The obvious question is - are they running the same pressures as the previous, not just using those set by the tyre fitter ?

I have a theory that tyres rated for winter, ie with 3PMSF marking, will give slightly worse fuel consumption than Summer tyres due to the softer compound and greater number of sipes - this would apply to Winter tyres and All-Season tyres as most of the latter now have the 3PMSF rating, like Michelin CrossClimate 2

 

I never trust what the installers do and always check/fix pressures. So they are set up the same as what I was running.

Your theory is fine, but the Vredesteins were also Grand Touring All Season tires with the 3PMSF. When I purchased them in 2019 I had never heard of the category before. So I believe it is a somewhat apples to apples match-up.

I watched a few Youtube reviews and believed the "less rolling resistance/better fuel economy" line. Now wondering if I should have just gone with a cheaper All Season. I already have a set of Porsche rims with Nokian Hakkapeliitta 8 studded tires for my winter driving (in Montana we have 4 months of winter driving) so seeking out another All Climate tire may have been a mistake.

 

Where did you learn this about Vredestein? Tire Rack still has Vredestein Quatracs for sale

 

Not in truck sizes. Only for 13 through 16" wheels.

 

I don't know either of these tyires, but when I switched from GY OEMs to Michelin LTX the mileage was essentially the same,maybe the LTXs were a little better.
I doubt that the change you have made would create that a large difference. Is the diamiter of the 2 tires different.? Are you on 19in wheels or 20in ?

 

Tire size is 265/50R19.

Believe me I'm shocked at the difference and I'm not happy about it. But I have had 2 refills since they were installed and 3 refills right before to compare with and nothing else has changed. My driving routines, driving style and environment are all as before.

 

Soft tire = increased fuel usage. We have them on our cx-5 since June and now only get an average of 11l per 100k. Before that we were getting 9.5-10.

Best to stick with AS for the summer and winters for the winter IMO.

They have worn quite a bit as well, already worn to 7/32 nds.

I won’t buy these again.

 

So I went back to Costco today (where I purchased the tires last month) and they have a deal with Michelin called "Try and drive for 30 days". I made arrangements to exchange for the Michelin Pilot Sport AS4. I wanted to get Bridgestone Alenza AS Ultra tires instead, but despite what they say Costco's return policy is not as all-encompassing as they advertise.

I did speak with the store manager and he said the policy is "make the member happy" but at least try the suggested Michelins first, then if that doesn't work out...

 

Great news that you were able to switch them. I need new summers next year as my Sumitumos can not be balanced well. I was thinking of getting the Micheline's so I would love to hear a report after a few months. I hope they work out for you.

 

I got these a few months back and have been extremely happy with them. Maybe something you want to consider.

'14 TDI - shoe replacement - Firestone Destination...

Here goes nothing.... I just dropped off my OEM 20s with what appears to be the original Pirellis that came from the factory (based on the '14 date of manufacture on the tire). The Touareg has 150k (km) on it, but I do run a winter setup as well, and I have only owned it since about 100k, so...

www.clubtouareg.com

 

Michelin is a superior tire in every way

 

What do you all think of the Latitude Tour HP?

Chatted with Michelin CS this morning and they said the Pilot Sport AS4 gets similar fuel economy as the CC2 but that the Latitude Tour HP is better.

Want it done just once.

 

Great question. I have used as4 on an AWD car and they're the best car tires I've ever driven. Just fan fricken tastic. That said, I know nothing about them getting placed on a huge, aggressive AWD SUV.

on the other hand, I have zero experience with the latitude tour HP but they're made for SUV and they seem to review well. I would go with the latitude tour HP ASSUMING you don't need a deal scrappy tire and barring the car stays basically on streets and highways with minimal inclement weather.

 

Followup to this, Costco refunded me for the CC2s and sold me a set of the Latitude Tour HP tires and I couldn't be happier. Noise levels are back to great- perhaps the quietest tires I have ever ridden on.

More important to me though is the fuel economy went back to the same as when I was driving on the Vredesteins.

YMMV.

However I am back to driving on my studded tires for winter, so noise levels are up anyway.

 

Some time ago, when I still had my Golf SportWagen 4mo, I fitted DWS shoes on it after I'd had enough of OE Hankook slicks.
DWS tire is, IMHO, the best all-around tire if you value performance/safety in inclement weather.
Fast forward:
A coworker got new CrossClimates put on his GTI and claimed they are the cat's meow.
So we'd improvised a side-by-side test which included on-off-highway ramp maneuver, braking, and acceleration. The advantage my GSW had was 4Mo, but the GTI was lighter on its feet.
And then we switched cars and performed the same "tests" side by side.
The conclusion was that coworker admitted DWS is superior to CrossClimate tire in inclement weather, which was present during our "testing".

P.S
Yes, the MPG was better with Hankook tire, but I've had enough of sliding at 30MPH traversing a roundabout.

The stickier the tire, the higher the rolling resistance, and the higher the fuel consumption as result. Of course, tire pressure plays important role in rolling resistance too.

 

New tires always get worse mpg than worn tires. The rolling resistance from the tall tread blocks. Also, you will actually be going slightly faster with taller new tires. These are primarily the reasons for the mpg difference between old and new tires.

 

I have now 2k miles on Michelin CC2’s replaced Pirelli Scorpion AS (previous generation) on 19” wheels. Driven highway miles, cold mountain driving (snow cleared from the roads), rain and my usual home driving. These are much better than my previous tires. Calmer ride over all surfaces. Very confident and capable handling. Did experience an initial drop in mileage, now there’s no difference. These tires have been the best I’ve tried.

I’ve had 2012 and ‘16 Touareg Diesels and driven them over 200k miles, I’ve never gotten better than 27mpg for a tank of fuel. Just my experience.


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Great input thanks for the follow-up

I've hit 28mpg hand calc TWO TIMES in hundred of fill-ups. Most tanks were 25-26.

 

I share your MPG pain & found your post doing a search something like "low MPG w/[CC2]". You have a lot of company re mpg complaint.
I only buy Michelin, because they "always" do better. Not this time.
CC2 looked great - good winter performance w/o changeover.
2023 Highlander Hybrid went from 34 to 36+ mpg to 30 to 31 mpg. 600 miles on CC2, mixed & highway, no diff. Glad I didn't yet sell OEM Goodyear Eagle Touring (surprisingly good all around thru 11K mi). Especially now I see there are a LOT of CC2 mpg complaints, mine will be returned for credit, Goodyears remounted. I'll buy a Michelin LTX after Goodyear wears out, AFTER checking for problems BEFORE buying. Disappointing CC2s.

 

I have installed a set of CrossClimate2 on my 2019 Tiguan 4Motion, 19” whl, jury still out after 12k miles… but I have installed two sets of Nokian WR-G 3/4 on my 2004 Touareg 17” V6… I have liked the latest set (WR-G4) and have no objections.
One note on Michelin 19” is they have considerably lower profile than the Nokians, which replaced Pirelli Scorpion Verdes.. my two cents

my Touareg gas mileage has always been low, 15mpg … the Tiguan gets 27.5-29+ mpg in combined driving without long distance economies. We monitor every tank.