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Re: The Time has Come

Hi Guys,

My car just went in for its 30 K service and I get the dreaded phone call about the break sensors
only have 1mm front and back before going off. They then said its about another 2mm after that
maybe.

So he reckons I have about 1000klm to go.

I must admit I didnt think It was going to be for awhile yet.

They quoted me:

Front: $ 1300
Back: $ 1065
Total" $ 2365

Comments please in regards to how much I could save using alternative options etc.

Thanks again Guys.

Lee
 

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It seems that you have been unlucky in this regard - 30K kms is not a lot. I am just under 90K kms on my original brake pads, however at the recent service they said I would not make it to the next service before they wear out. Waiting for the warning light.

The price seems too high. When it happens, I will seek help from an independent shop.
 

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I assume this was the VW dealer's call to panic you into buying brake replacements you don't need yet? If so, it is the classic attempt to upsell. The dealers defend themselves by saying that they want to be sure your brakes will get you through to the next service so you don't have the inconvenience of another visit in the interim. Bo$$ocks to that I say!

First, unless you are particularly heavy on your brakes as in hard driving, city use, lots of towing, or a mechanical problem like caliper pistons not releasing the pads properly thereby causing excessive wear, then 30,000 kilometres is no life at all for a Touareg's discs and pads.

Most people are seeing at least that in miles and many see double that so 50,000+ miles out of a set would be more in line.

When the pad wear warning light comes on, you will have at least 1,000 miles to sort out the necessary replacements and it probably won't be at that dealer!

What follows may be teaching you to suck eggs but I don't know your mechanical aptitude!

When the light does come on then, first, you need to measure the wear on the discs.

There isn't much meat on a Touareg disc before they go under size, but quite a few people are able to use two sets of pads to one set of discs.

If you need new discs, then best practice suggests you replace all four discs and the pads at the same time.

Personally, I would only replace the discs and pads that actually need to be replaced so you will need to identify which pads have set the sensors off. Most likely it will be the fronts in your case.

Any good workshop can do this work for you, you don't have to pay VW dealer labour rates.

They can use VW parts [Brembo discs/PAGID pads], or you can go aftermarket. There are lots of threads on here with a number of recommendations including getting the parts imported for a lot less money than you'd pay in Oz.

The one thing you need to watch out for is when replacing the rear discs: the person doing those needs to know how to back off the electric parking brake. I can't remember the ins and outs of that but it's not rocket science, just a bit of practical knowledge.
 

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Seriously Leeroybee, I would wait as others have advised for the warning light to go off before looking to replace discs and pads.

Although you have a 7P model Touareg and mine is a 7P I think the same comments apply.

At my 30,000 km service I had a similar call from my dealer who said I needed to change pads and discs. :surprise:
Like you I came on here and asked the same sort of questions you have. :confused:
I received the same advice you have and took it. 0:)
I am very glad I did so. :joy:
The warning light finally came on at over 90,000 kms. (remember the 7L model is heavier than the 7P and all things being equal would be harder on brakes therefore)
We found this was for the front pads so the front pads and discs were both replaced at this stage, but not the rears. The rears were finally done at over 120,000 kms.

I think you need to replace both pads (and discs if needed as per Nooby's comments) on the same axle viz both front or both rear at the same time. But front and rear can be done independently.

I wonder if the VW Dealers have a standard modus operandi for the 30,000 km service. Some things just don't change!!!:censored:

Also agree you will get the brakes done far cheaper if you go to someone else rather than the dealer, and the internet is a wonderful place to search for the items you will need. Dealer was quoting me well over $2000 for the pads and discs back when they tried it on in 2010, I got the parts for under $800 and did the job in early 2014 but as mentioned only replaced the front discs and pads then. The rears were done 18 months later.

Good luck with it all, and again strongly advise to wait for the warning light. I think I had 2-3,000 kms once the light went on. If interested this was my experience back then
http://www.clubtouareg.com/forums/f67/brakes-28593-23.html
 

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Hey Lee, just confirming what the boys have said above. A variation to the story is that generally you will have AT LEAST 20,000km of brake pad life left (to VW specification) unless you really do punish the brakes or have a mechanical issue as Nooby mentioned. The trick is to measure both pad and disc thickness. Pad thickness can be very roughly checked through the wheel (on cold discs or else you may yelp from a cooked finger) but best to take off one front and one rear wheel and accurately measure. Not hard really. John
 

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Hi Guys,

My car just went in for its 30 K service and I get the dreaded phone call about the break sensors
only have 1mm front and back before going off. They then said its about another 2mm after that
maybe.

So he reckons I have about 1000klm to go.

I must admit I didnt think It was going to be for awhile yet.

They quoted me:

Front: $ 1300
Back: $ 1065
Total" $ 2365

Comments please in regards to how much I could save using alternative options etc.

