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Just took delivery of my Treg. Drive home was pure orgasmic!

Anyway to the point: does anyone rust proof their undercarriage? I was thinking of grabbing some rust inhibitor at a local supply store and stray the metal underneath the car for good measure since snow is just around the corner.

Is this a good idea or will it be bad?

Thanks for your input.
 

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Bad idea, VWs are already hot wax dipped so all the underbody and its crevaces are rustproofed from the factory.
 

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I'll only agree because rustproofing may void your 12 year rust perforation warranty, however to say that VW made the cars immune to the vigours of our climate(I mean OURS), is complete rubbish. I'm presently, as we speak, waiting up on a rust perforation warranty claim with VW, on four different areas on my Touareg. Two bubbling areas on the rocker panel, two 2mm bubbles on the rear hatch near the VW emblem, and one under the moulding again front portion of the rocker. One was already covered and repaired last year, drivers door bottom corner. Ditto also on my ex-2005 Passat TDI. Small bubble forming on the trunk lid underside, repaired by VW on their dime. Needless to say, all this has left me slightly disappointed, but hey, they are willing to pay for it, and 12 years/unlimited mileage is a long time.

My point to the story. If I had the option to, I would have gladly taken my own initiative, to do a DIY and rustproof my VW's. All this body shop downtime, I confidently feel would have been averted. I owned an E30 BMW( a vehicle known to rust badly) for close to 20 years, and it's underside belly had less rust than my 6 year old Touareg does today, and yes I did drive the E30 in the winter back in the day, BUT the thing was rattled with my own concoction of various mixes ;).



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rust proofing

Don't mean to high-jack the thread but I have a similar question to add. Would the use of "Krown" be beneficial or would it void VW warranty. It's considered a corrosion inhibitor.
 

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I am surprised to find a thread that is so similar in nature with the one I’ve started a couple of weeks ago. I was also thinking about applying a layer of a rubberized rust protector on known trouble spots of the Touareg underbody. The consensus was that it isn’t necessary and this thing never rusts – thus there is no such thing as known trouble spots. Now I hear about rust perforation in here and in there…Well, there are no miracles, hot waxed or no – if roads are covered with sand and salt there will be rust no matter what, would it? It is interesting that you folks are talking about voidance of warranty if a protection compound is applied. How that could be? Where does is say so in the warranty book? I will be applying that rubberized rust protector, whatever the brand name is, which I’ve successfully used on my last three vehicles. It is sold by NAPA, it is cheap and easy to apply as it comes in a spray can. And, BTW, it is really easy to remove using anything auto-grade made for tar/oil/asphalt spots removal.
 

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Bad idea, VWs are already hot wax dipped so all the underbody and its crevaces are rustproofed from the factory.
I don't think this is a bad idea. Granted VW dips the hell out of their vehicles with cosmoline, but over time, specifically in a hot environment, it drips and runs out of every orifice on the vehicle.

Every VW I've owned has done this, moreso on newer models (20AE GTI, R32, MKV Jetta). Hell even my 90 and 91 Corrado G60's still exhibited cosmoline drip 10 years after I acquired them.

It's the OP's call...I'd say it's dependent on climate and whether or not there's any of the cosmoline left.
 

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Thanks and you guys are right. I looked underneath and see waxy drips between the panel (looks like candle wax). My intention was to spray a can of rust inhibitor around the suspension components and exposed metal (other than the exhaust of course because that will vapourize the spray).

Another question, is this safe if overspray goto onto rubber components such as rubber bushing, boot, brake hose etc. Sorry if my question seem noobish since I have never own this type of vehicle before so I don't know its design inside out.
 

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Quality rust inhibitors won't deteriorate the rubber components.

As for warranty being void, I suggest some of you guys go straight to the horses mouth in person. Ask the question at the source, where you would most likely go in for a claim, and see what they tell you. Best to ask for the service manager on this question. These things are written in stone, but you don't want to give these people any room to manoeuvre come claim time, as that would be a sure pity.



