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Risks of buying "new" 2016 TDI

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#1 ·
I'm considering purchasing a "new" 2016 Touareg TDI with diesel fix; what are the risks if any of purchasing a vehicle that has, presumably, sat on a lot somewhere for nearly a couple years?

Thanks
 
#2 ·
If the dealer, on whose lot the vehicle sat, drove it at least once a month, long enough to get it up to normal operating temperature, and performed required annual service, then there should be little risk. Also, there is the bumper-to-bumper, 36,000 miles or 36 months new car warranty, and the 10 year or 120,000 miles power train warranty, both of which should cover any potential issues caused by the vehicle not being used for two years. Finally, there is the additional emissions warranty added by VW to cover any potential problems caused by the emissions ‘fix.’

We just purchased one of these vehicles, and are very pleased with it so far. Immediately before it was sold to us, the dealer (Chapman VW in Tucson AZ) changed the engine oil and filter, flushed the brake fluid, and changed all the wiper blades, in addition to performing all other annual inspection requirements. They also completely filled the fuel tank and the AdBlue (diesel exhaust fluid (DEF)) tank.

As I type these words, my wife and I are waiting at the dealer while they address a few minor issues (none of which are related to the vehicle having sat for two years), and check the vehicle’s navigation database to see if it is the most current version. If it is not, they will order the current version and install it.

All-in-all, we are very pleased with the condition of the vehicle, the process of purchasing it, and fixing the few minor issues we have identified with it. As of this date, we have no reservations recommending others consider the purchase of 2016 VW Touareg TDI, if it has been properly maintained and serviced by the dealer.
 
#4 ·
price quote - CA

I was quoted 12% off sticker for a new Touareg... This is in California.

And they cringed when they gave me my buy-back offer... $23k for a 2014 w/67k miles. I got two other buy back offers from Car Max and Volvo - $22k and $24.5k, respectively. Car Max said it would go straight to the auto auction since consumers are turned off of VW due to scandal.

On my Touareg the turbo went out at 50k miles and the main rear seal at 67k miles. Two large repairs... Dont think I would buy another unless I got the extended warranty. But I do love how the car handles, etc.! Just expensive to maintain for non maintenance repairs.
 
#6 ·
They covered the turbo ($6k) but not the rear main seal ($2.8k). Not sure of the warranty differences and the mile extension that came with the 'fix'. When the rear main seal went out, the fix was out but not done, so ineligible. And 8 days past when the 'fix' became public so the bumper-to-bumper was denied. I do need to understand new warranty info that before I jump to another vehicle...
 
#7 ·
But didn't you already have a 10 year/100K drive train warranty anyway that would have covered the rear main seal?
 
#8 ·
I just picked up a 2016 Lux last week. Sold as new but it has 7k of dealer driven miles on it. I figure that is better than one that just sat. The mileage also helped me negotiate a better price. It has the full warranty remaining since it had never been sold plus I get the extra warranty from the emissions and free DEF.

I paid a little more than I would have preferred, and kept telling myself that it was two years old, but where would I find one that is not?
 
#11 ·
They don't seem to be having any trouble moving the left overs for the same $ as before the scandal. I paid $49,xxx for a 2015 with a msrp of $58,xxx in July 2015. IIRC the msrp went down on the 2016s and the Lux model came with cooled seats not avail in '15.
 
#12 ·
Just bought a leftover 2016 Exec with 100 miles on it in Nor Cal. Made a posting on the difference over my 2012 and the work that VW paid the dealers to do to maintain the cars sitting in inventory:

I have a 2012 TDI Exec that I bought new and only has 40K miles. I'm about to sell back to VW next month. I also just bought the last leftover 2016 TDI Exec I could find in Nor Cal. I gave a deposit to hold for 3 days until I could get over there to look at it and they called me 4 times asking if I still wanted it as they had others willing to take it. Paid $1k under MSRP and it has 100 miles on it.

It's worth noting that VW paid the dealers to service these cars regularly, start them up and bring them up to temp weekly. They then changed all the fluids, including coolant and brake fluid flush and new batteries and tires if they needed them. I specifically requested the record proving it, and they gave me the work orders for the one I bought showing everything that had been done including a new battery a few weeks prior to buying mine.

I loved my 2012 so much (only issue ever was replacing the battery due to age) that I wanted another one. My 2012 is Midnight Blue w/Brown. 2016 is Silver w/black. The 2016 engine is much more responsive and the transmission shift mapping is much better. However, it feels like the 2016 has softer spring rates, especially in the back, where my 2012 feels stiffer. That said, I love the new updates with ACC, heated steering, rear window shades (helps my daughters), etc. Definitely a step up over my 2012. I considered getting a 2015+ Cayenne (had a Cayenne Turbo several years ago), but to get the equivalent options in a Cayenne S or GTS, I would be at $100K or $85-$90K CPO. The Touareg is still the better value.

