7P6 959 339
Component: BF-Gewichtss. 003 0005
Serial number: 5850000R10A02015LA

Crash sensor for side airbag: driver side:
Serial number: 3575LRB40570ATOC40FH

Front Passenger's Side Airbag Crash Sensor:
Serial number: 3585LRB405709REC78FG

Rear Side Airbag Crash Sensor (on driver's side):
Serial number: 3515RRB40690BTBG61BB

Passenger side rear thorax airbag crash sensor:
Serial number: 3525RRB405V0BTBG7HLH

Crash sensor for front airbag: driver side:
Serial number: 3555NRB40670AMH8OH3P

Crash sensor for front airbag: front passenger side:
Serial number: 3565NRB40670AMH8MP7-

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel (J527) Labels:. 4H0-953-568.clb
Part No SW: 4H0 953 568 A HW: 7P6 953 507
Component: Lenks.Modul H08 0007
Revision: -------- Serial number: 90815KB90005Q
Coding: 000015
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 313F19EE212D2982B05-8064

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 7P6 959 542 HW: 7P6 959 542
Component: E221__MFL-TAS H03 0027
Serial number: 0056896

No fault code found.

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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels:| 7P6-920-xxx-17.clb-SRI1
Part No SW: 7P6 920 980 N HW: 7P6 920 980 N
Component: Kombi H12 0239
Revision: 10240061 Serial number: 658290111593081
Coding: 897733022B00CF05020004
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
ASAM Dataset: EV_KombiUDSRBVW526 001013
ROD: EV_KombiUDSRBVW526.rod
VCID: 47CB5736BF2987328E1-8012

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway (J533) Labels:* None
Part No SW: 7P6 907 530 C HW: 7P6 907 530 A
Component: GW-CAN-L-MOST H08 5202
Revision: -------- Serial number: 00000000095198
Coding: 0001037500
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
GVL: FB0F40451D7F000000
ASAM Dataset: EV_GatewVW526UDS 001006
ROD: EV_GatewUDS_VW52.rod
VCID: 382924CAC2D7F8CAF7B-806C

Battery Monitoring Control Module:
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 7P0 915 181 A HW: 7P0 915 181
Component: Batt_Sensor H07 0140
Serial number: 00000000005650499885

No fault code found.

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Address 36: Seat Mem. Drvr (J136) Labels: None
Part No SW: 4H0 959 760 D HW: 4H0 959 760 D
Component: MEM-FS H08 0153
Revision: AA000000 Serial number: 00001002308651
Coding: 0058130000004001000001010101202020202121202020
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 343110FADE3F1CAADB3-8060

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver (J386) Labels:. 4H0-959-793.clb
Part No SW: 4H0 959 793 F HW: 4H0 959 793 F
Component: TSG FA H07 0162
Revision: -------- Serial number: 0000112988381
Coding: 011D07205E00453005080000
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 3C2138DAF66FD4EA133-8068

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. (J393) Labels:. 4H0-907-064-46.clb
Part No SW: 4H0 907 064 AK HW: 4H0 907 064 AK
Component: BCM2 2.0 H24 0217
Revision: 00002001 Serial number: 0142787254
Coding: 0186123A28B9509480A00620210000000000000000000000000000000000
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 72BDD6E2E4AB529A09F-8026

Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 7P6 959 719 HW: 7P6 959 719
Component: GTO BT H19 0059
Serial number: 349104682

Subsystem 2 - Part No: 1K0 951 605 C
Component: LIN BACKUP HO H05 1501

Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 7P0 959 591 HW: 7P0 959 591
Component: J245 PS30.050 H07 0006
Serial number: WOO1125152Y
Coding: 191100

Subsystem 4 - Part No SW: 7P0 959 591 A HW: 4H0 959 591
Component: J394 PS30.050 H07 0006
Serial number: WOO1131722Y
Coding: 191100

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. (J387) Labels:. 4H0-959-792.clb
Part No SW: 4H0 959 792 F HW: 4H0 959 792 F
Component: TSG BF H07 0162
Revision: -------- Serial number: 0000112951943
Coding: 011D07205E00453005080000
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 3B233BC6F361D3D21A9-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake (J540-) Labels:| 7P0-907-801.clb
Part No SW: 7P0 907 801 E HW: 7P0 907 801 E
Component: EPB H51 1100
Revision: 00000000 Serial number: A11105001C2 Dataset Number: A001
Coding: 01040000
Shop #: WSC 39874 001 1048576
ASAM Dataset: EV_ParkbA7 000006
ROD: EV_ParkbA7.rod
VCID: 35372DFED5C505A2ECD-8060

Slave 3:

No fault code found.

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Address 55: Headlight Range (J745) Labels:. 7P6-907-357.clb
Part No SW: 7P6 907 357 HW: 7L6 907 357 C
Component: AFS-ECU H04 0110
Revision: -------- Serial number: -------------- Dataset Number: 7P0036v____ 0007
Coding: 010A00010F000400
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
ASAM Dataset: EV_HeadlRegulVWAFS 005006
ROD: EV_HeadlRegulVWAFS_VW52.rod
VCID: 7CA1F8DAB66F14EA533-8028

Left_headlamp_power_output_stage:
Subsystem 1 - Part No SW: 8U0 941 329 HW: 8U0 941 329 Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
Component: LeiMo links H01 0001
Coding: 130000

Right_headlamp_power_output_stage:
Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 8U0 941 329 HW: 8U0 941 329 Labels: 3D0-941-329.CLB
Component: LeiMo rechts H01 0001
Coding: 130000

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (R) Labels:. 4F0-035-0xx-56.clb
Part No SW: 4G0 035 082 G HW: 4G0 035 082
Component: Radio U SIRIU H51 0133
Revision: AB001007 Serial number: 471B/0B7557736
Coding: 020007020000000001
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 2411E0BA6EDF8C2A4B3-8070

No fault code found.