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I don't think this is a bad idea. Granted VW dips the hell out of their vehicles with cosmoline, but over time, specifically in a hot environment, it drips and runs out of every orifice on the vehicle.

Every VW I've owned has done this, moreso on newer models (20AE GTI, R32, MKV Jetta). Hell even my 90 and 91 Corrado G60's still exhibited cosmoline drip 10 years after I acquired them.

It's the OP's call...I'd say it's dependent on climate and whether or not there's any of the cosmoline left.
Yeah agree not a bad idea...but as you say you get the wax dripping out 10 years after the fact, and a rustproofing treatment won't do a thing for surface rust on areas like the rocker panels and door corners as any oil treatment will just wash away from those areas.

Rust treatments are designed for (and work very well on) full frame vehicles like my Ford. If you don't treat the frame/suspension/leaf springs with corrosion treatment they will rust away (no protection from the factory). I'm not sure what spraying oil onto a thick layer of wax that's under the VW is supposed to accomplish...

So sure maybe 12 years later assuming you park outside in vegas in the summer and drive in the winter salt orgy called Montreal, the wax treatment will not likely protect your ndercarriage.
 

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Nick, my drivers door bottom corner nearest the rear passenger door bubbled and was repaired under warranty. My rear hatch now has two very small bubbles near the VW emblem. Not noticeable to the average Joe, but they are there and will grow. Pending on the warranty claim for those.

My point/question for the day is, does the factory wax dip cover every square inch of the body panel innards? I can't wait to finally get around and take off the carpet felt trim and plastic panel on the rear hatch, to see exactly how much wax coating is really in there, and why is my hatch bubbling(like every VW I have owned in my life) to begin with. I take very good care of the Egg, just like the pics, it stays in showroom condition, so seeing bubbles appear over the course of the last 10 months alone is slightly disconcerting.



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The factory wax treatment is for the floor/firewall/rocker panel insides and a portion of the a/b and c pillars....for the most part these are the areas that would most commonly rust out (hence my Ford comment above, these areas are just protected by a coat of paint)... The body panels and rear hatch on VWs are just typical galvanized steel w/paint (except for the plastic fenders and aluminum hood). There is no wax on the inside of your hatch so don't expect to find any..its just galvanized on the inside w/ some paint overspray.

Most anti rust treatments are just for your underbody...which is why I keep saying "why bother spraying your underbody when its already coated with a thick layer of goop".

Some anti rust treatment places literally drill holes into your body panels and spray oil into them, the thinking is they will prevent rust from the inside out. This made sense on 1970s vehicles that just used raw steel or poorly galvanized panels, but I'm not sure you'd gain any benefit on any modern vehicle...I'm not a big fan of having my vehicle smell like oil and drip oil for the sake of rust protection.

Keep in mind my joke above about Montreal was somewhat serious, the winter salt usage is the heaviest in north america, and the freeze/thaw/freeze cycles make it the worst winter environment for rust on the whole continent!
 

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I definitely agree that spraying the underbody really won't help much, and on your comment about drilling holes and oil dripping out creating a mess. However there are a couple of places here in Montreal, that have made very positive reputation for themselves, over the course of the last 25 years, and what they do is to take off your inside plastic panels, and add more of a factory type of wax, and coat the inside of the floors too, if the client wishes the latter. They are a one stop never go back type of place, and they offer a 7 year warranty on perforation, however they are somewhat pricey. My boss has a 12 year old, Yota 4-Runner that he bought brand new, and this is the type of place he had it treated at that just once, as soon as he bought the vehicle out of the showroom. The Yota that he hardly ever washes or waxes, is basically a seeing is believing ordeal, quite remarkable, there is ZERO rust on it, it makes my Egg look slightly bad to a picky eye like mine.

Now a 12 year old vintage 4-runner is no leather clad Touareg, and the sheer idea that those guys would tear my interior apart, to use the right anti rust product, and apply it where it really counts and makes a difference, does make me cringe slightly. If I were to go back in time, buy the Touareg brand new, perhaps I would take it to these guys to spray that O.E style concoction wax formula of theirs on the inside of my doors and rear hatch, or even better, I would take off the paneling myself, and give it a shot. Anybody living in Montreal, and planning to keep a vehicle over a decade would have nothing to lose.