In between this whole 3.0L TDI melee, my wife and I bought a new loaded 2017 BMW X5 diesel in February 2017 as we weren't sure what was going to happen with the 3.0L VW/Audi diesels. The BMW diesel is a rocket compared to the Touareg and more cargo space as well. There are some idiosyncrasies that are much more intuitive on the Touareg, but my wife loves the X5. So currently, we have 3 diesel SUV's at our house until the 2012 gets sold back in Feb. First world problems. LOL.

The 2016 went straight from the dealer to a shop to have the extra chrome (bleh!) painted body color (the strips around the sides and bumper) and we're painting the window trim, grill chrome and roof rails gloss black. Adding a full clear bra on the front and OptiCoat as well (do this on all my cars).

From another 2012 owner, I say go for the 2016. It's definitely a keeper.

Cheers,
Mark
 
#16 ·
I ended up buying a “new” 60-mile 2016 TDI Lux with DAP, MSRP was $59xxx, I offered $49k and they countered at $50k which I accepted. The dealer changed the oil and put new tires on it. They claimed that they brought it up to temp every month but I’ve got no proof of that. Hopefully I don’t have major issues. Fingers crossed.
 
#17 ·
Just bought a "new" 2016 TDI LUX for $47,760 that had been demo with 5.5K miles - so 19% off 59K MSRP. Would appreciate any info. on POC selling extended warranty. Thanks. Love this vehicle and so much nicer than my 2012 Sport/NAV.
 
#19 ·
Be careful here. I think this only covers the engine, fuel system, and emissions equipment. While those constitute the majority of the big ticket items and contains some of the equipment most likely to fail, you are still exposed on other items such as HVAC/infotainment/sunroof/HID headlights, etc. Those are covered for 3/36,000. Conceivably, you should be able to purchase an inexpensive extended warranty for the additional items, but I doubt that any insurance/warrant company has taken the consent agreement warranty into account when calculating the cost of such a warranty.
 
#20 ·
You'll have to search the forums here since I don't recall the specifics. But I believe there's a problem with voice command not working for navigation on the 2016 Touaregs. If there isn't a fix out for it yet and you determine the vehicle you're buying is affected, you might want to modify your purchase contract to include a free navigation software update once it's been fixed. I think the update is a few hundred bucks otherwise.
 
#22 ·
Why would you think that? There is obvious demand for these vehicles seeing as they are selling for the same prices or more than what they were selling for in 2015. Clearly the market doesn’t currently share your opinion, so why do you think that is going to change “quick?”
 
#23 ·
I see 014's like mine and what dealers are giving folks in trade. I see private sellers with decent prices on 014's sit unbought. I think 3 year old execs down 50 percent from sticker might be normal depreciation though? I could be jaded by the whole experience, like I said I would not even want one now that the performance has changed, just me.
 
#26 ·
x2. Privately owned used ones seem to be sitting, unsold, for cheap. Only when you add in the bribe money does it begin to approach what sellers might have realized had Dieselgate never happened. But that doesn't bode well for the buyer of a "new" one who, down the road, won't have any bribe money to add in when s/he goes to sell it.

At the same time, we current owners should be cheering for the dealers to get their aspirational prices! It can only bolster prices for used ones.
 
#24 ·
The whole diesel experience now that engine breaking and accelerations is diminished, become more pedestrian, on the ones I test drove makes me think why would I want to put up with the whole dirty diesel pump thing, higher DEF usage, and uncertainty of the future of the fix long term and bad press now that I see Ford being called out. Its still a nice SUV don't get me wrong just lost value to me.
 
#25 ·
All I can add is the engine braking is not a diesel only feature. The AXQ V8 gas Touareg has incredible engine braking.
 
#28 ·
A 2014 would be under $30k based on average depreciation of new cars, they will be 5 years old this year (remember sold in 2013) and should be down close to 50% now or 60% by the end of the year. It's a new car thing, not a Touareg thing. The leftover 2016s strong showing is telling what demand will be like. They should be sub-$45k but are selling well over, and fast.
 
#29 ·
The 2014's Execs are selling/being traded in for sub30k it appears so in 2 years the 2016 will also. But you are right they are selling for over sub 45 k (where they should be)but why? The fix is just out, you get any bad press on repairs, performance degradation/problems it will curse it further. I folks are jumping on "new" Touaregs they will soon be well used 5 years old also. I don't think supply and demand will then make 5 year olds jump in price as electric and self driving cars get the attention. I think diesel is done at least has a lot of questions.
 
#30 ·
The cheapest tdi on autotrader with less than 45,000 miles is $33k and most in the upper $30s. Some butthurt owners are quite frankly just being petty and are so desperate to be right about added depreciation they are just spouting nonsense. Almost all that are being sold for under $30k are well over 60,000 miles.