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Address 5F: Information Electr. (J794) Labels:. 4E0-035-6xx-5F.clb
Part No SW: 7P6 035 664 D HW: 7P6 035 664
Component: H-BN-NA H43 0706
Revision: -------- Serial number: 445BU0B7510970
Coding: 010200050040C1FE41082B0C00000003F00801010000000000
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 392F21CEF95DE1C2085-806C

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 8R0 060 884 P
Component: NAR 2010 0407

Subsystem 2 - Part No SW: 7P6 919 603 C HW: 7P6 919 603 C
Component: DU8 SV Touch H24 0045
Serial number: VWZ8Z9K29004B8

Subsystem 3 - Part No SW: 7P6 919 603 C HW: 7P6 919 603 C
Component: DU8 SV Touch H24 0045
Serial number: VWZ8Z9K29004B8

Subsystem 4 - Part No: 8R0 060 961
Component: CD-Database 1886

1 Fault Found:
03175 - Invalid Data Set
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 105
Mileage: 245774 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2023.05.25
Time: 14:45:08

Freeze Frame:
Voltage: 14.40 V


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left (J388) Labels:. 4H0-959-795.clb
Part No SW: 4H0 959 795 B HW: 4H0 959 795 B
Component: TSG HL H09 0162
Revision: -------- Serial number: 0000113092272
Coding: 011C07200000253005080000
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 3A2D3EC2FC5BEADA01F-806E

No fault code found.

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Address 65: Tire Pressure (J502) Labels: 3Y0-907-273.clb
Part No SW: 7P6 907 273 F HW: 7P6 907 273 F
Component: RDKBERU25 H09 0008
Serial number: 10000000022783 Dataset Number: 7P6096v____ 0016
ASAM Dataset: EV_RDKBERU25 003006
ROD: EV_RDKBERU25_VW52.rod
VCID: 3FDB4FD6E7F9CFF2361-806A

No fault code found.

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Address 69: Trailer (J345) Labels: Redir Fail!
Part No SW: 7P0 907 383 B HW: 7P0 907 383 B
Component: Anhaenger H07 0100
Revision: 5A001001 Serial number: 00000142349096
Coding: 020D000000000000
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 372B27F6CF49F7B2FE1-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 6C: Back-up Cam. Labels: 4L0-910-441.clb
Part No SW: 7P6 907 441 A HW: 4H0 907 441
Component: SG Rueckfahrkamera 0020
Revision: 00H04000 Serial number: 525 PA8J110180
Coding: 0110001
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 372B27F6C349F7B2FE1-8062

No fault code found.

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Address 6D: Trunk Elect. (----) Labels:| 7N0-959-107.clb
Part No SW: 7P6 959 107 HW: 7P6 959 107
Component: HDSG-Modul H10 0611
Revision: 22010001 Serial number: 033100120 Dataset Number: 7p0771v____ 0009
Coding: 0533314003
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
ASAM Dataset: EV_HeckkTouar 202135
ROD: EV_HeckkTouar.rod
VCID: 7CA1F8DAB66F14EA533-8028

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right (J389) Labels:. 4H0-959-795.clb
Part No SW: 4H0 959 795 B HW: 4H0 959 795 B
Component: TSG HR H09 0162
Revision: -------- Serial number: 0000113092097
Coding: 011C07200000253005080000
Shop #: WSC 31414 790 00001
VCID: 3A2D3EC2FC5BEADA01F-806E

No fault code found.

End----------(Elapsed Time: 02:07, VBatt start/end: 14.5V/14.5V)-----------
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Here is some log I captured

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Ok, so you've logged the parameters. Did your issue occur during this logging?
Not really. Strange thing that I put more air in all wheels yesterday and don't notice it since (36psi - front, 41psi - rear). Now if that vibration is there but it's barely noticeable. Tires are Pirelli Scorpion 19", around 5000 miles on them. Planning to rotate them
Your posted log format is junk too... next time, hide\delete the repeating time stamp columns off each parameter... you only need one at the very far left.
Also fit all your columns on the page width.... it's super hard trying to look at your data with the format you posted.
Also, what did you recently fix on the engine\emissions side of things? 🧐
Nothing done recently. EGR cooler was replaced last year with extended warranty.

However, I rotated wheels and issue is still there. Sometimes it less noticeable, sometimes more. I can't really indicate at what conditions it's happening. What I noticed it's only happened when I turn right and car has to be warm. Lately I noticed a slight whistling noise when turning right or left and then it's gone. Super short and super strange. However, it's not affecting steering power.
Nothing done recently. EGR cooler was replaced last year with extended warranty.
Well, your readiness status is NFG, so something is still pending there......

Readiness: 0 0 0 1 1
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