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I have wondered what precautions others are taking for rust prevention on there Treg. In researching different options to help with rust prevention, I came up with Fluid Film. Its an Eco-Friendly product that seem to popular with the Ag equipment operators, construction, and city yards. The city yards use it on their plow equipment, so it should be good stuff. I haven't had a chance to spray the underside of mine. I've been waiting to see what others are going.


Nickm, hit the nail on the head on Fords version of undercoating, nothing. My Excurision after less then 4 years in Colorado winters has rust everywhere on the under side. And thats being diligent on washing off after every storm.
 

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Agree IF you plan on keeping it a while it would be worth it to remove panels and wax up the door panels and hatch. The door panels usually rust from the inside out from salt spray on your windows dripping down into the door panel and nesting into the corners...go through enough winters and the salt helps the rust forma nd eat its way through.

Also the hatch area on VWs (and most other vehicles) is a rust prone area, water/ slat spray just stays there, and even if you're diligent about washing its still usually a wet area.

I'll get out there and post some photos of the Ford underbody vs VW underbody...keep in mind this is not some cheap ass low end Ford, the Ford when new carried a retail price of $70K CAD so it was actually slightly more expensive than my Treg. It'll make for good perspective on how different companies go about dealing with rust.

Majohnson, good to hear I'm not the only one unimpressed with Fords lack of effort on rust prevention!
 

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Agree IF you plan on keeping it a while it would be worth it to remove panels and wax up the door panels and hatch. The door panels usually rust from the inside out from salt spray on your windows dripping down into the door panel and nesting into the corners...go through enough winters and the salt helps the rust forma nd eat its way through.

Also the hatch area on VWs (and most other vehicles) is a rust prone area, water/ slat spray just stays there, and even if you're diligent about washing its still usually a wet area........
There was a report a few years ago conceding a few automatic car washes out there. All that water that goes down the drain gets recycles and filtered, except that although the filtered water is now clear and clean looking, it is in fact still salty with road salt still present in the solution!!! I never researched this further, but if it were to be true, I think that my Touareg and my previous VW's may very well have fallen victim to this fact.

Yes, as much as you guys in warm places cringe that I take my Touareg in automatic "touchless" car washes, it is a sad reality for those of us who live in areas whre the temperature may stay below freezing for weeks without a break.



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I hear ya VWDude. I wash mine by hand in the summer, but in the winter, I have no choice but to take it through the carwash. I never heard that about recycling the water..I will have to ask about that at the car wash I go to generally.
 

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Thanks and you guys are right. I looked underneath and see waxy drips between the panel (looks like candle wax). My intention was to spray a can of rust inhibitor around the suspension components and exposed metal (other than the exhaust of course because that will vapourize the spray).

Another question, is this safe if overspray goto onto rubber components such as rubber bushing, boot, brake hose etc. Sorry if my question seem noobish since I have never own this type of vehicle before so I don't know its design inside out.


I made a research not too long ago after reading an article in my Diesel Power magazine. The product comes in a spray can or a gallon bucket that can be brushed under the Treg.

The product is called 'Fluid film' and the other one which was supposedly made by or for Boeing is called 'T3' (i don't know if you knew about these products). I found a website that sells both and I am in the process of ordering today so I can apply it this weekend.

Hope this helps.
 

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Electonic Rust Proofing

Bit of an old thread but am about (Hopefully) to shorthly take delivery of my new Treg.

Reading this has lead me to believe no real need to rust proof under carriage as I have previously done on most of my 4WD vehicles.

But what about these Electronic Rust proofing deals like CouplerTec. ?

Now I am going to assume I will have different opinions here on positive and not worth it, but the question I have is this.

Will adding an electonic rust Protector have ANY adverse effect. ? If not then debating how efficent they are or not doesn't worry me. It may help or it may not, but as long as it cant hurt why not add this protection to this expensive vehicle.

Note I do use 4WD on beach 4 or 5 times a year.
 
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