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I have heard that the Cayenne and Touareg share the same chassis/suspension.

Does anyone know if 2011-2017 Porsche Cayenne 958 coilovers fit a 2014 Toaureg TDI R Line?
The reason I am asking is, I want to lower my vehicle more than what H&R springs do.
Also, I don't really want to spend or need the adjustability of KW V3's.

Thanks in advance!
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Not sure if KW actually makes a kit for T3. New OE cayenne stuff might be more expensive than going with Bilstein B12.

I lowered my Hybrid with Bilstein B12, so I might be able to share some tips with you.

The B12 kit is designed for Cayenne and doesn't show on Bilstein's catalog for Touareg, but you can use it. Bilstein people will tell you it will drop the Touareg more than the Cayenne thus it's not compatible. What they don't consider is that Touareg is higher out of the factory... with the same subframe and control arms, the final installed height would be the same, then of course it will drop Touareg more... However, the B12 uses Eibach springs which seems to me is discontinued... meaning your order will be indefinitely pending for manufacturing. But you could skip the kit and source the B6 dampers and pair those with H&R springs.

Another thing you might not like is that Bilstein has been on a world wide back order since 2016... you might need to source 4 corners from 4 different vendors...still would be way cheaper than buying cayenne parts

Are you going to use a shop or install by yourself? One tip if you are doing it by yourself - for the rear, it's a two person job. Prepare a 2x4 that's at least 8ft to pry down the wheel hub for aligning the lower bolt... man this is the part I hate the most for the entire job...
 

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What I do know is that with the coilovers for earlier models the spring weights for the Cayenne are heavier than for the Touareg and the KW kits cost at least 3x BC Coilover. I don't know if they're that much better.

Also, the Bilstein part numbers for both those cars is different. I think it's because the Cayenne is a bit lower.
Sorry I couldn't help with T3 information.
 

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Anyone know the spring rates? I know it may not apply but Sprint made a ton of different springs for various applications. There’s a dude on here that sold a set of custom Scale T3 coil overs in the classifieds and he said to contact them directly for a quote.
 

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No experience with these guys, but I've come across them many times during various searches.....
Perhaps something to consider
 

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Anyone know the spring rates? I know it may not apply but Sprint made a ton of different springs for various applications. There’s a dude on here that sold a set of custom Scale T3 coil overs in the classifieds and he said to contact them directly for a quote.
If you follow this link they show various spring weights.
I can't make a logical, intuitive sense out of them, it seems they're assuming different engine weights for different cars without noting so.
 

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If you follow this link they show various spring weights.
I can't make a logical, intuitive sense out of them, it seems they're assuming different engine weights for different cars without noting so.
Most of those things are based on distributing weight around four corners and for us performance guys, weight under load.
 

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Most of those things are based on distributing weight around four corners and for us performance guys, weight under load.
The differences I mean are like, 8kg front for a VW and 14 kg for an Audi but not saying one is for a 3.2 and one is for a 4.9.

Those numbers I pulled out of my arse, I didn't bother to go the the website to be accurate, but I think they're close.
In the end it almost seems like it hardly matter what you put in unless you really know what you're doing and what you want.

For me I would want to know what my standard spring rates are then I would figure it from there.
 

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The differences I mean are like, 8kg front for a VW and 14 kg for an Audi but not saying one is for a 3.2 and one is for a 4.9.

Those numbers I pulled out of my arse, I didn't bother to go the the website to be accurate, but I think they're close.
In the end it almost seems like it hardly matter what you put in unless you really know what you're doing and what you want.

For me I would want to know what my standard spring rates are then I would figure it from there.
Ah I see and understand now. Contact Scale, maybe they’ll recommend something regarding spring rates.
 

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Ah I see and understand now. Contact Scale, maybe they’ll recommend something regarding spring rates.
They might be able to help but to do so they would need to know about the nature of your car and what you expect from it.
Sorry, I only have more questions and no real answers.

I spoke to Scale once about the ride and control of there coilovers and got the same answers I got from their customers - that the ride is comparable to standard. I suppose for around $1200USD that's fair but I wanted control more like you'd find with a Koni setup.
Now Koni doesn't make a system for our cars anymore and when they did the VW, Audi and Porsche systems were all different.
Just to add to the confusion.
 

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They might be able to help but to do so they would need to know about the nature of your car and what you expect from it.
Sorry, I only have more questions and no real answers.

I spoke to Scale once about the ride and control of there coilovers and got the same answers I got from their customers - that the ride is comparable to standard. I suppose for around $1200USD that's fair but I wanted control more like you'd find with a Koni setup.
Now Koni doesn't make a system for our cars anymore and when they did the VW, Audi and Porsche systems were all different.
Just to add to the confusion.
I get you and to be fair I'm going with Air Suspension next and don't have a dog in the fight so to speak. I like the H&R springs that are installed in my car now but they can be a little harsh.
 

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I get you and to be fair I'm going with Air Suspension next and don't have a dog in the fight so to speak. I like the H&R springs that are installed in my car now but they can be a little harsh.
It's a bit harder with air springs as they tend more to think in terms of ride height not spring pressure.
I haven't seen air springs quoting relative spring pressure.
 

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Is there a way to use Porsche components (for a better handling Touareg) WITHOUT a drop? In the snowy region in which I live, I really cannot afford to lose inches here
 

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That was one of my theories. Would I have to use GTS roll bars, or would even the basic Cayenne TDI rollbars work the same?
 

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I recall there's a thread about this, with part numbers listed.
(for some reason sourcing these from Porsche dealership is cheaper than VW dealerships...)
So you are saying that we can get Porsche GTS sway bars from the Porsche dealership cheaper than sway bars from a VW dealership?

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What are the ballpark prices on these?

Also, any update on whether coilovers for 958 Cayennes fit T3 Touaregs (the original question that started this thread)?
 
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