Thanks again Guys.

Lee
Lee, agree with the others. I have the same model as you and just did this myself at 60K - but I waited until the light comes on and our model has back and front sensors.

VW mechanic advised me you have at least 1000kms if not 2000kms after the sensors activate (I measured 4/5mm left from a 10/11mm thick original pad), so reality is you have much more than 1000-2000kms left after sensors activate (but to be safe, take a wheel off and measure them - make sure you have a backup stand as well as a jack when you stick your head under).

I was told both front and rear pads and front and rear rotors needing replacing - in actual fact the rear rotor was only half worn, so the rear rotors will last another 60,000 kms. I replaced f/r pads and front rotors only (did it myself, but as others have mentioned a good mechanic can do this no worries). As Nooby advised, be very aware if someone who doesn't know the vehicle tries to remove the rear rotors and does the electric park brake without setting it in the open position (thru VAG?), then it will cost you $1000+ (not sure what happens, but needs replacing and it is costly!).

Unless you're real heavy on the brakes, see my brake wear measurements attached - could have gone another 5,000 kms safely.

Bottom line - don't change any pads until the sensors come on. Then you still have plenty of kms and time.

Cheers Paul.
 

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Gordon Norah, I've never seen anyone keep records like that!

Glad to see the Latitude Cross are wearing okay too!!
 

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Thanks guys and for the reminder about the rear park brake.

I rang a Brakes Specialist yesterday and they quoted me a maximum of $ 1600 already. Probably less
once they check the exact car model details etc.

Ill start doing my homework now.

Lee
 

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Has any one tried Sparesbox yet there prices for parts here in aus seem ok im about to try them for some filters but brake prices look good to me
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That would be awesome Id rather buy the parts myself and pay someone to install.
G'day Lee. For my T2 V10TDI I sourced the parts myself. Mark (Dragline1570) fitted them for me at the time he replaced the driveline bearing.
He is in Maitland NSW so probably not of interest as far as fitting is concerned.
I purchased RDA rotors (ex- Performance Car Parts online) Sensors from Run Auto Parts. Both located in Melbourne.
Pads I purchased ceramics from Works Concepts (USA).
Front and rear, including freight, total parts cost was under A$900.
Mine were done at around 74K kilometers of which about 50K was towing (much in dusty conditions).
Unless you drive like a hoon, ceramic pads are fine (for me anyway) and much less (orange) brake dust.
Suggest if you are doing any off-road work, don't be tempted with slotted and drilled rotors as stones can cause mayhem with these.
Cheers
Dub
 

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Thanks I drive pretty slow to be honest but I live on a steep block so maybe that has contributed to the early wear.

Ill definitely make sure I dont get slotted rotors.

Cheers,

Lee
 

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Thanks I drive pretty slow to be honest but I live on a steep block so maybe that has contributed to the early wear.

Ill definitely make sure I dont get slotted rotors.

Cheers,

Lee
Lee, you don't know really if it's early wear or not? If your sensor light hasn't come up yet there is no problem. VW trying to add another job.

Check your service invoices and they measure your pads each time and record that measurement on your invoice service inspection sheet - see what it was previous and ask VW to measure your pad thickness front and rear again now.

Cheers Paul.
 

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Thanks Paul,

I wasnt going to do anything until the sensor has gone off anyway.

When it was serviced yesterday they measured it and told me 1mm front and back left before
indicator goes off.

I just thought Id get started early on the research.

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Thanks Paul,

I wasnt going to do anything until the sensor has gone off anyway.

When it was serviced yesterday they measured it and told me 1mm front and back left before
indicator goes off.

I just thought Id get started early on the research.

Lee
Lee... when you get your invoice/service inspection sheet back (see my 32K service attached, refer line 15), have a look at the pad measurements. Mine were 6mm on all pads at 32,000kms. If they are 1mm off on their measurement (easily done), yours would be the same as mine at 30,000? And my guys have measured wrong (see my snippet table in pink highlight... for example rear 45K service should have been 6mm, 5mm doesn't make sense).
 

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Hi Paul;

Here you are below:

Service Date: 16-02-16 KLM 17693 Front: 8 30.1 Back: 8 24.4
19-10-16 KLM 36127 Front: 1 30 Back: 1 27
 

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Hi Paul;

Here you are below:

Service Date: 16-02-16 KLM 17693 Front: 8 30.1 Back: 8 24.4
19-10-16 KLM 36127 Front: 1 30 Back: 1 27
So Lee... both our cars were 8mm at 15-17K service. It can not be 1mm, sensor wears thru at 4-5mm (so I am estimating it is probably 6-7mm now). I would suggest your car is wearing around the same rate as mine - around 60K for a change. Cheers Paul.
 
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