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it's still quite capable contrary to popular belief
Indeed, there is already a trip report on here of a T3 doing the Mojave Road: Touareg in the Mojave

It's a little unclear what route they took, but from the comments it looks like they skipped the water crossings and Watson Wash. I often wondered what a T3/T4 would be like on the trail, as I used low range 1st a lot... it would have been more challenging to creep slowly and not break things without as low of gears.

Great story, great planning, and great photos!
hopefully more adventures to follow?
Thanks! Absolutely, I am already researching the next one.
 

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Indeed, there is already a trip report on here of a T3 doing the Mojave Road: Touareg in the Mojave

It's a little unclear what route they took, but from the comments it looks like they skipped the water crossings and Watson Wash. I often wondered what a T3/T4 would be like on the trail, as I used low range 1st a lot... it would have been more challenging to creep slowly and not break things without as low of gears.



Thanks! Absolutely, I am already researching the next one.
Late model Touareg, while they don't have low gear transfer case, still had an incredibly low 1st gear at 4.92 which is fine for crawling
 

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It all depends on what you want to use as a standard I guess....
According to forum nomenclature, you are correct, but there's really only 3 official VAG platforms....
When VW launched the facelifted version of the original Touareg it was advertised as the Touareg II, hence T2 and, in reverse mode, T1.

Thereafter T3, T4 and T5 were pretty much predetermined on the Touareg forums, and I'm sure you'll be pleased to know (even though your market won't be getting it!) the T6 is on its way!

References to Generation 1 and 2 came about as a result of the US dieselgate rulings, and as a result Generation 3 was an obvious next step in forum nomenclature.

Now, whether there will be a Generation 4 T7.....

But in the meantime I hand you back to the Mojave!
 

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Late model Touareg, while they don't have low gear transfer case, still had an incredibly low 1st gear at 4.92 which is fine for crawling
Close, but no cigar!
09D 4.148 2.370 1.556 1.155 0.859 0.686
0C8 4.970 2.840 1.864 1.437 1.210 1.000 0.825 0.686


Regardless, unless we also take into consideration the final drive ratio, we are just throwing numbers around, and since I don't have the final ratios handy in my hoarding of specs, I'm not sure if they were super different or close between the generations.
 

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I actually looked it up just because why not....
If you left a 2010 in HI range and were crawling in 1st gear, you'd basically have the identical gearing as a 2011+ without the Hi/Lo transfer case. LO range is 2.7:1 so we won't talk about that :censored:

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Close, but no cigar!
09D 4.148 2.370 1.556 1.155 0.859 0.686
0C8 4.970 2.840 1.864 1.437 1.210 1.000 0.825 0.686


Regardless, unless we also take into consideration the final drive ratio, we are just throwing numbers around, and since I don't have the final ratios handy in my hoarding of specs, I'm not sure if they were super different or close between the generations.
Good catch. Good to have you back 😉
 

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I'm sure some have already seen this.
Watch it, just ignore the audio, especially where they claim 45deg inclines or 5ft up in the air wheel lifts......
But it shows that even with unsuitable tires, a fully functioning mall crawler will get through a lot of stuff that the majorify of soccer moms rocking them won't ever face
 

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Hey guys, I have done the Mojave Road several times in my VW Syncro and it is a great adventure! I was thinking of doing it again in the fall. Only once did we get stuck, that was in the spring crossing Soda Lake leading into Afton Canyon. The Ranger said the road was not passable due to the rain. We had to back tracked go around the lake bed to Baker. Anyway here is a link to the book, its a great read and a great adventure with lots of history on the road. Mojave Road Guide - An Adventure Through Time and Map: Dennis G Casebier: 9781938072116: Amazon.com: Books
 

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In planning my trip to cross the Mojave Road in my Touareg TDI I found very little info online about some of my questions about desert expedition driving in the Touareg, so I thought I'd post a quick summary/report. Overall, I was very impressed by how the Touareg performed on this route, and look forward to more trips like this. We navigated the trail easily, with no damage to the vehicle. We got a lot of **** along the trail from Jeep people, making fun of us, and telling us to turn around because we wouldn't make it- especially noting that the water crossings would be way too deep for us, and the sand too soft. One guy said it looked like "his wife's vehicle" and would never make it out of there. We got about 12mpg on the trail using low range with the center diff locked almost the whole way, burning only about 10 gallons of fuel total over ~120 miles, out of the 36 gallons we had onboard. We never got stuck on any obstacles. This place is incredibly beautiful and remote.

The Route
We went from the Colorado river, over the Piute Mountains following the Old Cable Road route, and all the way to Afton Canyon campground over 3 days of driving. We bypassed a single obstacle- an incredibly steep hill going into Watson Wash going eastward, where there were deep off camber holes from rock crawlers, but otherwise completed the trail exactly as detailed in Dennis Casebier's guidebook.

Vehicle setup
  • BFG A/T KO2 LT245/70R17 tires aired down to 20psi
  • Ikamper Skycamp roof tent
  • Steel sprung TDI Touareg, stock height (other than 1" lift from the tires alone)
  • Lot's of recovery gear on board that we didn't use at all including straps, recovery boards, chains, hi-lift jack with accessories, and come-a-long
Key obstacles
  • The Piute Mountains were extremely rocky and technical, and we were climbing uphill on 2 wheels for much of the climb. The EDL worked incredibly well, and felt almost like a fully locked setup. We often got out and walked the route before driving obstacles. We kept ESC off the whole time, and the EDL clearly works with it turned off, which seems to be a point of disagreement online. It seemed like the hill descent control worked also with ESC off, in any case, 1st gear low range never required brakes down steep hills
  • The descent into Watson Wash was likely unpassable, and bypassed
  • There was lots of soft deep blow sand on the western part of the trail, which the Touareg easily floated over with low tire pressures, and higher speeds of about 15mph
  • The water crossing in the Afton Canyon near the railroad bridge was roughly 20.5" deep (our rated fording depth with the added tire height) in the shallowest section, which was the north side. We hugged the North side and went about 1-2mph in low range 1st, with a tarp tied over the front grill. We encountered a Jeep (compass?) that had just drowned in the same crossing, and the Jeep Wrangler guys told us to turn back, that there was no chance we could make it. Before crossing we carefully mapped out the bottom of the crossing with a stick marked with our fording depth, and planned our route accordingly. We crossed it easily.
  • With limited ground clearance, we often went very slow, and had to straddle ruts to not scrape the undercarriage
  • We did hit rocks with the plastic skid panels a few times, but didn't get any damage due to slow speeds
Safety
We brought 15 gallons of water, 10 gallons of extra diesel, an entire week of food, a satellite PLB, and a SPOT tracker. It was ill-advised to travel this road alone, but we decided to do so anyways. A friend watched our location from the SPOT tracker, and was prepared to call one of the five off-road towing services in the area if we signaled a need for it via the SPOT tracker.
We did trips like this with Camp Jeep and Jeep Jamborees-we wish VW had something similar
 

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In planning my trip to cross the Mojave Road in my Touareg TDI I found very little info online about some of my questions about desert expedition driving in the Touareg, so I thought I'd post a quick summary/report. Overall, I was very impressed by how the Touareg performed on this route, and look forward to more trips like this. We navigated the trail easily, with no damage to the vehicle. We got a lot of **** along the trail from Jeep people, making fun of us, and telling us to turn around because we wouldn't make it- especially noting that the water crossings would be way too deep for us, and the sand too soft. One guy said it looked like "his wife's vehicle" and would never make it out of there. We got about 12mpg on the trail using low range with the center diff locked almost the whole way, burning only about 10 gallons of fuel total over ~120 miles, out of the 36 gallons we had onboard. We never got stuck on any obstacles. This place is incredibly beautiful and remote.

The Route
We went from the Colorado river, over the Piute Mountains following the Old Cable Road route, and all the way to Afton Canyon campground over 3 days of driving. We bypassed a single obstacle- an incredibly steep hill going into Watson Wash going eastward, where there were deep off camber holes from rock crawlers, but otherwise completed the trail exactly as detailed in Dennis Casebier's guidebook.

Vehicle setup
  • BFG A/T KO2 LT245/70R17 tires aired down to 20psi
  • Ikamper Skycamp roof tent
  • Steel sprung TDI Touareg, stock height (other than 1" lift from the tires alone)
  • Lot's of recovery gear on board that we didn't use at all including straps, recovery boards, chains, hi-lift jack with accessories, and come-a-long
QUESTION: What was your 'philosophy' on disconnecting your sway bars? Would that have helped the 'on two wheels' situation?
 

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Casioqv. Thank you for posting about your adventure. The photos are great too.
springtime is a great time for desert adventures when the foliage begins to bloom.
how do you like your roof tent? Any issues with it?
 

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Casioqv. Thank you for posting about your adventure. The photos are great too.
springtime is a great time for desert adventures when the foliage begins to bloom.
how do you like your roof tent? Any issues with it?
Absolutely no issues, the iKamper skycamp is pretty much the perfect roof tent in my opinion, I had a soft shell in the past and didn't care for it, but this one is really comforable, durable, and truly 1 minute setup. I only wish I had bought the 4 person model instead of the 2, and might sell and trade up.
 

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bummer lol - when I saw this thread bumped I got excited for more action
No excitement, it was that same weird crap you saw in another thread, talking about a long drive down the Mojave etc etc
 
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